Ben Sasse: "You're Being Scammed, Trump Supporters."

[Coyote]

Yeah, no kidding.

He's a Republican with a backbone, and not one of the slimeballs in the GOP lying to Trump's base for political expediency.

Some members of the House and the Senate are apparently going to object to counting the votes of some states that were won by Joe Biden. Just like the rest of Senate Republicans, I have been approached by many Nebraskans demanding that I join in this project.​

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Having been in private conversation with two dozen of my colleagues over the past few weeks, it seems useful to explain in public why I will not be participating in a project to overturn the election – and why I have been urging my colleagues also to reject this dangerous ploy. ...​

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2. IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?​

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No.​

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For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt. ...​

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3. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN?​

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I started with the courts for a reason. From where I sit, the single-most telling fact is that there a giant gulf between what President Trump and his allies say in public – for example, on social media, or at press conferences outside Philadelphia landscaping companies and adult bookstores – and what President Trump’s lawyers actually say in courts of law. And that’s not a surprise. Because there are no penalties for misleading the public. But there are serious penalties for misleading a judge, and the president’s lawyers know that – and thus they have repeated almost none of the claims of grand voter fraud that the campaign spokespeople are screaming at their most zealous supporters. So, here’s the heart of this whole thing: this isn’t really a legal strategy – it’s a fundraising strategy.​

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Since Election Day, the president and his allied organizations have raised well over half a billion (billion!) dollars from supporters who have been led to believe that they’re contributing to a ferocious legal defense. But in reality, they’re mostly just giving the president and his allies a blank check that can go to their super-PACs, their next plane trip, their next campaign or project. That’s not serious governing. It’s swampy politics – and it shows very little respect for the sincere people in my state who are writing these checks. ...​

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5. BUT ISN’T IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO INVESTIGATE THESE CLAIMS MORE THOROUGHLY? DOESN’T IT HELP GUARANTEE THE LEGITIMACY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS?​

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I take this argument seriously because actual voter fraud – and worries about voter fraud – are poison to self-government. So yes, we should investigate all specific claims, but we shouldn’t burn down the whole process along the way. Right now we are locked in a destructive, vicious circle:​

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Step 1: Allege widespread voter fraud.​

Step 2: Fail to offer specific evidence of widespread fraud.​

Step 3: Demand investigation, on grounds that there are “allegations” of voter fraud. ...​

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6. DO ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS?​

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When we talk in private, I haven’t heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent – not one. Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will “look” to President Trump’s most ardent supporters.​

Senator Ben Sasse

Senator Ben Sasse. 58,267 likes · 8 talking about this. Fifth-generation Nebraskan, United States Senator representing the Cornhusker State. Contact Senator Sasse’s office here: http://1.usa.gov/1xQ6dD4

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Oh, and for those Trump worshippers who are going to yell "RINO!" RINO now means "Retarded In Name Only"

Quit hiding behind "Voter Fraud". There were multiple fronts of election tampering, only a small fraction of which was perpetrated by voters. Democrats use the term "Voter Fraud" to hide all the other illegal things they did, like shipping truckloads of bogus ballots for Biden from New York to PA, using Dominion Voting Systems to shift ballots from Trump to Biden, throwing away untold thousands of Trump Ballots, and many other witnessed events that were NOT "Voter Fraud". Don't fall for the word games.

There were no truck loads of ballots, discarding untold thousands of ballots or hanky panky with Dominion. Over and over your claims come up unsubstantiated. Trump lostt fair and square just Hilary did 4 yrs ago.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Why are you guys still arguing this now resolved topic, Trump lost the election, lost the lawsuits, SCOTUS said no to the Texas lawsuit, all the EC votes are certified, the bogus Gohmert lawsuit is so stupid, the latest Georgia audit blows up in their faces, the trail of failures should have been enough to show that Trump has nothing left, but somehow we have stubborn people refusing to accept the obvious.

That is sad.

 

[justoffal]

It's not over and people can move aside without moving on....this constant droning about moving on is more like control freakism than it is good advice. Biden will be seated but that does not mean it is over by a long shot and I suspect that the next two election cycles will be ferociously vengeful of the fraudsters. Per chance we discover that Powell and her team were misleading us from the get go...then may the full weight of the judiciary land on her sorry ass through the dominion law suit.....Apparently Tucker saw this coming.

Not only will the Dems get more seats in 2022, I can't see the GoP ever getting the presidency again, unless they start moving back towards the centre. Maybe after the lunacy of the past four years, it'll start to happen.

The Democratic party no longer exists....the lunacy you refer to is nothing more than concerned Americans trying to stop the spread of humanity killing globalism and preserve the American Traditions something that is total anathema to the left for some mysterious reason that I doubt they even know themselves. You are totally mistaken if you think the Trump era is over....to the contrary it is just beginning.

JO

 

[justoffal]

It's not over and people can move aside without moving on....this constant droning about moving on is more like control freakism than it is good advice. Biden will be seated but that does not mean it is over by a long shot and I suspect that the next two election cycles will be ferociously vengeful of the fraudsters. Per chance we discover that Powell and her team were misleading us from the get go...then may the full weight of the judiciary land on her sorry ass through the dominion law suit.....Apparently Tucker saw this coming.

Not only will the Dems get more seats in 2022, I can't see the GoP ever getting the presidency again, unless they start moving back towards the centre. Maybe after the lunacy of the past four years, it'll start to happen.

It's already begun. Sanity will make progress in both camps over the next four years.

LOL.....soooo you actually think that the Democratic Party is moving to the center? hahahah....oh man are you purposely obtuse or just childishly hopeful? AOC is your future...sure you have a place in it?

JO

 

[justoffal]

Yeah, no kidding.

He's a Republican with a backbone, and not one of the slimeballs in the GOP lying to Trump's base for political expediency.

Some members of the House and the Senate are apparently going to object to counting the votes of some states that were won by Joe Biden. Just like the rest of Senate Republicans, I have been approached by many Nebraskans demanding that I join in this project.​

​

Having been in private conversation with two dozen of my colleagues over the past few weeks, it seems useful to explain in public why I will not be participating in a project to overturn the election – and why I have been urging my colleagues also to reject this dangerous ploy. ...​

​

2. IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?​

​

No.​

​

For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt. ...​

​

3. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN?​

​

I started with the courts for a reason. From where I sit, the single-most telling fact is that there a giant gulf between what President Trump and his allies say in public – for example, on social media, or at press conferences outside Philadelphia landscaping companies and adult bookstores – and what President Trump’s lawyers actually say in courts of law. And that’s not a surprise. Because there are no penalties for misleading the public. But there are serious penalties for misleading a judge, and the president’s lawyers know that – and thus they have repeated almost none of the claims of grand voter fraud that the campaign spokespeople are screaming at their most zealous supporters. So, here’s the heart of this whole thing: this isn’t really a legal strategy – it’s a fundraising strategy.​

​

Since Election Day, the president and his allied organizations have raised well over half a billion (billion!) dollars from supporters who have been led to believe that they’re contributing to a ferocious legal defense. But in reality, they’re mostly just giving the president and his allies a blank check that can go to their super-PACs, their next plane trip, their next campaign or project. That’s not serious governing. It’s swampy politics – and it shows very little respect for the sincere people in my state who are writing these checks. ...​

​

5. BUT ISN’T IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO INVESTIGATE THESE CLAIMS MORE THOROUGHLY? DOESN’T IT HELP GUARANTEE THE LEGITIMACY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS?​

​

I take this argument seriously because actual voter fraud – and worries about voter fraud – are poison to self-government. So yes, we should investigate all specific claims, but we shouldn’t burn down the whole process along the way. Right now we are locked in a destructive, vicious circle:​

​

Step 1: Allege widespread voter fraud.​

Step 2: Fail to offer specific evidence of widespread fraud.​

Step 3: Demand investigation, on grounds that there are “allegations” of voter fraud. ...​

​

6. DO ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS?​

​

When we talk in private, I haven’t heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent – not one. Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will “look” to President Trump’s most ardent supporters.​

Senator Ben Sasse

Senator Ben Sasse. 58,267 likes · 8 talking about this. Fifth-generation Nebraskan, United States Senator representing the Cornhusker State. Contact Senator Sasse’s office here: http://1.usa.gov/1xQ6dD4

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Oh, and for those Trump worshippers who are going to yell "RINO!" RINO now means "Retarded In Name Only"

Sasse is typical of many republicans in the senate with safe seats

he just won reelection with 67% of the vote

so even if biden is the Thief in Chief and if democrats own the House and have a majority in the senate election cheating has not harmed him in any way

except that he is metely the ranking member of his senate committee instead of the chairman

he’ll make big noises about taking the senate back while the democrats run over the best interests of 74+ million voters

does sasse give a damn?

of course not

he’s personally too comfortable to care

I thought Joe was senile? How could he mastermind an election steal?

He didn't....Biden is just the bag of bones marionette that the cabal of the Never Trump Republicans, the Globalist Democrats and the the Chinese house servants selected to place before the public. Biden is a pathetically weak figurehead which is of course perfect for the globalist influencers. Almost immediately you will see the tide turn in favor of the people who bought this election....the Chinese. One thing they all have in common....they all profit from China.

 

[justoffal]

I don't know if there was significant fraud in the election but I do know that whatever happened in key jurisdictions is a closely guarded secret. If there was no fraud, why so much secrecy and lack of transparency?

The Fraud was stupendous and massively voluminous....it is also too well protected to ever be fully investigated. People would simply start dying...even SCOTUS judges and they damn well know it.

JO

 

[Dr Grump]

The Democratic party no longer exists....the lunacy you refer to is nothing more than concerned Americans trying to stop the spread of humanity killing globalism and preserve the American Traditions something that is total anathema to the left for some mysterious reason that I doubt they even know themselves. You are totally mistaken if you think the Trump era is over....to the contrary it is just beginning.

JO

Concerned Americans like a guy who pays off porn stars after he fucks them? Who calls those in uniform losers? Who likes to grab women by the pussy? Who yells 'election fraud' yet offers ZERO hard evidence of any such thing despite judges he appointed and those from his own party in said states saying no such thing happened? This is the guy who likes American traditions? He wouldn't know a tradition if it jumped on his lap, gave him an invitation, and said 'come on in'. How is globalism killing humanity? What is globalism?

I think the Deplorable era will always be here, but they are a minority. They will be going the way of the Dodo sooner or later.

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't know if there was significant fraud in the election but I do know that whatever happened in key jurisdictions is a closely guarded secret. If there was no fraud, why so much secrecy and lack of transparency?

The Fraud was stupendous and massively voluminous....it is also too well protected to ever be fully investigated. People would simply start dying...even SCOTUS judges and they damn well know it.

JO

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I am kicking myself. I am not a totalitarian by any stretch. But I really wish there was a rule (and trust me, I HATE about 80 per cent of the rules on this board) that states if you are a conspiracy theorist whackadoodle, you must qualify that before you post. At the very least I wouldn't have wasted my time interacting with you.

 

[K9Buck]

I don't know if there was significant fraud in the election but I do know that whatever happened in key jurisdictions is a closely guarded secret. If there was no fraud, why so much secrecy and lack of transparency?

The Fraud was stupendous and massively voluminous....it is also too well protected to ever be fully investigated. People would simply start dying...even SCOTUS judges and they damn well know it.

JO

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I am kicking myself. I am not a totalitarian by any stretch. But I really wish there was a rule (and trust me, I HATE about 80 per cent of the rules on this board) that states if you are a conspiracy theorist whackadoodle, you must qualify that before you post. At the very least I wouldn't have wasted my time interacting with you.

As I said, I don't know if there was significant cheating but I DO know that the process is very secretive. Why is that?

 

[K9Buck]

Who calls those in uniform losers?

Speaking of wild conspiracy theories.

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't know if there was significant fraud in the election but I do know that whatever happened in key jurisdictions is a closely guarded secret. If there was no fraud, why so much secrecy and lack of transparency?

The Fraud was stupendous and massively voluminous....it is also too well protected to ever be fully investigated. People would simply start dying...even SCOTUS judges and they damn well know it.

JO

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I am kicking myself. I am not a totalitarian by any stretch. But I really wish there was a rule (and trust me, I HATE about 80 per cent of the rules on this board) that states if you are a conspiracy theorist whackadoodle, you must qualify that before you post. At the very least I wouldn't have wasted my time interacting with you.

As I said, I don't know if there was significant cheating but I DO know that the process is very secretive. Why is that?

And I'm asking which parts.

 

[K9Buck]

Trump lost the election

We don't know that because all of the jurisdictions in question are zealously guarding their ballots from examination. What are they thing?

 

[Dr Grump]

Who calls those in uniform losers?

Speaking of wild conspiracy theories.

Fact check: Donald Trump did call John McCain a loser

President Donald Trump called John McCain a loser at a televised event in 2015 and then, later that day, tweeted out a web post recapping the event.

www.freep.com

Did Trump really call members of the military "losers"?

Claim:On Sept. 3, The Atlantic published an article claiming that President Trump called members of the American military that have died, or captured, in wars, “losers” and “suckers.” Rating: This claim is MOSTLY TRUE. Although Trump has denied making those statements, a number of other news outlets

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[K9Buck]

And I'm asking which parts.

The EASY solution is to have fully transparent, bi-partisan, audits of the jurisdictions in question with members of the Trump and Biden teams participating and monitoring the process. Demonstrate to the American people that the election was, indeed, fair and legitimate.

Why is that not happening?

 

[K9Buck]

Who calls those in uniform losers?

Speaking of wild conspiracy theories.

Fact check: Donald Trump did call John McCain a loser

President Donald Trump called John McCain a loser at a televised event in 2015 and then, later that day, tweeted out a web post recapping the event.

www.freep.com

Did Trump really call members of the military "losers"?

Claim:On Sept. 3, The Atlantic published an article claiming that President Trump called members of the American military that have died, or captured, in wars, “losers” and “suckers.” Rating: This claim is MOSTLY TRUE. Although Trump has denied making those statements, a number of other news outlets

vietfactcheck.org

He called McCain a "loser" but not any other military members. Your source is a joke.

 

[Dr Grump]

And I'm asking which parts.

The EASY solution is to have fully transparent, bi-partisan, audits of the jurisdictions in question with members of the Trump and Biden teams participating and monitoring the process. Demonstrate to the American people that the election was, indeed, fair and legitimate.

Why is that not happening?

1) Have they ever done that before and if so, why not?
2) How long would it take?
3) The only people who are claiming 'fraud' are those standing outside adult book shops, and when those same people come in front of a judge, they're saying jack shit. Why is that?

 

[Dr Grump]

He called McCain a "loser" but not any other military members. Your source is a joke.

So he called McCain a loser.
1) Was McCain in the military?
2) If you answer to 1) is 'yes', where's the conspiracy theory.

Even if you don't believe the second source (although out of the two sides, Trump easily has the record of being a pathological liar), who said there had to be multiple sources? I just said he called military personal losers. McCain was in the military. Trump called him a loser. End of story. No conspiracy. Fact.

 

[K9Buck]

He called McCain a "loser" but not any other military members. Your source is a joke.

So he called McCain a loser.
1) Was McCain in the military?
2) If you answer to 1) is 'yes', where's the conspiracy theory.

Even if you don't believe the second source (although out of the two sides, Trump easily has the record of being a pathological liar), who said there had to be multiple sources? I just said he called military personal losers. McCain was in the military. Trump called him a loser. End of story. No conspiracy. Fact.

There are some good posters on here that engage in logical, truthful, discussion but, you're not one of them.

 

[Mac1958]

President Trump won't back down from challenging the massive Dem election fraud, Dems are freaking out.

So what's going to happen?

Lay it out for us, for future reference.

You will get your ass beat.

Please get more specific. Can you do that?

 

[Mac1958]

Most of the MAGAtards have no idea what a commie is. Even if you printed out the definition and handed it to them.

They wouldn't (or couldn't) read it.

They would call it fake news.

They have their own language.

Soon we'll need an interpreter to communicate with them.