Ben Carson Says Muslims Should Be Disqualified From Presidency

[ScreamingEagle]

The PC Police always get so pissy when I point out their behaviors, and especially when I refer to Islam as "the PC-protected religion".

And then a thread like this comes along.


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What's "PC" about disagreeing with people who think Muslims should be banned from holding office?

Gawd, you're still humping my leg.

I'm not going to explain PC to you.

But let me try to help: Here are some HONEST liberals who have had enough of it. If this isn't good enough for you, too bad.

That's an interesting discussion (the video).
Problem is, Maher keeps milking the same Composition Fallacy as posters here do, which is suggesting that this bombing, that terrorism, the other war, are waged by a religion -- rather than by political dynamics. He even talks himself into a self-contradicting corner right at the end. A political commentator of all people ought to know better.

the problem with Islam is that it is more than just a 'religion'......it is a whole systematic way of life....including politics.....

Yeah I'm afraid that's a fabrication this fallacy needs to prop itself up.

Is Christianism a "whole systematic way of life including politics"? Should we simply ban Christianism from the United States because Christians in Africa or wherever are committing genocide and burning witches?

See how this works?


Nah, you probably won't ...

it's called Christianity.....

and no.....Christianity separates church from state.....whereas Islam does not.....Islam is essentially theocracy....

 

[playtime]

Carson has a right to his opinion, which is line with what most Americans believe.

That's why Obama had to swear up and down a hundred times that he wasn't a Muslim. And based on his actions during his presidency, the jury is still out on whether he lied about that one as he did many things in 08, like when he said he was against gay marriage.

Obama wouldn't have had to swear anything up & down if not for the nutters insisting he was Muslim to begin with (as if that really made a difference CONSTITUTIONALLY considering there IS NO LITMUS TEST FOR RELIGION?)

 

[ScreamingEagle]

what does that have to do with anything....? you probably even know a gay-loving muslim or two...i'm sure there are plenty of nice friendly muslims in this world but their leadership and laws are what control them (unless they are living free in places like the U.S.)

Actually I've never met an American Muslim that had a problem with me being gay or a female. I have met lots of evangelicals that did though.

to them you are simply an infidel.....but they can't kill you in the U.S.....

Define infidel as it applies to American Muslims that I am friends with.

Did you know that there are Muslim countries where being gay is not a crime?

The Dean Obeidallah Show: No, Islam doesn’t say kill gays

A Muslim has never personally told me I should die because I'm gay. Lots of Christians have.

really....? probably people on the net who are simply frustrated with the gay mafia...

there are variations in the muslim world.....but i doubt you can name a Christian country where you would be killed for being gay.....there are many muslim countries where it is punishable by death.....

Here are the 10 countries where homosexuality may be punished by death

Heard of Uganda?

Foiled in the United States, Anti-Gay Evangelicals Spread Hate in Africa | Mother Jones

How anti-gay Christians evangelize hate abroad

bfd....so don't move to Uganda....

 

[g5000]

What's "PC" about disagreeing with people who think Muslims should be banned from holding office?

Gawd, you're still humping my leg.

I'm not going to explain PC to you.

But let me try to help: Here are some HONEST liberals who have had enough of it. If this isn't good enough for you, too bad.

That's an interesting discussion (the video).
Problem is, Maher keeps milking the same Composition Fallacy as posters here do, which is suggesting that this bombing, that terrorism, the other war, are waged by a religion -- rather than by political dynamics. He even talks himself into a self-contradicting corner right at the end. A political commentator of all people ought to know better.

the problem with Islam is that it is more than just a 'religion'......it is a whole systematic way of life....including politics.....

Yeah I'm afraid that's a fabrication this fallacy needs to prop itself up.

Is Christianism a "whole systematic way of life including politics"? Should we simply ban Christianism from the United States because Christians in Africa or wherever are committing genocide and burning witches?

See how this works?


Nah, you probably won't ...

it's called Christianity.....

and no.....Christianity separates church from state.....whereas Islam does not.....Islam is essentially theocracy....

No, Christianity does not separate church from state. The Constitution does.

Christianity was the State for centuries. The Pilgrims came here precisely to get away from that.

 

[Mac1958]

Then so be it.

Everyone is bigoted in some way.

Everyone.
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Yes, it just depends on your target. I'm bigoted against nose pick and flickers...but I don't think they need additional security screening as a result.


Bigots used to think gays were a security risk too.

How do they allow those Moooooslims to serve?

So those are your only targets of bigotry.

Wow, rare. Got it.
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No...I don't like pick and stickers either. Still don't think they should get additional security scrutiny just because I'm bigoted against them.

You still haven't explained why a person's religion should preclude them for a security clearance or why they should get additional screening as a result.

Screws me, ask Carson.

Plus, I didn't say what you're pretending I said. Not even close. Not within a mile.

This whole thread sure has been chock full 'o dishonest posts. Straw Man - O - Rama.

I'm used to that here, but it does become tedious.
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Carson didn't bring up security concerns, you did.

No, I made a guess about his reasoning.
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[g5000]

There are people who would like to make the US more theocratic. Countries like Iran, and old Europe, serve as examples of why that is a huge mistake.

We just saw an evangelical preacher running for President drooling all over a hypocritical Christian who wanted to use the power of the State to force her religion on others.

 

[Sallow]

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Most Muslim countries are unfriendly, to put it mildly with the US, Iran even chants death to America on a daily basis.

We occupy their countries and kill hundreds of thousands of their people and somehow they hold it against us...

The hits keep coming.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Carson has a right to his opinion, which is line with what most Americans believe.

That's why Obama had to swear up and down a hundred times that he wasn't a Muslim. And based on his actions during his presidency, the jury is still out on whether he lied about that one as he did many things in 08, like when he said he was against gay marriage.

Obama wouldn't have had to swear anything up & down if not for the nutters insisting he was Muslim to begin with (as if that really made a difference CONSTITUTIONALLY considering there IS NO LITMUS TEST FOR RELIGION?)

it's true there is no litmus test for religion but Carson is logical....it makes no sense to elect someone who believes in a faith that is anti-Constitutional....

Shariah is Anti-Constitutional
Whether pursued through the violent form of jihad (holy war) or stealthier practices that shariah Islamists often refer to as "dawa" (the "call to Islam"), shariah rejects fundamental premises of American society and values:

1. the bedrock proposition that the governed have a right to make law for themselves;
   
   
2. the democratic republic governed by the Constitution;
   
   
3. freedom of conscience; individual liberty
   
   
4. freedom of expression (including the liberty to analyze and criticize shariah);
   
   
5. economic liberty (including private property);
   
   
6. equal treatment under the law (including that of men and women, and of Muslims and non-Muslims);
   
   
7. freedom from cruel and unusual punishments; an unequivocal condemnation of terrorism (i.e., one that is based on a common sense meaning of the term and does not rationalize barbarity as legitimate "resistance"); and
   
   
8. an abiding commitment to deflate and resolve political controversies by the ordinary mechanisms of our democratic republic, not wanton violence. The subversion campaign known as "civilization jihad" must not be confused with, or tolerated as, a constitutionally protected form of religious practice. Its ambitions transcend what American law recognizes as the sacrosanct realm of private conscience and belief. It seeks to supplant our Constitution with its own totalitarian framework.
   
   
9. The U. S. Constitution and Sharia Law

 

[Mac1958]

The PC Police always get so pissy when I point out their behaviors, and especially when I refer to Islam as "the PC-protected religion".

And then a thread like this comes along.


.

What's "PC" about disagreeing with people who think Muslims should be banned from holding office?

Gawd, you're still humping my leg.

I'm not going to explain PC to you.

But let me try to help: Here are some HONEST liberals who have had enough of it. If this isn't good enough for you, too bad.

That's an interesting discussion (the video).
Problem is, Maher keeps milking the same Composition Fallacy as posters here do, which is suggesting that this bombing, that terrorism, the other war, are waged by a religion -- rather than by political dynamics. He even talks himself into a self-contradicting corner right at the end. A political commentator of all people ought to know better.

What's intelligence-insulting about this post though, is the blatant suggestion that "oh here's a Liberal who agrees with me, therefore being all monolithic you have to agree with him too". Bull ******* Shit. Individual opinions are just that, and this endless crutch of hanging labels on everybody to pre-define what they think is absolutely pathetic.

If I were a conservative, that would be a good point. And if you're honest, you'll admit that both "sides" do that. If you're honest.

Actually, I lean to the Left, and I agree with these lefties (including the lovely, proud, long-time Democrat in my sig) who feel that PC, in all its forms, has gone too far:

• The political correctness cops are going to ruin the progressive cause

• Bill Maher Rails Against Crazy Political Correctness From Liberals Tells Media Matters to Shut The F ck Up Video RealClearPolitics

• Jerry Seinfeld says political correctness is hurting comedy - CBS News

• Don Lemon weighs in on PC culture Liberals are the most easily offended and the least tolerant - Salon.com

• Not a Very P.C. Thing to Say -- NYMag

• Liberal Turley against political correctness in News Forum

• Are Liberals Becoming Too Sensitive and Politically Correct

• Jim Webb says Democratic Party has lost its way - The Washington Post

• John Stuart Mill s Argument Against Political...

• Dem Blames Political Correctness for Fort Hood Workplace Violence Controversy - ABC News

• Is the New Political Correctness Already Dying -- NYMag

• I don t know what to do you guys Fredrik deBoer

• http://www.forwardprogressives.com/liberals-becoming-sensitive-politically-correct/

• http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid

• http://www.socialmemorycomplex.net/leftlibertarian/2012/06/12/a-leftist-critique-of-political-correctness/

• My view: Political correctness should not inhibit free speech

• http://scienceblogs.com/webeasties/2013/05/21/science-racism-and-political-correctness/

• http://www.hawkeyelounge.com/threads/liberal-columnist-leonard-pitts-asks-if-weve-overdone-political-correctness.130665/

• #CancelColbert and the Return of the Anti-Liberal Left

• REED: When liberals become illiberal

• PC Police Out Of Control In Possibly The Most Absurd Story I've Ever Come Across

• “Political Correctness” | The Progressive Professor

• How Liberals Ruined College

 

[Sallow]

Christians brought us 1933 Nazi Germany.

Are you saying Hitler was a Christian?

Well yeah.

Duh.

 

[g5000]

The monarch in England is still the Governor of the Church of England, even in this modern day.

 

[playtime]

What's "PC" about disagreeing with people who think Muslims should be banned from holding office?

Gawd, you're still humping my leg.

I'm not going to explain PC to you.

But let me try to help: Here are some HONEST liberals who have had enough of it. If this isn't good enough for you, too bad.

That's an interesting discussion (the video).
Problem is, Maher keeps milking the same Composition Fallacy as posters here do, which is suggesting that this bombing, that terrorism, the other war, are waged by a religion -- rather than by political dynamics. He even talks himself into a self-contradicting corner right at the end. A political commentator of all people ought to know better.

the problem with Islam is that it is more than just a 'religion'......it is a whole systematic way of life....including politics.....

Yeah I'm afraid that's a fabrication this fallacy needs to prop itself up.

Is Christianism a "whole systematic way of life including politics"? Should we simply ban Christianism from the United States because Christians in Africa or wherever are committing genocide and burning witches?

See how this works?


Nah, you probably won't ...

it's called Christianity.....

and no.....Christianity separates church from state.....whereas Islam does not.....Islam is essentially theocracy....

Really? How do the rightwing conservative 'Christians' feel about same sex marriage?

How about safe & legal abortion?

 

[Mac1958]

Sure is touching to see the passion being put into defense by the Left of a religion like Christianity.

Oops, shit, I mean Islam, sorry.


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No liberal in this thread says that being Christian automatically disqualifies a person from getting his vote.

Carson is saying that being a Muslim automatically disqualifies that person from getting his vote.

Another great example, thanks.

Your concern for Islam is touching.

It isn't "concern for Islam". Nobody gives a flying **** about Islam per se.
It's concern for the ******* Constitution.

The one that, we're often reminded, that was written by rich, white, racist slave owners?

Take it up with Carson, I'm only guessing about his motives and reasons.
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[Mac1958]

If the school thought the clock was a bomb, why didn't they evacuate the school? If the school thought the clock was a bomb, why did they carry it to the office and leave the kid there with it? If the cops thought the clock was a bomb, why did they put it in a police car?

Because the kid was a Muslim.

Yes, most likely.
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[g5000]

Christians brought us 1933 Nazi Germany.

Are you saying Hitler was a Christian?

He certainly was. Hitler professed his Christianity in Mein Kampf, and believed Jesus was a Jew hater.

Hitler: "Christ was nailed to the cross for his intolerance of the Jews".

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Christians against homosexuality....
Shockingly "intolerant"..... Lol

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Gawd, you're still humping my leg.

I'm not going to explain PC to you.

But let me try to help: Here are some HONEST liberals who have had enough of it. If this isn't good enough for you, too bad.

That's an interesting discussion (the video).
Problem is, Maher keeps milking the same Composition Fallacy as posters here do, which is suggesting that this bombing, that terrorism, the other war, are waged by a religion -- rather than by political dynamics. He even talks himself into a self-contradicting corner right at the end. A political commentator of all people ought to know better.

the problem with Islam is that it is more than just a 'religion'......it is a whole systematic way of life....including politics.....

Yeah I'm afraid that's a fabrication this fallacy needs to prop itself up.

Is Christianism a "whole systematic way of life including politics"? Should we simply ban Christianism from the United States because Christians in Africa or wherever are committing genocide and burning witches?

See how this works?


Nah, you probably won't ...

it's called Christianity.....

and no.....Christianity separates church from state.....whereas Islam does not.....Islam is essentially theocracy....

Really? How do the rightwing conservative 'Christians' feel about same sex marriage?

How about safe & legal abortion?

you would know if they were given the right to vote on those issues....instead of a secularist activist court creating law out of penumbras and what not.....

 

[Roudy]

Christianity has shown to be compatible with the U.S. Constitution and democracy in general. Islam has not. This country was established by devout Christians, dufus.

A religion -- any religion -- isn't "compatible" or "incompatible" with the COTUS. They're two different things.

He said Islam isn't compatible with the constitution and he is correct. A vast majority of Americans will agree with that. Maybe some of them are liberal pussies who are afraid of becoming outcasts among their friends, and won't say the obvious.

Islam is a religion.
The Constitution is a legal structure.

They're two different things. The latter is public, the former private.

I don't know or give a flying rat's ass **** what kind of loaded question your fantasy "vast majority" will "agree" with, I'm interested in what makes sense. That's why I correct you -- you don't.

With what is happening in the world today and what has become exposed about Islam, what makes sense is not having a person of Muslim faith running the Oval Office, the highest position in the world. And that's what Ben Carson said. Maybe you would like to see a president spreading Shariah law from the Oval Office, but I will wager that over 90% of Americans agree with Ben Carson, and do not want to see a Muslim as president.

That is plain stupid and the common way of thinking for most conservatives. If you are born in the United States, your religion shouldn't matter. It only matters to those who want to make this country a theocracy and inject their beliefs into our government. That is why Jefferson so intelligently declared "Separation of church and state" - the President should rely on the Constitution and not their own personal beliefs. Theocracy is how third countries are run.....into the ground.....and conservatives would turn this country into a third world country in a NY second with their religious extremists, radically charismatic and uninformed candidates.

God help us if someone like Huckabee should get elected.....he has his owned skewed version of what the Bible says.

Personally I don't want to see Huckabee get elected either. He is very knowledgeable, and does shed light and speaks correctly about many issues involving our country and the world today. However, I feel he is too zealous underneath and it will affect his judgement and therefore the separation of church and state will be violated. Just as we have a radical ideologue anti American leftist socialist in the Oval office now who's ideology permeates everything he says and does. Even JFK had to prove to the nation that in his eyes, the Pope, Catholicism or the Vatican do not supersede his country.

So of course, religion (and how devout a person is) does matter when it comes to the Oval Office, especially when it comes to Islam. Considering what is happening in the world today if you think otherwise you have had your head in the sand for too long. And that is what Ben Carson has said.

 

[g5000]

Really? How do the rightwing conservative 'Christians' feel about same sex marriage?

About the same as they felt about interracial marriage when I was a kid.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

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