Bernie’s Economic Bill Of Rights Taken Nearly Verbatim From Stalin’s 1936 Soviet Constitution

[Ambivalent1]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

We used to call these the American Dream
Now, it is a concept for Conservatives to fight against

So your Gov is responsible for making your "dream" come true? We are in DEEP trouble in this nation.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

In a perfect world socialism is the best way to organize society. That is, if those organizing it were angels from heaven.
Socialism ignores a key basic fact of humanity - Absolute power corrupts absolutely.... you can measure the level of corruption of any human organization by how much power it wields.
And in a socialist nation, the government has complete power. Rights to the people are only at the grace of government.

 

[rightwinger]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

We used to call these the American Dream
Now, it is a concept for Conservatives to fight against

What you don't seem to realize is that SOMEONE will always own the means of production, and provide those jobs and benefits...

And if the government fills that role, they will screw it up!!!

That's why communism never works!!!

Who said anything about the government controlling the means of production?

What are you, a commie?

 

[deanrd]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

We used to call these the American Dream
Now, it is a concept for Conservatives to fight against

Sad. Terribly sad. The poor Republican base believes they’re poor because they think Minorities have taken things from them. The truth is their leader ship keeps them poor because that ensures their vote.
You got to be a really good ConMan when you get people who are trying to scratch out a living voting for millionaires and billionaires because they believe those millionaires and billionaires will get them jobs.

 

[Crepitus]

See the rest of the bullets

No need Komrade. Stalin would be proud.

So would Jesus

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

I don't think the words in Thessalonians 3:10 mean what you think they mean

Holy crap, really?
You want to make the point that the Daily kos is the great arbiter of what Scripture does, and doesn't say? You need help.
Let the Scripture spe3akfor itself.

"
2 Thessalonians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)

10 For even when we were with you we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”"

Does it not occur to you that that single statement is at odds with everything else Jesus and the apostles were teaching and saying? All the rest if their teachings are about helping folks.

Cherry picking specific phrases to twist their meaning is dishonest.

 

[rightwinger]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

We used to call these the American Dream
Now, it is a concept for Conservatives to fight against

So your Gov is responsible for making your "dream" come true? We are in DEEP trouble in this nation.

A Government of the people, by the people and FOR the people

A famous Republican once said that

 

[Darkwind]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

Cite the dangerous idea.

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage

We already have that in this country:

***********

Auto Mechanics earned an average salary of $42,660 in 2017. Comparable jobs earned the following average salary in 2017: Wind Turbine Technicians made $56,680, Medical Equipment Repairers made $52,260, Maintenance and Repair Workers made $40,280, and Exterminators made $36,610.

The average pay for a Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) Operator And Programmer is $18.98 per hour.

Collision repair technicians made an average$41,570 per year, or $19.99 per hour, as of May 2011, states the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The highest-paid workers earned over $65,030, or $31.27, while the lowest-paid received less than $22,530, or $10.83.

The median annual wage for diesel service technicians and mechanics was $47,350 in May 2018. The median wage is the wage at which half the workers in an occupation earned more than that amount and half earned less. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $31,200, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $72,180.

The average pay for an HVAC Service Technician is $20.65 per hour. The average pay for an HVAC Service Technician is $50,400 per year.

The average pay for a Heavy Equipment Mechanic is $21.88 per hour. Theaverage pay for a Heavy Equipment Mechanic is $54,220 per year. The average pay for a Heavy Equipment Operator is $19.19 per hour. The average pay for a Heavy Equipment Operator is $47,652 per year

The average salary for welders is $36,720, which is a pretty typical middle class welding job. However, welding jobs will bottom out around $25,000 a year, which may be common for many entry-level welding positions. On the other hand, the 90th percentile of welders earn around $57,000 a year.

Average Electrician Pay vs. Other Best Jobs. Electricians earned an average salary of $57,910 in 2017. Comparable jobs earned the following average salary in 2017: Construction Managers made $101,000, Cost Estimators made $68,420, Carpenters made $49,630, and Solar Photovoltaic Installers made $43,010.

The BLS reports that the national average plumber's salary is approximately $50,000. Those that have the most autonomy in their work are master plumbers, and compared to an apprentice and a journeyman, have the highest earning potential. Some masterplumbers will earn well in excess of $100,000.

• The right to quality health care

Again, we already have access to quality healthcare in the US. No person will ever be denied healthcare if they have a need for it. In addition, every job listed above provides some form of health insurance (which is what you people are actually alluding to). In this country, one need only work to get healthcare.

• The right to a complete education

We already provide a complete education in this country.

• The right to affordable housing

This one IS Dangerous as it will destroy the rights of individuals to own private property. No one has a right to another’s resources.

• The right to a clean environment

This is a meaningless statement. Unless you have a means of controlling all of natures way of destroying our environment such as volcanoes, Hurricanes, outbreaks of naturally occurring disease. In addition, the USA is probably the cleanest country in the world.

• The right to a secure retirement.

Everyone already has this right. It is called ‘investement’ and responsible money handling.

********************

What you and Sanders is really saying is that these things, all of which are available to everyone who take responsibility for themselves, should be provided free to people by government.

And you ask what is so dangerous about these ideas?

 

[deanrd]

See the rest of the bullets

No need Komrade. Stalin would be proud.

So would Jesus

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

I don't think the words in Thessalonians 3:10 mean what you think they mean

Holy crap, really?
You want to make the point that the Daily kos is the great arbiter of what Scripture does, and doesn't say? You need help.
Let the Scripture spe3akfor itself.

"
2 Thessalonians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)

10 For even when we were with you we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”"

Trump plays golf. He doesn’t work. He plays pretend president. And he looks like he eats a lot. And evangelicals see him as a role model for their children.
Just sayin’.

 

[deanrd]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

Cite the dangerous idea.

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage

We already have that in this country:

***********

Auto Mechanics earned an average salary of $42,660 in 2017. Comparable jobs earned the following average salary in 2017: Wind Turbine Technicians made $56,680, Medical Equipment Repairers made $52,260, Maintenance and Repair Workers made $40,280, and Exterminators made $36,610.

The average pay for a Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) Operator And Programmer is $18.98 per hour.

Collision repair technicians made an average$41,570 per year, or $19.99 per hour, as of May 2011, states the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The highest-paid workers earned over $65,030, or $31.27, while the lowest-paid received less than $22,530, or $10.83.

The median annual wage for diesel service technicians and mechanics was $47,350 in May 2018. The median wage is the wage at which half the workers in an occupation earned more than that amount and half earned less. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $31,200, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $72,180.

The average pay for an HVAC Service Technician is $20.65 per hour. The average pay for an HVAC Service Technician is $50,400 per year.

The average pay for a Heavy Equipment Mechanic is $21.88 per hour. Theaverage pay for a Heavy Equipment Mechanic is $54,220 per year. The average pay for a Heavy Equipment Operator is $19.19 per hour. The average pay for a Heavy Equipment Operator is $47,652 per year

The average salary for welders is $36,720, which is a pretty typical middle class welding job. However, welding jobs will bottom out around $25,000 a year, which may be common for many entry-level welding positions. On the other hand, the 90th percentile of welders earn around $57,000 a year.

Average Electrician Pay vs. Other Best Jobs. Electricians earned an average salary of $57,910 in 2017. Comparable jobs earned the following average salary in 2017: Construction Managers made $101,000, Cost Estimators made $68,420, Carpenters made $49,630, and Solar Photovoltaic Installers made $43,010.

The BLS reports that the national average plumber's salary is approximately $50,000. Those that have the most autonomy in their work are master plumbers, and compared to an apprentice and a journeyman, have the highest earning potential. Some masterplumbers will earn well in excess of $100,000.

• The right to quality health care

Again, we already have access to quality healthcare in the US. No person will ever be denied healthcare if they have a need for it. In addition, every job listed above provides some form of health insurance (which is what you people are actually alluding to). In this country, one need only work to get healthcare.

• The right to a complete education

We already provide a complete education in this country.

• The right to affordable housing

This one IS Dangerous as it will destroy the rights of individuals to own private property. No one has a right to another’s resources.

• The right to a clean environment

This is a meaningless statement. Unless you have a means of controlling all of natures way of destroying our environment such as volcanoes, Hurricanes, outbreaks of naturally occurring disease. In addition, the USA is probably the cleanest country in the world.

• The right to a secure retirement.

Everyone already has this right. It is called ‘investement’ and responsible money handling.

********************

What you and Sanders is really saying is that these things, all of which are available to everyone who take responsibility for themselves, should be provided free to people by government.

And you ask what is so dangerous about these ideas?

Every single job listed requires some kind of training or education. And what do Republicans think of education?

The majority of Republicans say colleges are bad for America (yes, really)

 

[Ambivalent1]

No need Komrade. Stalin would be proud.

So would Jesus

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

I don't think the words in Thessalonians 3:10 mean what you think they mean

Holy crap, really?
You want to make the point that the Daily kos is the great arbiter of what Scripture does, and doesn't say? You need help.
Let the Scripture spe3akfor itself.

"
2 Thessalonians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)

10 For even when we were with you we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”"

Does it not occur to you that that single statement is at odds with everything else Jesus and the apostles were teaching and saying? All the rest if their teachings are about helping folks.

Cherry picking specific phrases to twist their meaning is dishonest.

Cherry piking? You are completely uneducated in these matters....

"
1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.

5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.'

2 THESSALONIANS CHAPTER 3 KJV

That's the entire context kid.

 

[rightwinger]

So, what is Bernie looking at?

40 percent of the country has ONE TENTH of a percent of the wealth
These are not deadbeats but people who work and struggle to maintain the basic rights that Bernie is asking for

A country as wealthy as we are can easily ensure that the poorest among us can reach the American Dream

 

[Ambivalent1]

No need Komrade. Stalin would be proud.

So would Jesus

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

I don't think the words in Thessalonians 3:10 mean what you think they mean

Holy crap, really?
You want to make the point that the Daily kos is the great arbiter of what Scripture does, and doesn't say? You need help.
Let the Scripture spe3akfor itself.

"
2 Thessalonians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)

10 For even when we were with you we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”"

Trump plays golf. He doesn’t work. He plays pretend president. And he looks like he eats a lot. And evangelicals see him as a role model for their children.
Just sayin’.

LOL.

 

[Ambivalent1]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

We used to call these the American Dream
Now, it is a concept for Conservatives to fight against

So your Gov is responsible for making your "dream" come true? We are in DEEP trouble in this nation.

A Government of the people, by the people and FOR the people

A famous Republican once said that

So your Gov is responsible for making your "dream" come true?

 

[Ambivalent1]

"10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

Tell me children, which word in that sentence dictates the meaning of said sentence......think hard....you can do it....

 

[Nosmo King]

So would Jesus

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

Rand Paul does not call the shots.

LOL, oh crap.....really?
Go away kid, the Apostle Paul said that

Then refer to him as such. What did Jesus say?

LOL, your lack of knowledge is not my problem son. You should know that Paul was inspired of God in his writings.

What did Jesus say?

 

[Crepitus]

So would Jesus

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

I don't think the words in Thessalonians 3:10 mean what you think they mean

Holy crap, really?
You want to make the point that the Daily kos is the great arbiter of what Scripture does, and doesn't say? You need help.
Let the Scripture spe3akfor itself.

"
2 Thessalonians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)

10 For even when we were with you we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”"

Does it not occur to you that that single statement is at odds with everything else Jesus and the apostles were teaching and saying? All the rest if their teachings are about helping folks.

Cherry picking specific phrases to twist their meaning is dishonest.

Cherry piking? You are completely uneducated in these matters....

"
1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.

5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.'

2 THESSALONIANS CHAPTER 3 KJV

That's the entire context kid.

No kidding. I'm atheist now but I was raised episcopalian. I know the whole passage, and you are cherry picking portions of it and taking it out of context. Paul was laying down some rules to deal with a small group of people who were not just taking advantage of the Christian types generosity but actively abusing it by sowing discord. You are trying to use that single incident to reverse all the other teaching of generosity, charity, and kindness.

As I said, extremely dishonest.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

Rand Paul does not call the shots.

LOL, oh crap.....really?
Go away kid, the Apostle Paul said that

Then refer to him as such. What did Jesus say?

LOL, your lack of knowledge is not my problem son. You should know that Paul was inspired of God in his writings.

What did Jesus say?

"10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

Tell me children, which "10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

Tell me children, which word in that sentence dictates the meaning of said sentence......think hard....you can do it.... in that sentence dictates the meaning of said sentence......think hard....you can do it....by the way, the entirety of the Word IS Jesus.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Nope. Paul said "If they won't work, they won't eat". Sorry

I don't think the words in Thessalonians 3:10 mean what you think they mean

Holy crap, really?
You want to make the point that the Daily kos is the great arbiter of what Scripture does, and doesn't say? You need help.
Let the Scripture spe3akfor itself.

"
2 Thessalonians 3:10 New International Version (NIV)

10 For even when we were with you we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”"

Does it not occur to you that that single statement is at odds with everything else Jesus and the apostles were teaching and saying? All the rest if their teachings are about helping folks.

Cherry picking specific phrases to twist their meaning is dishonest.

Cherry piking? You are completely uneducated in these matters....

"
1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.

5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.'

2 THESSALONIANS CHAPTER 3 KJV

That's the entire context kid.

No kidding. I'm atheist now but I was raised episcopalian. I know the whole passage, and you are cherry picking portions of it and taking it out of context. Paul was laying down some rules to deal with a small group of people who were not just taking advantage of the Christian types generosity but actively abusing it by sowing discord. You are trying to use that single incident to reverse all the other teaching of generosity, charity, and kindness.

As I said, extremely dishonest.

Let's try this again kid....

"10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

Tell me children, which word in that sentence dictates the meaning of said sentence......think hard....you can do it....

 

[iamwhatiseem]

• The right to a decent job that pays a living wage
• The right to quality health care
• The right to a complete education
• The right to affordable housing
• The right to a clean environment
• The right to a secure retirement

We used to call these the American Dream
Now, it is a concept for Conservatives to fight against

So your Gov is responsible for making your "dream" come true? We are in DEEP trouble in this nation.

A Government of the people, by the people and FOR the people

A famous Republican once said that

Long gone.
Now it is "A government of the oligarchy, paid by the oligarchy and for the oligarchy."

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Do y'all think Vegas odd makers are taking bets that Bernie combs his hair?