Biden: On day one, I’ll send a bill to Congress creating a clear roadmap to citizenship for Dreamers and the 11 million undocumented people

[Ray From Cleveland]

A better analogy though would be that you have a house. Someone trespasses. Then they show up at dinner and demand their allowance and for a place to sleep

A better analogy is someone shows up at your house, trespasses and cuts your lawn

Right. If I looked outside and seen anybody cutting my lawn that I didn't know, the cops would be here in five minutes to haul them to jail.

 

[BrokeLoser]

A better analogy though would be that you have a house. Someone trespasses. Then they show up at dinner and demand their allowance and for a place to sleep

A better analogy is someone shows up at your house, trespasses and cuts your lawn

A better analogy is someone BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE....steals cash from your wallet, refuses to leave when ask them go and FORCES you to pay for their litters of children.

 

[pknopp]

They are at best temporary. Trump is completely unable to do anything permanent because he simply does not have the ability. He believes calling people names is how you compromise to get something done. Even if he wins nothing will get done but that is what you will vote for.

Yes, they will be temporary until another Democrat gets in there to reverse them. That's the point. Trump is nominating hundreds of judges to replace the ones that get in our way of making change. If Biden gets in, his choices in justices will be pro-immigrant among other things.

This is why the Democrats are so upset with the wall. You are correct, they can get in and change policy, but they cannot takedown that wall. Again, when it comes to supporting or being against the illegals, you only have two choices, because voting third party is just throwing your vote in the garbage can.

Obama and Hillary both voted for funding for the wall. Obama deported millions. Obama was first with the cages.

Obama deported millions because GW was also weak on the border, and changed the definition of deportation. His numbers were dismal and he wanted to beef them up for the record. GW's sister-in-law (Jeb's wife) is a Mexican immigrant.

Obama's deportation record: inside the numbers | CNN Politics

A record number of people were deported from the United States last year, federal officials announced Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

All the same you agree Obama deported millions despite his campaign rhetoric but you somehow think Biden will somehow be different.

No, I said his numbers are fudged. He didn't deport more than anybody else.

I'm done. I try and try and try and you simply can not be honest. I never argued he deported more than anyone else but even if he didn't he gave the number a good run. I said he deported millions.

 

[Claudette]

They are at best temporary. Trump is completely unable to do anything permanent because he simply does not have the ability. He believes calling people names is how you compromise to get something done. Even if he wins nothing will get done but that is what you will vote for.

Yes, they will be temporary until another Democrat gets in there to reverse them. That's the point. Trump is nominating hundreds of judges to replace the ones that get in our way of making change. If Biden gets in, his choices in justices will be pro-immigrant among other things.

This is why the Democrats are so upset with the wall. You are correct, they can get in and change policy, but they cannot takedown that wall. Again, when it comes to supporting or being against the illegals, you only have two choices, because voting third party is just throwing your vote in the garbage can.

Obama and Hillary both voted for funding for the wall. Obama deported millions. Obama was first with the cages.

Obama deported millions because GW was also weak on the border, and changed the definition of deportation. His numbers were dismal and he wanted to beef them up for the record. GW's sister-in-law (Jeb's wife) is a Mexican immigrant.

Obama's deportation record: inside the numbers | CNN Politics

A record number of people were deported from the United States last year, federal officials announced Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

All the same you agree Obama deported millions despite his campaign rhetoric but you somehow think Biden will somehow be different.

No, I said his numbers are fudged. He didn't deport more than anybody else. Deportation used to be considered getting an illegal, taking them to court, and the judge ruled the person be deported. After GW made the change, stopping them at the border and telling them to turn around and go home was considered a deportation.

The link I posted was from CNN, and even they admit the numbers are phony. Remember that it was DumBama who took Arizona to court to stop them from arresting illegals simply for being illegal. Again, the courts decided against the state and for him.

You bet your ass his numbers were fudged. And his case against Arizona was another glimpse of what a socialist asshole he was.

How the hell a court could side with him is beyond me. Illegals are breaking the law. Must have been a Judge he put in office. Dumbass.

They decided that immigration problems are a federal issue, not a state one. In other words, each and every state cannot create their own immigration policy. I'm sure they knew that in Arizona too, but they were desperate because DumBama wasn't doing anything to help them with their gang problems, their human slavery problems, their kidnappings.

Seems to me illegals are a Fed problem since they can be found all over America.

 

[pknopp]

Thanks Joe, for making the contrast with Trump even more clearer. Rewarding criminality: It’s the Democrat way.

Reminds me of the Dim Debates:

Those here illegally are working to process our food. They work caring for our children. Why would you not want to make sure they are healthy and could see a doctor when they get sick?

And don't answer that you want to see them gone. You do not.

Jesus what an idiot you are. They are here illegally. What part of the word ILLEGAL do you not under stand?? These illegals cost we the tax payers billions each year. Oh and most American DO want to see them gone.

Then why aren't they?

I couldn't care less about their health. If they want free medical care let them go back to Mexico.

You aren't worth talking to and I'd bet everyone you've had contact with feels the same. Take your bullshit and shove it up your stupid ass.

The truth hurts doesn't it? We know there are millions and millions working here illegally and we know where they work. There are documentaries noting where they work. Why aren't those places being raided and the illegals arrested and the owners arrested? You'll make all kinds of excuses but you know the truth.

Trump hasn't done a single raid on his own. This is how you get rid of illegals? You know very well what will happen if he tried. So you get mad at people like myself who point out the truth rather than those who lie to you.

The only truth I see is that you are an idiot and don't know what the word ILLEGAL means.

What a meathead you are.

Did I deny they were here illegally? Did I not say they were? I stated why they still are here and rather than address those facts, you feel this need to attack me.

Of course they are still here. As fast as ICE removed them, they come back.

Their jobs are waiting on them. Why wouldn't they come back?

We should start shooting them as they come across the border. Kill a few. The rest will get the message and our illegal problem will be over.

No it won't. You have to resort to criminal hyperbole because you refuse to address the politicians that lie to you. It's a syndrome with you. You simply can't break from those who lie to you.

LMAO no one needs to lie.

Everyone knows these illegals are sent back time after time and come back. No lying there. They continually break the law to get back in the US.

Everyone but YOU seems to know that.

He lied to you. You believe the guy that hired illegals? Why did he hire illegals? They will work cheap. He still wants that. His financial backers still want that. You still want that.
They come back for their job. I never argued they didn't come back. I'd come back also.

As I said. Shoot a few. The rest would get the message and we wouldn't have an illegal problem in this country.

To do that they would have to make it a felony to come into the US illegally. Don't hold your breath for that to happen.

Solutions that are never going to happen are not solutions.

But if that is all you are left with it should tell you something.

Of course it won't happen but it is the best solution.

The Dems love illegals and don't give a rats ass how many billions of our tax dollars go to support their illegal asses.

If you want change as I do, vote for Trump and vote Rep to get the House back. If not you will have more of the same.

We all love illegals which is why they are here by the millions, will continue to come and remain here.

Trump had the House and Senate and did nothing.

“We all love illegals which is why they are here by the millions”

“We all” just elected a game show host to the highest office for one reason.....his ‘ILLEGALS RUIN AMERICA’ platform.
I’m curious, what makes you think that Americans love trespassers, those with complete disregard for our sovereignty, those who steal citizenships for their offspring? How do Americans benefit by the presence of illegals, what is the positive yield from illegals?

 

[kaz]

A better analogy though would be that you have a house. Someone trespasses. Then they show up at dinner and demand their allowance and for a place to sleep

A better analogy is someone shows up at your house, trespasses and cuts your lawn

Really? So trespassers getting free government education, free medical coverage and other welfare is like cutting your lawn?

You really are an idiot. Not just a pretend one on message boards. The real thing.

BTW, we could have legal immigration that solves cutting the lawn without letting in the welfare cheats

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They are at best temporary. Trump is completely unable to do anything permanent because he simply does not have the ability. He believes calling people names is how you compromise to get something done. Even if he wins nothing will get done but that is what you will vote for.

Yes, they will be temporary until another Democrat gets in there to reverse them. That's the point. Trump is nominating hundreds of judges to replace the ones that get in our way of making change. If Biden gets in, his choices in justices will be pro-immigrant among other things.

This is why the Democrats are so upset with the wall. You are correct, they can get in and change policy, but they cannot takedown that wall. Again, when it comes to supporting or being against the illegals, you only have two choices, because voting third party is just throwing your vote in the garbage can.

Obama and Hillary both voted for funding for the wall. Obama deported millions. Obama was first with the cages.

Obama deported millions because GW was also weak on the border, and changed the definition of deportation. His numbers were dismal and he wanted to beef them up for the record. GW's sister-in-law (Jeb's wife) is a Mexican immigrant.

Obama's deportation record: inside the numbers | CNN Politics

A record number of people were deported from the United States last year, federal officials announced Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

All the same you agree Obama deported millions despite his campaign rhetoric but you somehow think Biden will somehow be different.

No, I said his numbers are fudged. He didn't deport more than anybody else. Deportation used to be considered getting an illegal, taking them to court, and the judge ruled the person be deported. After GW made the change, stopping them at the border and telling them to turn around and go home was considered a deportation.

The link I posted was from CNN, and even they admit the numbers are phony. Remember that it was DumBama who took Arizona to court to stop them from arresting illegals simply for being illegal. Again, the courts decided against the state and for him.

You bet your ass his numbers were fudged. And his case against Arizona was another glimpse of what a socialist asshole he was.

How the hell a court could side with him is beyond me. Illegals are breaking the law. Must have been a Judge he put in office. Dumbass.

They decided that immigration problems are a federal issue, not a state one. In other words, each and every state cannot create their own immigration policy. I'm sure they knew that in Arizona too, but they were desperate because DumBama wasn't doing anything to help them with their gang problems, their human slavery problems, their kidnappings.

Seems to me illegals are a Fed problem since they can be found all over America.

That's what they ruled. But it's not really a federal problem. If CA is letting them sneak in, and they make their way to my state in Ohio, it becomes our problem as well. Or if an illegal with a NY drivers license travels to my state which they can do since all drivers licenses are recognized by all other states. I don't want them driving here, especially if they can't read the Fn signs.

 

[kaz]

They decided that immigration problems are a federal issue, not a state one. In other words, each and every state cannot create their own immigration policy. I'm sure they knew that in Arizona too, but they were desperate because DumBama wasn't doing anything to help them with their gang problems, their human slavery problems, their kidnappings.

Seems to me illegals are a Fed problem since they can be found all over America.

Immigration is also Constitutionally a Federal power

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They are at best temporary. Trump is completely unable to do anything permanent because he simply does not have the ability. He believes calling people names is how you compromise to get something done. Even if he wins nothing will get done but that is what you will vote for.

Yes, they will be temporary until another Democrat gets in there to reverse them. That's the point. Trump is nominating hundreds of judges to replace the ones that get in our way of making change. If Biden gets in, his choices in justices will be pro-immigrant among other things.

This is why the Democrats are so upset with the wall. You are correct, they can get in and change policy, but they cannot takedown that wall. Again, when it comes to supporting or being against the illegals, you only have two choices, because voting third party is just throwing your vote in the garbage can.

Obama and Hillary both voted for funding for the wall. Obama deported millions. Obama was first with the cages.

Obama deported millions because GW was also weak on the border, and changed the definition of deportation. His numbers were dismal and he wanted to beef them up for the record. GW's sister-in-law (Jeb's wife) is a Mexican immigrant.

Obama's deportation record: inside the numbers | CNN Politics

A record number of people were deported from the United States last year, federal officials announced Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

All the same you agree Obama deported millions despite his campaign rhetoric but you somehow think Biden will somehow be different.

No, I said his numbers are fudged. He didn't deport more than anybody else.

I'm done. I try and try and try and you simply can not be honest. I never argued he deported more than anyone else but even if he didn't he gave the number a good run. I said he deported millions.

The problem is no President deports anybody. It goes on under all administrations unless somebody creates a new policy in which to deport more like Trump has done. Same thing with workplace raids. The President doesn't know anything about them. Trump doesn't tell ICE to raid X company, and when ICE does make plans to do those raids, they don't call the White House first.

 

[rightwinger]

A better analogy though would be that you have a house. Someone trespasses. Then they show up at dinner and demand their allowance and for a place to sleep

A better analogy is someone shows up at your house, trespasses and cuts your lawn

Right. If I looked outside and seen anybody cutting my lawn that I didn't know, the cops would be here in five minutes to haul them to jail.

Keep you safe from some guy cutting your lawn

 

[rightwinger]

Really? So trespassers getting free government education, free medical coverage and other welfare is like cutting your lawn?

Doesn’t work
They put more in than they take out.

They work for below market wages with no benefits

 

[Claudette]

A better analogy though would be that you have a house. Someone trespasses. Then they show up at dinner and demand their allowance and for a place to sleep

A better analogy is someone shows up at your house, trespasses and cuts your lawn

Right. If I looked outside and seen anybody cutting my lawn that I didn't know, the cops would be here in five minutes to haul them to jail.

Keep you safe from some guy cutting your lawn

I cut my own lawn but I'd bet you don't. You have one of those illegals to do your landscaping.

 

[rightwinger]

The guy cutting my lawn doesn’t have proper documentation


Somebody build a wall to protect me!

 

[Claudette]

Really? So trespassers getting free government education, free medical coverage and other welfare is like cutting your lawn?

Doesn’t work
They put more in than they take out.

They work for below market wages with no benefits

LMAO They put more in?? Tell us about their free medical care. Tell us about their kids being educated in out schools. Tell us about all the money they send back to Mexico.

They work for whoever pays them and those that do employ them should face the full extent of the law.

 

[rightwinger]

I cut my own lawn but I'd bet you don't. You have one of those illegals to do your landscaping.

That would be Trump

 

[Claudette]

The guy cutting my lawn doesn’t have proper documentation


Somebody build a wall to protect me!

Nah. Lets just wait for him to rob or murder you.

 

[rightwinger]

LMAO They put more in?? Tell us about their free medical care. Tell us about their kids being educated in out schools. Tell us about all the money they send back to Mexico.

They are being screwed by our system working for low wages without benefits or worker protections.

Anyone who works is free to send their money anywhere they please. It is their money not yours

 

[kaz]

Really? So trespassers getting free government education, free medical coverage and other welfare is like cutting your lawn?

Doesn’t work
They put more in than they take out.

They work for below market wages with no benefits

1) You made that up

2) We could have the upside of having them come in and do those jobs anyway without the downside by ending illegal immigration and replacing it with a legal system. We can't start letting in people legally when we're drowning in illegals.

3) It's a totally racist policy to let in endless illegals. Our own poor need those jobs, and our own poor are disproportionately black and minority. You keep them in poverty by having their jobs done by people who will do it for nothing

4) You're the one who demands the minimum wage for legals, then you support illegals because the minimum wage is too high.

Democrats just stink to high heaven on this

 

[rightwinger]

Nah. Lets just wait for him to rob or murder you.

I hear some of them are good people

 

[Claudette]

LMAO They put more in?? Tell us about their free medical care. Tell us about their kids being educated in out schools. Tell us about all the money they send back to Mexico.

They are being screwed by our system working for low wages without benefits or worker protections.

Anyone who works is free to send their money anywhere they please. It is their money not yours

They can't be getting that screwed cause they keep coming back. Oh and maybe if they hung onto that money it wouldn't coast we the tax payer so much to bankroll their lives. We spend billions. With a B.