Biden Proposing 5% Cap on Housing Rents

[protectionist]

So you want the Government to intervene and strip out the profits of an industry so that you can sell your worthless paintings?

I didnt say "strip out", you did. As for my paintings, the envy is bursting out of every inch of you. I would guess you are just as envious of my extensive musical abilities, playing various instruments, and my teaching business.

Robert Emanuel Follett

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Not a problem. All you need do is get up off that couch, buy some musical instruments, and some art materials, and get to WORK.

And what I "want" is the AMERICAN PEOPLE to intervene in a "government of the people" to stop rogue landlords (who you should be more concerned about than the govt) from destroying millions of peoples' lives and the US economy. Got it ?

 

[Hum Dinger]

All residential properties should be converted to Condos.

Renters should gain equity in their apartments with every monthly payment.

 

[protectionist]

You are lost. Yes, that is exactly how for-profit business works.

As I said > unless you are a worthless trashbag who dumps his problems on others.
IOW, it is a WRONG way of doing things. In general, in life, if you have problems (ex. cost increases) YOU deal wth them, not hand them over to others, like some spoiled brat landlords are doing right now.

 

[protectionist]

This is the free market at work. Democrats coming from high rent areas moved to FL. They have driven up the costs of rents and real estate. Existing home owners are selling their homes for huge profits because the market will bear it. My state has the same issue. Real estate AND rents have gone up tremendously in the last 4 years due to an influx of people moving from very high cost of living blue states to my state. Would it be greedy of me to sell my rental properties now before rent control policies take over so I can get top dollar for them or would that just be a smart business move?

Perfect example of why THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the lunatics from wrecking the whole country. I have less and less regard for the "free market" with every passing day,

Should entrepreneurs be "free" to sell anything, at any cost, in any way ? Ford Pintos ? Vioxx ? The cheap construction materials that cause buildings to collapse ? Books advocating LGBT craziness ?...etc. etc,

 

[dblack]

OK. Then rent control has nothing to do with th Constitution.

You're a moron. The Constitution doesn't grant government the power to control rents.

 

[protectionist]

Don't you realize that if you take your profits he wont be able to sell his paintings? WTF is wrong with you?

Don't you realize ?....that if you gouge renters with ludicrously high rents, (and mortgages too expensive too), that tens of Millions of business owners won't be able to sell their TV sets, laptops, cell phones, furniture, cars, bicycles, boats, sporting goods, musical instruments, air purifiers, home improvement supplies, plants, books, pet supplies, jewelry, cooking equipment, refrigerators. stoves, microwaves, lawnmowers, housewares. blankets, clocks, and yeah paintings, etc. etc

 

[Couchpotato]

Don't you realize ?....that if you gouge renters with ludicrously high rents, (and mortgages too expensive too), that tens of Millions of business owners won't be able to sell their TV sets, laptops, cell phones, furniture, cars, bicycles, boats, sporting goods, musical instruments, air purifiers, home improvement supplies, plants, books, pet supplies, jewelry, cooking equipment, refrigerators. stoves, microwaves, lawnmowers, housewares. blankets, clocks, and yeah paintings, etc. et

I not sure how we can make this any clearer. It's not the Government's job. If those things aren't purchased, oh well. Why do you think that people who own property should be forced to take less money so that the person selling TV's can make more? Or sporting goods or musical instruments? Or any other commodity. The market will do a better job leveling this out faster if only people like you would just get the **** out of it's way. If you cant afford rent you have many choices. Get a roommate. Move in with family. Move to a place that has lower cost of living. Get 2 roommates . Get 3 roommates. At some point (pretty quickly) when those that own these places arent renting them they will lower the rent because empty rentals dont make any money, and people will be able to decide whether that price is low enough or not and the market will continue to adjust.

 

[Couchpotato]

I didnt say "strip out", you did. As for my paintings, the envy is bursting out of every inch of you. I would guess you are just as envious of my extensive musical abilities, playing various instruments, and my teaching business.

yeah I envy the guy that needs the Government to come and cap rents so he's not homeless next week.

Robert Emanuel Follett

Videos of Robert E. Follett playing Violin, Fiddle, Mandolin, Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, and Harmonica, in various genres of music - Classic Rock, Bluegrass, Blues, Popular songs, American, Irish, Italian & Mexican/Spanish folk songs.

www.youtube.com

Not a problem. All you need do is get up off that couch, buy some musical instruments, and some art materials, and get to WORK.

I dont want to play an instrument or I would. I can't think of many other more pointless endeavors. What I 100% wouldn't do is ask the Government to force you to cap what someone was willing to pay you for your ability to paint or play an instrument.

And what I "want" is the AMERICAN PEOPLE to intervene in a "government of the people" to stop rogue landlords (who you should be more concerned about than the govt) from destroying millions of peoples' lives and the US economy. Got it ?

Amend the Constitution then dum dum.

 

[protectionist]

You're a moron. The Constitution doesn't grant government the power to control rents.

HA HA. To take legal action, the PEOPLE don't NEED to have the Constitution grant power to them for it. Thousands of laws exist which are not connected with the Constitution.

Even the Supremacy Clause (which I often mention in discussions about Islam) says "This Constitution, and the Laws of th United States....Shall be the Supreme Law of the Land."

I not sure how we can make this any clearer. It's not the Government's job. If those things aren't purchased, oh well. Why do you think that people who own property should be forced to take less money so that the person selling TV's can make more? Or sporting goods or musical instruments? Or any other commodity. The market will do a better job leveling this out faster if only people like you would just get the **** out of it's way. If you cant afford rent you have many choices. Get a roommate. Move in with family. Move to a place that has lower cost of living. Get 2 roommates . Get 3 roommates. At some point (pretty quickly) when those that own these places arent renting them they will lower the rent because empty rentals dont make any money, and people will be able to decide whether that price is low enough or not and the market will continue to adjust.

Uh huh. So everybody should make concessions > "Get a roommate. Move in with family. Move to a place that has lower cost of living. Get 2 roommates . Get 3 roommates."

But not rent gouging landlords. Oh heavens, no. They must be allowed to just steamroll right over everybody, imposing extreme rents that take awy all the money people have, or more thn they have, forcing thm out of their homes. And taking away all their spending money, thereby killing all the businesses that depend on that money for sales.

It most certainly IS the government's job. It is the government's #1 responsibility - to PROTECT the people, and these days, there is nothing the people need to be protected from more than soaring rental rates.
And these soaring rental rates, kicking people out of their homes where they've lived for decades, and putting thousands of businesses out of business, or got their sales plummeting, are outside the realm of normal
market forces.

Housing is a specialized product that is in a category that only very few products are in. It is a necessity that people HAVE TO HAVE. It is also far more expensive than other products. The bell-shaped curve of prices vs business income is very different from ordinary products. With those products, people stop buying when it suits them, but with housing, being a dire necessity, people continue to buy (pay rent) long after they are dissatisfied with the price.

Malicious landlords knowing this, raise their rents to maximum levels leaving renters without any spending money, and businesses without any sales and customers. Landlords have completely shown that they can't be trusted to keep these specialized costs down to where consumers can consume, and businesses can sell.

 

[dblack]

HA HA. To take legal action, the PEOPLE don't NEED to have the Constitution grant power to them for it.

Uh, yeah. They do. That's the entire point of constitutionally limited government.

Thousands of laws exist which are not connected with the Constitution.

I don't know about "thousands", but it's way too many.

Dude, you need to just admit you're a socialist and drop the "I'm a conservative" schtick.

 

[protectionist]

yeah I envy the guy that needs the Government to come and cap rents so he's not homeless next week.

I dont want to play an instrument or I would. I can't think of many other more pointless endeavors. What I 100% wouldn't do is ask the Government to force you to cap what someone was willing to pay you for your ability to paint or play an instrument.


Amend the Constitution then dum dum.

You are envious, and wish you had an art gallery of 55 items as I do. Likewise, you wish you could play 5 musical instruments likae I do, and 90% of Americans would not call that "pointless".
What you fail to recognize is that you very likely CAN do all of what I've done in these artistic endeavors, but being the couch potato that you are, you're just too lazy to DO IT.

And the government would not cap my prices on paintings or music lessons, because they a nice but not necessary, as is housing.

The Constitution doesnt need any amending.

 

[protectionist]

Uh, yeah. They do. That's the entire point of constitutionally limited government.

I don't know about "thousands", but it's way too many.

Dude, you need to just admit you're a socialist and drop the "I'm a conservative" schtick.

You need to admit that you are in direct opposition to the interests of 100+ business owners & stockholders, making you something FAR from being a conservative.
You also need to stop absurdly calling me a socialist, just because of one reform to ONE business type, wrecking all other businesses in America. When everyone in this forum has seen my very conservative postings for 10 years, saying that I'm a socialist, just makes you look ridiculous.

One last question. Are you landlord, or affiliated ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are envious, and wish you had an art gallery of 55 items as I do. Likewise, you wish you could play 5 musical instruments likae I do, and 90% of Americans would not call that "pointless".
What you fail to recognize is that you very likely CAN do all of what I've done in these artistic endeavors, but being the couch potato that you are, you're just too lazy to DO IT.

And the government would not cap my prices on paintings or music lessons, because they a nice but not necessary, as is housing.

The Constitution doesnt need any amending.

Pointless crybaby.

 

[dblack]

You need to admit that you are in direct opposition to the interests of 100+ business owners & stockholders, making you something FAR from being a conservative.
You also need to stop absurdly calling me a socialist, just because of one reform to ONE business type, wrecking all other businesses in America. When everyone in this forum has seen my very conservative postings for 10 years, saying that I'm a socialist, just makes you look ridiculous.

One last question. Are you landlord, or affiliated ?

No. Like you, I rent. I just don't whine about it.

 

[SweetTea]

And the government would not cap my prices on paintings or music lessons, because they a nice but not necessary, as is housing.

Should food prices be capped?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Should food prices be capped?

His commie whining should be capped.

 

[Couchpotato]

You need to admit that you are in direct opposition to the interests of 100+ business owners & stockholders, making you something FAR from being a conservative.
You also need to stop absurdly calling me a socialist, just because of one reform to ONE business type, wrecking all other businesses in America. When everyone in this forum has seen my very conservative postings for 10 years, saying that I'm a socialist, just makes you look ridiculous.

One last question. Are you landlord, or affiliated ?

Why should only rents be capped? Why not cars? Or the prices of houses in general? Food? Clothing? Paintings.....??? The logic you are applying to rents can easily be applied to all other commodities/services. If X thing costs less people could use that money to buy Y thing.

 

[SweetTea]

Why should only rents be capped? Why not cars? Or the prices of houses in general? Food? Clothing? Paintings.....??? The logic you are applying to rents can easily be applied to all other commodities/services. If X thing costs less people could use that money to buy Y thing.

Yeah, this guys says he is a Republican but he thinks, if you can even call it that, just like a Democrat. Very short-sighted and illogical.

 

[Couchpotato]

Uh huh. So everybody should make concessions > "Get a roommate. Move in with family. Move to a place that has lower cost of living. Get 2 roommates . Get 3 roommates."

But not rent gouging landlords. Oh heavens, no. They must be allowed to just steamroll right over everybody, imposing extreme rents that take awy all the money people have, or more thn they have, forcing thm out of their homes. And taking away all their spending money, thereby killing all the businesses that depend on that money for sales.

The landlords will have to make concessions just not at the point of a gun. The difference between how you want to solve this issue and how I want to do it is that my way doesnt involve force.

It most certainly IS the government's job. It is the government's #1 responsibility - to PROTECT the people, and these days, there is nothing the people need to be protected from more than soaring rental rates.

Quote the part of the Constitution which grants the Federal Government the power to do this or anything even remotely akin to this.

And these soaring rental rates, kicking people out of their homes where they've lived for decades, and putting thousands of businesses out of business, or got their sales plummeting, are outside the realm of normal market forces.

Are you sure you taught economics?

Housing is a specialized product that is in a category that only very few products are in. It is a necessity that people HAVE TO HAVE. It is also far more expensive than other products. The bell-shaped curve of prices vs business income is very different from ordinary products. With those products, people stop buying when it suits them, but with housing, being a dire necessity, people continue to buy (pay rent) long after they are dissatisfied with the price.

People choose to keep paying higher rent because they would rather do that than make any sacrifice in order to lower that cost. This is the problem. People like you think you are entitled to some standard of living and that the Government should be used in order to enforce it. You are wrong.

Malicious landlords knowing this, raise their rents to maximum levels leaving renters without any spending money, and businesses without any sales and customers. Landlords have completely shown that they can't be trusted to keep these specialized costs down to where consumers can consume, and businesses can sell.

See above. You're just a whiny *****.

 

[SweetTea]

And these soaring rental rates, kicking people out of their homes where they've lived for decades, and putting thousands of businesses out of business, or got their sales plummeting, are outside the realm of normal
market forces.

Please explain how this is outside the realm of market forces. All housing costs are most certainly within the realm of market forces.