"Biden's documents are different from Trump's documents"

[BWK]

Not sure what you mean by that since you're the one not making any sense.

Again...

If a president dies without ever telling anyone he declassified a document, how does anyone ever know it was declassified? If someone were to try to gain access to such a document through the FOIA, how could that be granted?

Not sure what you mean by that since you're the one not making any sense.

Again...

If a president dies without ever telling anyone he declassified a document, how does anyone ever know it was declassified? If someone were to try to gain access to such a document through the FOIA, how could that be granted?

I think a dose of logical deductive reasoning did that cat in.

 

[BWK]

Good question.

It's the question this Tahuyman character can't answer.

 

[tahuyaman]

You can't answer. There is no logic in your explanations.

I did answer, you idiot.

 

[tahuyaman]

Your explanation is irrelevant, because it makes zero sense to anyone with a logically functioning brain. Why have a gd document in the first place, when there is no known classification?
Dude, I'm not sure you are playing with a full deck here?

Whether or not it makes sense or doesn’t make sense to you is irrelevant. It is what it is.

No one in government asks you for your input on the issue.

 

[Faun]

Here’s the facts. A president has a very broad authority to de-classify information. He is not required to consult anyone. He is not required to get anyone’s authorization. Nor is he required to tell anyone he did it.

Whether it makes sense to you or makes no sense is irrelevant.

If what you were saying made any sense, you'd simply answer the questions. You can't, which lets me know even you know you're not making sense.

If a president dies without ever telling anyone he declassified a document, how does anyone ever know it was declassified? If someone were to try to gain access to such a document through the FOIA, how could that be granted?

 

[surada]

...I have been seeing a lot of people claiming this, so lets examine the differences.


"Biden's team reported it immediately, unlike Trump"

Correction, Biden's LAWYER who randomly found the documents reported it immediately. Why? Because he is a lawyer who knows that if he didnt do that, he would now be a part of this crime too. He isnt going to take the fall for The Big Guy. He already knows that the Biden's are going to be heavily investigated. He undoubtedly wants no part of that. Also, reporting it now doesnt mean that the crime of taking them in the first place wasnt committed. Admitting to murder doesnt mean you wont get in trouble for it.


"Biden only had 10 documents while Trump had 100"

Trump had a bunch of random stuff, like letters from Kim Jong Un. The amount of documents is irrelevant. Its either a crime to take documents or it isnt. Furthermore, according to CNN, Biden had material with the SCI classification, which is higher than Top Secret. This is the order of classification from lowest to highest... Classified, Secret, Top Secret, SCI. Also, its important to point out that Hillary had HUNDREDS of documents. Way more than Trump.


"Biden didnt know he had them, while Trump did know and he still refused to give them up."

You would have to be a fool to think that Biden didnt know. Aint no one gonna believe that horseshit. Biden also didnt have declassification powers as VP. Trump can declassify at will. I know you democrats will say "nuh uh", but you cant prove my statement wrong beyond that. Worse case scenario is that a legal debate will take place to determine if presidents can do what Trump did, but currently it isnt illegal. Biden taking them however is HIGHLY illegal and it isnt legally debatable.



More differences im seeing are the fact that we knew immediately in real time about Trumps documents. Bidens document scandal was hidden for 2 months. It was hidden right before the midterm elections in fact. I think we can all agree that there isnt a chance in fucking hell that Biden's homes will get raided by the FBI, unlike Trump. Hillary didnt get raided either, nor did Bill Clinton.

I think Trump may have taken the documents because he wanted an ongoing battle and the press it would generate.

 

[Faun]

I did answer, you idiot.

No, you didn't answer. You repeated your nonsensical claim that the president doesn't have to give any indication whatsoever that they declassified a document. That doesn't actually answer either of these questions...

If a president dies without ever telling anyone he declassified a document, how does anyone ever know it was declassified? If someone were to try to gain access to such a document through the FOIA, how could that be granted?​

I'm not asking you does a president have to give any indication to anyone that they declassified a document.

What I am asking you is IF they do that and then die without ever giving any indication they declassified such a document, how does anyone know it was declassified? And since the public has a right to gain access to non-classified material via the FOIA, since such a document would still appear classified, how can the public get access to a declassified document which bears no indication whatsoever that it was declassified?

Here's another question you won't answer... According to you, Reagan might have declassified every document within his reach. But he didn't tell anyone and didn't mark any as unclassified. So again, according to you, the public should be able to access any and every document he ever looked at even though they're still marked up as classified. Why can't we see them?

 

[BWK]

Whether or not it makes sense or doesn’t make sense to you is irrelevant. It is what it is.

No one in government asks you for your input on the issue.

You have not posted an explanation, and you sure as hell have not made any sense. I asked a question for which you have no answer.

Not knowing whether a document was classified or de-classified by an ex-president, has no relationship with logical deductive reasoning. How? Because, without knowing, the document on its face was useless from the beginning. It serves no purpose. What good is a document without knowing its status? Your explanation is beyond nonsensical.

How is any document anywhere useful, without knowing its status?

 

[BWK]

I did answer, you idiot.

What is it?

 

[BWK]

Whether or not it makes sense or doesn’t make sense to you is irrelevant. It is what it is.

No one in government asks you for your input on the issue.

This makes zero sense. You obviously are totally bankrupt when it comes to critical thinking. Something is seriously wrong with your cognitivity. Seek help.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[basquebromance]

 

[jc456]

Great! I'll hold you to it.

Mueller, by his own words, could niether bring charges, nor make accusations against a sitting President, all he can do is clear of charges and state the facts of the case.

He cleared on Part I because he didn't find sufficient evidence and COULD NOT clear Trump on Part 2, which within those confines can only reasonably mean one thing - he found Trump culpable and prosecutable, even though he could not do that against a sitting president.

how did they get Nixon then?

 

[jc456]

Mueller said that he couldn't even accuse.

Why Mueller said he couldn’t indict Trump, explained

The Justice Department has a long-standing policy that prevents federal prosecutors from charging the president with a crime.

www.vox.com

The Justice Department has a long-standing policy that prevents federal prosecutors from charging the president with a crime.

In his report, Mueller did not ultimately charge the president. He made clear during his afternoon testimony that because of the OLC opinion, his team did not even reach a conclusion about “whether the president committed a crime.”

then how did they get Nixon? What about Clinton?

 

[jc456]

Should I check my brain in and just take your good word for it?

I really don't know what you think you are accomplishing with these empty denials.

you could read

 

[jc456]

At a minimum Biden needs to lose his security clearance.

He has definitely proven beyond any doubt that he has no regard for OPSEC.

he doesn't have security clearance as president.

 

[jc456]

...? Wtf? It was Biden's attorneys that notfied NA about finding improperly stored classified documents and immedeatey turned them in.


Nov. 2: Mr. Biden’s lawyers discovered a “small number” of classified documents in what the White House has described as a locked closet for an office Mr. Biden had used at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, a think tank in Washington. The administration said it reported this discovery to the National Archives that day.

Nov. 3: The National Archives retrieved the materials from the closet, according to the administration.

Nov. 4: Archives officials referred the matter to the Justice Department.

Nov. 14: Mr. Garland selected John R. Lausch Jr., the U.S. attorney in Chicago, to conduct a preliminary assessment of the material to determine whether a special counsel was needed.

Timeline of the Biden Documents Case: What We Know So Far (Published 2023)

More details have emerged about the discovery of classified files associated with President Biden.

www.nytimes.com

why were lawyers looking for classified docs?

 

[jc456]

Fact? Do you even know what that word means?

There are no facts publicly available about who handled those documents and how they ended up in that storage.

There will absolutely be some facts on that, so just stop running your mouth for now and eat some popcorn.


Finally, to cover consistency, how do you describe Trump's very intentional retention of classified presidential records and refusing to turn them in? It's blatant, shameless stealing, right?

who put them there? Xiden hasn't said bullshit to them being there at all. That implies intent.

There is but one question, why are they there?

 

[Faun]

No, you didn't answer. You repeated your nonsensical claim that the president doesn't have to give any indication whatsoever that they declassified a document. That doesn't actually answer either of these questions...

If a president dies without ever telling anyone he declassified a document, how does anyone ever know it was declassified? If someone were to try to gain access to such a document through the FOIA, how could that be granted?​

I'm not asking you does a president have to give any indication to anyone that they declassified a document.

What I am asking you is IF they do that and then die without ever giving any indication they declassified such a document, how does anyone know it was declassified? And since the public has a right to gain access to non-classified material via the FOIA, since such a document would still appear classified, how can the public get access to a declassified document which bears no indication whatsoever that it was declassified?

Here's another question you won't answer... According to you, Reagan might have declassified every document within his reach. But he didn't tell anyone and didn't mark any as unclassified. So again, according to you, the public should be able to access any and every document he ever looked at even though they're still marked up as classified. Why can't we see them?

Unfortunately, it appears tahuyaman ran away from answering this. Can't say I'm really surprised.

 

[Faun]

how did they get Nixon then?

Who got him and what did "they" get?