Biden, America, Russia, Ukraine-can we go through World War Three standing on our heads? Washington thinks it can.

[Manonthestreet]

Fail.

just the facts

 

[Manonthestreet]

That’s only your opinion. I suggest the Republicans get their house in order, because I don’t see the midterms going as well for them as they think. Biden isn’t on the ballot, so candidates are going to have to stand on their own records and explain their actions regarding 1/6 and giving “aid and comfort“ to Russia.

our house.....LLMMAOOOO,,,,you have a raging dumpster fire going on across the whole country on multiple issues

 

[konradv]

our house.....LLMMAOOOO,,,,you have a raging dumpster fire going on across the whole country on multiple issues

That’s got months to resolve, but 1/6 clips and statements supporting Putin aren’t going away. Good luck with that “dumpster fire”. I’m thinking the only fire that means anything is the one I’m going to light to roast some celebratory marshmallows!

 

[Turtlesoup]

Here's the root issue. Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO because they don't want American missiles pointed at them just like we didn't want Soviet missiles pointed at us from Cuba.

So they are going to invade, conquer, and steal Ukraine making Ukraine part of Russia again with their neighbors pointing missiles at Russia including ukraine.

What a crock of shit.

 

[Turtlesoup]

I noticed the farmers don't need hundreds of billions of dollars in support from Trump's failed trade war and the massive increase of taxation via tariffs.

1) The farmers get aid every year--Trump or no Trump
2) Trump's trade wars hurt China far far worse than they did us---China is using the money they make off the US to harm everyone else in the world including us. The money spent by Trump on the Farmers was well worth it to knock China down.
3) CHINA, Iran, Fat kim Korea, and Russia make up the new axis of evil and they are lining up to take chunks out of us---fighting them in the pocketbook saves lives.

 

[miketx]

So they are going to invade, conquer, and steal Ukraine making Ukraine part of Russia again with their neighbors pointing missiles at Russia including ukraine.

What a crock of shit.

Well, I am of the mind that if you have one guy or so pointing a gun at you, why let another join them?

 

[PinktheFloyd88]

Here's the root issue. Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO because they don't want American missiles pointed at them just like we didn't want Soviet missiles pointed at us from Cuba.

Nobody cares what Russia wants. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, they can. Take your Russian defense and propaganda elsewhere.

 

[Esdraelon]

And once again, MAGA world just makes stuff up to scare itself and each other.

Fair enough. Care to explain how you believe the situation will play out if Putin's forces are pushed out of Ukraine, or, if a no-fly zone is demanded after some sort of chemical weapons use?

 

[Esdraelon]

Biden didn’t win because of how good he is, but because of how bad Trump was. If the Republicans want to win, they need to find candidates with fewer mental issues.

Uh huh... I predict it will be YOU folks on the Left that lose their damned minds and take the country into armed conflict if Trump even runs again. The media is already building that firewall. They KNOW he will win if he runs and they simply will not allow it without a fight.

 

[AMart]

There are people walking the streets of America today that believe Joe Biden’s oratory skills and intellect got him more votes than any candidate in Earth’s history. They believe it because Washington propaganda bolstered by fellow traveling media, told them to believe it. They went to bed on election eve with Donald firmly in the lead and got up the next morning faced with the bizarre outcome of a Biden victory after fraudulent mail-in votes stacked ceiling high were counted. They swallowed it because they had been propagandized by a crazy, concocted scenario that Trump was a Russian spy and they wanted that result due to a drooling fear that Trump was monster of cartoon proportions. It worked and today we are a heartbeat away from World War Three.

The flashpoint is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine which is the inevitable manifestation of a nuclear power exploiting competitive weakness creating a vacuum that can easily be filled with minor consequences. Vladimir Putin’s dreams of restoring the former Soviet republic are irrelevant; everything the Soviet Union stood for is alive and well on American college campuses from coast to coast and has been for decades. Ronald Reagan won an economic battle in 1989 but the Soviets had already won the ideological war with Lyndon Jonhson’s Great Society in 1965.

In 2016 there were still enough people in the US to reject the Soviet way of installing intellectual elites in power and trashing the people with central planning. That is how Donald Trump won the White House. But as soon as Trump took office Washington and America’s corrupt power structure led by Washington and manned by the US educational system, swore publicly that they would take Trump out. These traitors used US intelligence agencies in place to monitor foreign enemies as a political tool to smear a US president with ridiculous false charges of treason and collusion.

The real reason Trump had to go was that he was not a Washington insider, and he was leading a repudiation of Washington politics that was selling out the American people to corporate globalization that was world communism disguised as capitalist democracy. Big Pharma, led by Anthony Fauci had already brought about the release of a plague and connecting the dots of biological weapons labs in Ukraine will almost certainly lead right back to Big Pharma and Fauci.

Neocons in Wahington believe the US can withstand a nuclear war because they have shelters to wait it out. Do you?

Excellent post, 100% accurate.

 

[Esdraelon]

They just can't get that through their heads.

Not so. The real issue is that YOU people think that just because your media verifies your beliefs, it means the rest of us MUST comply. All I can say is, try it again and see where it takes us all.

 

[B. Kidd]

And once again, MAGA world just makes stuff up to scare itself and each other.

Thank God that you don't have a shelter.

 

[Esdraelon]

Nobody cares what Russia wants.

If you actually believe it's worth risking our country to make it possible for Ukraine to be in NATO then you aren't very bright, IMO. Do you really believe Putin will just walk away? Do you think he couldn't possibly use a low-yield nuke or two in Ukraine? An airburst with a 1-5 KT weapon would instantly neutralize a city like Kyiv or Kharkiv and there would be minimal fallout.

IMO, and I've been watching this drama since the late 60s, the moment Putin decided to change the nuclear doctrine for Russia in 2000, he set the stage for a war in Europe that would see nukes detonated. He acknowledged the reality that Russia alone could not hope to match NATO in conventional terms so he began building newer, lower-yield bombs. They have a 10:1 superiority over the west in that class of weapon. The idea is that the doctrine of mutually assured destruction can be set aside and whoever has the biggest balls can win a conventional war by popping one or two of those firecrackers after territory is grabbed and before the enemy can throw them off of it.

The danger of that situation escalating is off the charts.

 

[B. Kidd]

If you actually believe it's worth risking our country to make it possible for Ukraine to be in NATO then you aren't very bright, IMO. Do you really believe Putin will just walk away? Do you think he couldn't possibly use a low-yield nuke or two in Ukraine? An airburst with a 1-5 KT weapon would instantly neutralize a city like Kyiv or Kharkiv and there would be minimal fallout.

IMO, and I've been watching this drama since the late 60s, the moment Putin decided to change the nuclear doctrine for Russia in 2000, he set the stage for a war in Europe that would see nukes detonated. He acknowledged the reality that Russia alone could not hope to match NATO in conventional terms so he began building newer, lower-yield bombs. They have a 10:1 superiority over the west in that class of weapon. The idea is that the doctrine of mutually assured destruction can be set aside and whoever has the biggest balls can win a conventional war by popping one or two of those firecrackers after territory is grabbed and before the enemy can throw them off of it.

The danger of that situation escalating is off the charts.

A profound insight!
Because of smart people like you is why I hang at USMB!!

 

[Mac1958]

Fair enough. Care to explain how you believe the situation will play out if Putin's forces are pushed out of Ukraine, or, if a no-fly zone is demanded after some sort of chemical weapons use?

I can say, with great certainty, that I don't know. It may be that Putin is capable of the worst.

 

[Rigby5]

That is a horrible oversimplification. The way you express it makes it sound equivalent but it is not.

Ukraine joining NATO does not mean missiles in Ukraine. It means Ukraine would be defended if Russia tried something exactly like what Russia is doing right now. Poland, who has been a NATO member for a while didn't even have Patriot missiles (a purely defensive anti-air weapon) until recently, and well after this war started. Cuba is already part of Russia's political and military allies, and there are no missiles there, right? Why would you think that Ukraine joining NATO would mean missiles in Ukraine?

What really is happening is that Putin sees himself as a baby-Hitler bent on world domination and has engaged on the first stage of his own Blietzkrieg. He first wants Ukraine as a Russian vassal just like Belorus is, that is all there is to it.

Wrong.
The Ukraine had signed treaties in 1992 when Gorbachev granted them independence, to NEVER try to join NATO.
So when Zelensky tried to join NATO, he was in violation in what was essentially a declaration of war.
All those US stingers and javelins were treaty violations that were a declaration of war.
Letting Azov murder ethnic Russians was an act of war.
Stealing oil from Russian pipelines was an act of war.
Etc.

 

[Rigby5]

So they are going to invade, conquer, and steal Ukraine making Ukraine part of Russia again with their neighbors pointing missiles at Russia including ukraine.

What a crock of shit.

If Zelensky had not cut off negotiation over NATO, there would have been no invasion of the Ukraine.
It is Zelensky that forced the issue.
So he is likely doing in on purpose, and is bribed by the US, to deliberately harm the Ukraine.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Here's the root issue. Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO because they don't want American missiles pointed at them just like we didn't want Soviet missiles pointed at us from Cuba.

Putin is just like every other war monger who invaded other countries to GAIN power....Europe has had plenty of these assholes who have started wars all over the place.

 

[Rigby5]

That’s got months to resolve, but 1/6 clips and statements supporting Putin aren’t going away. Good luck with that “dumpster fire”. I’m thinking the only fire that means anything is the one I’m going to light to roast some celebratory marshmallows!

Wrong.
Russia is not "bad" and has acted legally and responsibly.
They ignored the Ukraine stealing oil as far back as 2009, the murders of over 14k ethnic Russians by fascist racist Azov Battalion starting in 2014, the constant treaty violations, etc. It is only the recent attempts by Zelensky to put NATO nukes on Russia's border that was the last straw.
Anyone not supporting Putin when he clearly is legally in the right, is just a lying political hack.

 

[The Original Tree]

They just can't get that through their heads.

Biden didn't win.......

Nothing else needs said.

Election Fraud was successfully accomplished where The Bureaucratic COUP, Insurrection, Sedition and Treason that laid Siege to The White House for 4 long years failed.