Ben Carson Says Muslims Should Be Disqualified From Presidency

[Roudy]

I am not frightened by Muslims or by Islam ....I certainly do not hate them......

You wouldn't be saying that if you were one of the millions of refugees who left all their belongings and are fleeing ISIS trying to get into Christian Europe.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

The Right has its own ideas for a Sharia of their own .. Christian Sharia.

Over 200 years of US history we see no sign of a Christian Sharia.

The left tries to constantly fraudulently equivocate Islam and Islamic behavior with Christianity. That pig won't fly.

Plenty of signs.. Do you remember how long gay marriage was banned for? How one party wants to control women's bodies? Keep gays out of the military? Women?

Gay marriage has been considered an abomination for the last two years in the U.S. And before that for 5000 years. Are you seriously complaining THAT to the barbarism in Shariah law? Ho ho ho what a ******* moron.

You claim;
"Gay marriage has been considered an abomination for the last two years in the U.S."
Actually, I would say it's been just a tad longer than that. Is that from a secular perspective or a canonical POV you're speaking from? The answer is, obviously, the latter of the two just as with Islamic law, Sharia! The canonical law of a Christian, a Jew and a Muslim are the same in that respect and are held fast by the fundamentalists of those faiths, with some being "more faithful" than others!

You seem afraid, very afraid, of the possibility of Sharia & its Courts here in the US. We may share a common concern, but I'm not as one sided as you seem to be, but lets see! How about Jewish Law Courts and Rabbinical Courts that are already existing here in the US? Do you not fear those religious courts? I don't believe those civil law courts established by fundamentalist Jewry and Mosaic law are in harmony with the establishment clause either, but they exist. So are you going to be just as strident against those EXIXTING JEWISH LAW & COURTS (BETH DIN) AS YOU ARE AGAINST THE NON-EXISTENT ISLAMIC LAW & COURTS (SHARIA) AND PERHAPS SHOW ALL A HYPOCRITICAL, BIGOTED SIDE?

For one's edification:
http://www.nylslawreview.com/wp-con...012/11/NYLS_Law_Review_Volume-57-2.Broyde.pdf
http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1890&context=ulj

I meant "gay marriage has been considered an abomination for the last TWO HUNDRED YEARS" and rightly so. When you see a priest or rabbi perform a religious marriage ceremony for two men or women, IT IS AN ABOMINATION and an insult to all three faiths, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Let them have a different union and call it something else and give them the same exact rights as married couples. But to mock a faith and force it to change it's basic teachings, to me reeks of fascism, which is what radical leftists are really good at.

Shariah law is a barbaric and neanderthal. Take a look at all the areas ISIS has captured, or the Taliban are ruling, that is Shariah law.

Other than in the first line where you admit your error, what the hell does the rest of your rant have to do with the totality of my post to you? Now will you respond to the rest of my original reply or continue to pretend it that what you wrote in the first line was merely a typo?

BTW, "Sharia law" is redundant. Sharia is Islamic law, so it's like saying Islamic law law!

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Not a day goes by where Islam doesn't spill innocent blood.

Here is a small sample of our handywork in the world
VIETNAM
(NAPALM)

LAOS
(AGENT ORANGE)

CAMBODIA
(CLUSTER BOMB)

FALLUJAH, IRAQ
(DEPLETED URANIUM)

AFGHANISTAN
(LANDMINE)

Oh so we're just going to show pictures of victims of war for the past 5000 years, and then compare that to the religious war Muslims are waging upon modern civilization and Western freedoms and democracies.

You whine piteous about Islam...maybe they call it war too
Those were US attacks on the people of the Third world...you can call it "war"...I call it "attacks on the people of the Third world" using some excuse or another ...like invading Iraq for fake reasons provided to we the American people by

THE CORPORATE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REFLECT THE VIEWS OF ESTABLISHED POWER. THEY OFFER AN ENDLESS STREAM OF PROPAGANDA, DISINFORMATION AND LIES, MISINFORMING PEOPLE AND PREVENTING THEM FROM UNDERSTANDING HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I am not frightened by Muslims or by Islam ....I certainly do not hate them......

You wouldn't be saying that if you were one of the millions of refugees who left all their belongings and are fleeing ISIS trying to get into Christian Europe.

If I was one of those refugees I would be cursing the USA...how do you think ISIS recruits ...reminding folks of what we do

 

[Roudy]

What should Dr Carson tell the racist , intolerant, apostates at CAIR ???

It's pretty ambitious for CAIR, an organization who's founders and members have been busted and put in Federal prison for supporting Islamic terrorists, to now whine about Dr. Carson's correct comments, which he had every right to make.

Liberals are always trying to stifle free speech unless it's in line with their warped ideology.

 

[g5000]

When you see a priest or rabbi perform a religious marriage ceremony for two men or women, IT IS AN ABOMINATION and an insult to all three faiths, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Let them have a different union and call it something else and give them the same exact rights as married couples.

You can go right ahead and do that in your Church. No one is stopping your from banning gay marriage in your Church. You can roll around in the aisles with your snakes and cuss homosexuality to your heart's content.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with going to the State and applying for all the cash and prizes Caesar bestows on marriages. Those cash and prizes have NOTHING to do with your religion. Two men filing a joint tax return has NOTHING to do with your Church.

That's how the whole separation thing works, dumbass.

 

[Roudy]

Not a day goes by where Islam doesn't spill innocent blood.

Here is a small sample of our handywork in the world
VIETNAM
(NAPALM)

LAOS
(AGENT ORANGE)

CAMBODIA
(CLUSTER BOMB)

FALLUJAH, IRAQ
(DEPLETED URANIUM)

AFGHANISTAN
(LANDMINE)

Oh so we're just going to show pictures of victims of war for the past 5000 years, and then compare that to the religious war Muslims are waging upon modern civilization and Western freedoms and democracies.

You whine piteous about Islam...maybe they call it war too
Those were US attacks on the people of the Third world...you can call it "war"...I call it "attacks on the people of the Third world" using some excuse or another ...like invading Iraq for fake reasons provided to we the American people by

THE CORPORATE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REFLECT THE VIEWS OF ESTABLISHED POWER. THEY OFFER AN ENDLESS STREAM OF PROPAGANDA, DISINFORMATION AND LIES, MISINFORMING PEOPLE AND PREVENTING THEM FROM UNDERSTANDING HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS.

Blah blah blah. More conspiracy gibberish. This isn't some radical socialist leftist blog.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

You all have seen how the Muslin Islam haters react to pictures of what we have done ....they shrug and call it "war" and that resolves all moral issues ..."hey its war" LOl

This is the nut bag other genius response

"victims of war for the past 5000 years" but I only used samples from the last half of the 20 th century and 21 st century...there was no napalm 5000 years ago

This poster talks as though the wars create themselves

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The Muslim are not waging war on me

 

[Roudy]

When you see a priest or rabbi perform a religious marriage ceremony for two men or women, IT IS AN ABOMINATION and an insult to all three faiths, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Let them have a different union and call it something else and give them the same exact rights as married couples.

You can go right ahead and do that in your Church. No one is stopping your from banning gay marriage in your Church. You can roll around in the aisles with your snakes and cuss homosexuality to your heart's content.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with going to the State and applying for all the cash and prizes Caesar bestows on marriages. Those cash and prizes have NOTHING to do with your religion. Two men filing a joint tax return has NOTHING to do with your Church.

That's how the whole separation thing works, dumbass.

Yes, the state has no right to impose their interpretation of a religious ritual upon the public. Any Church or Synagogue who marries two men or two women is mocking the faith and a total joke. The FAITH implicitly forbids gay marriage, you idiot.

 

[Roudy]

You all have seen how the Muslin Islam haters react to pictures of what we have done ....they shrug and call it "war" and that resolves all moral issues ..."hey its war" LOl

This is the nut bag other genius response

"victims of war for the past 5000 years" but I only used samples from the last half of the 20 th century and 21 st century...there was no napalm 5000 years ago

This poster talks as though the wars create themselves

Yes, Muslims have killed over 280 million in a period of four to five hundred years. The slaughtered tens of millions in the conquest of the Indian subcontinent alone. And they've been more brutal to black Africans that those evil white Europeans. Tahrone.

 

[Mac1958]

In other words, it's plain common sense. Muslims view America as the enemy.

Was Carson talking about Muslims that live in the ME? FYI, Muslims that live in America are American citizens.......and unless you can provide some facts (and not some fabricated myth from Briebart NN source) proving that every Muslim views America as the enemy, you are full of corn flakes.

One of the more dishonest straw man arguments in this thread.

Perhaps you could provide proof that anyone has said that "every Muslim views America as the enemy". Your words.

Thanks in advance.
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[Roudy]

Carson thinks a Muslim's beliefs are in conflict with the Constitution,

and yet, Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison is pro-choice; Carson is anti-choice,

and abortion is a constitutionally protected right.

Who is conflict with the Constitution?

Abortion is a constitutionally protected right? Ha ha ha. What a joke!

 

[g5000]

When you see a priest or rabbi perform a religious marriage ceremony for two men or women, IT IS AN ABOMINATION and an insult to all three faiths, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Let them have a different union and call it something else and give them the same exact rights as married couples.

You can go right ahead and do that in your Church. No one is stopping your from banning gay marriage in your Church. You can roll around in the aisles with your snakes and cuss homosexuality to your heart's content.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with going to the State and applying for all the cash and prizes Caesar bestows on marriages. Those cash and prizes have NOTHING to do with your religion. Two men filing a joint tax return has NOTHING to do with your Church.

That's how the whole separation thing works, dumbass.

Yes, the state has no right to impose their interpretation of a religious ritual upon the public.

You have that exactly backwards.

Any Church or Synagogue who marries two men or two women is mocking the faith and a total joke. The FAITH implicitly forbids gay marriage, you idiot.

This is exactly why we have a First Amendment. You want YOUR beliefs forced on others. Just because YOUR church thinks gay marriage is a sin, does not mean everyone must be forced to believe what you believe.

Please explain to everyone how two men filing a joint tax return violates your religion. Tax returns have NOTHING to do with your Church. Nor do Social Security survivor benefits.

 

[LittleNipper]

I've been saying it, the GOP is truly ******* insane.
Ben Carson Says Muslims Should Be Disqualified From Presidency

A supporter at a Donald Trump created quite a stir on Thursday when, among other incendiary remarks, he falsely claimed President Obama was a Muslim.

But the comment raises an interesting question: What if it were true? Why should it matter if Obama was a Muslim?

On Meet The Press, Chuck Todd posed that exact question to Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who is closely trailing Trump in the polls. Carson said he would not support a Muslim president and that only candidates with a faith “consistent with the Constitution” should be President.

CHUCK TODD: Let me wrap this up by finally dealing with what’s been going on, Donald Trump, and a deal with a questioner that claimed that the president was Muslim. Let me ask you the question this way. Should a President’s faith matter? Should your faith matter to voters?

BEN CARSON: Well, I guess it depends on what that faith is. If it’s inconsistent with the values and principles of America, then of course it should matter. But if it fits within the realm of America and consistent with the constitution, no problem.

TODD: So do you believe that Islam is consistent with the constitution?

CARSON: No, I don’t, I do not.

TODD: So you–

CARSON: I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.

I would NOT knowingly vote for a practicing Homosexual. That is my view. I firmly believe that Dr. Carson has the right to express his own opinion as to whom he would vote for --- why & why not. I don't imagine that Dr. Carson is saying that a Muslim should not run or cannot run. What he seems to indicate, is that he would not vote for a Muslim because Dr. Carson sees that, practicing Muslims seem to silence expressions of opinion that are anti-Mohamed, Quran, Allah, etc...

I think you need to admit that Christians (Fundamentalist or not) are willing to listen to views that they oppose without throwing the opposition in jail for the mere expression of such views publically! This is not the case with nearly all Muslin controlled nations ---- except where Christian Representative Countries have had an influence. And even then such expressions are not fully protected.

The very fact that there exists a wide variety of Christian denominations is proof that Christians are willing to consider and reconsider what the Bible and the teachings of Christ represent. The Protestant Reformation has even influenced Roman Catholicism to now promote the general private reading of the Bible by individuals seeking after God. Christians are not opposed to anyone reading the Quran. We would confront anyone saying that the Bible is inferior to the Quran but I would never oppose open debate on that subject!.

I would suggest that such a debate would have no footing in a Muslim controlled country without threats of violence and or imprisonment. And this has NOTHING to do with the fact that the United States is now considered a secular country. For the most part Christians are benevolent towards those who have opposing religious beliefs. What Christians hate is exclusion of debate and confrontation for the purpose of (directly or indirectly) protecting the "feelings" of cults and minorities who spread beliefs and practices that are in direct opposition to a merciful, saving, and righteous GOD.

This is the PRIME reason that the Bible was once openly read in public schools (which were once community owned and controlled), but have since been taken over by a growingly antagonistic and manipulative government. Some individuals and groups felt that their values and opinions were ok; however, they either presented questionable evidence or they had to redefine what the Bible spelled out. To say that "Gay" marriage is ok, marriage needed to be redefined ---- exclusive of the Bible. To say that abortion for the sake of abortion was acceptable, murder had to be redefined ---- exclusive of the Bible. To say that fornication was without ramifications, sexuality needed to be redefined---exclusive of the Bible.

Atheists, cultists, the sexually promiscuous, scientologists, liberals, etc., in general hate any mention of Biblical opposition. And such prefer that everyone be kept in the dark and the Bible be excluded to one's home or place of worship. Nothing would suit such people more, because they feel that "Out of sight/Out of mind" means they are absolved of any wrong doing or error in belief or actions. So, where active Muslims are concerned, the reading of the entire Bible might demonstrate the inferiority of their own consideration. And that would be an insult to their heritage --- as "good" as it is.

So, Our Founding Fathers actually promoted the reading of the Bible. And I have absolutely no problem with comparisons between the Bible, the Quran, Evolutionary theory, and Creationism openly and above board. The Founding Fathers realized that an open society with open educational discussion is to be exalted rather than eradicated. And where various opinions, beliefs, and behavior patterns are discussed openly and honestly---the inferiority of various values and investigations would become more apparent to anyone with an honest unbiased mind.

Bias and bigotry flourish where oppression of religious discussion reigns and scientific research is not allowed to interact with religious thought. So, again, Dr. Carson is entitled to his opinion with open discussion. And Moslems are entitled to their own opinion: however, not without open discussion as they may prefer it to be.

 

[Roudy]

he's entitled to his opinion......or... like a muslim... you don't believe in free speech....?

You apparently don't. See, how it works is you can say what you want and everyone else has the right to say "woah dude, that's fucked up"

you're the ignoramous......if muslims had their say in the law you would be stoned to death....

You've never met a Muslim have you?

what does that have to do with anything....? you probably even know a gay-loving muslim or two...i'm sure there are plenty of nice friendly muslims in this world but their leadership and laws are what control them (unless they are living free in places like the U.S.)

Actually I've never met an American Muslim that had a problem with me being gay or a female. I have met lots of evangelicals that did though.

Do you think American Muslims belief and interpretation of Islam is any different that those abroad? You sound like an extremely ignorant, naive person.

 

[g5000]

In other words, it's plain common sense. Muslims view America as the enemy.

Was Carson talking about Muslims that live in the ME? FYI, Muslims that live in America are American citizens.......and unless you can provide some facts (and not some fabricated myth from Briebart NN source) proving that every Muslim views America as the enemy, you are full of corn flakes.

One of the more dishonest straw man arguments in this thread.

Perhaps you could provide proof that anyone has said that "every Muslim views America as the enemy". Your words.

Thanks in advance.
.

The "every" is implied in bripat's statements.

 

[Roudy]

When you see a priest or rabbi perform a religious marriage ceremony for two men or women, IT IS AN ABOMINATION and an insult to all three faiths, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Let them have a different union and call it something else and give them the same exact rights as married couples.

You can go right ahead and do that in your Church. No one is stopping your from banning gay marriage in your Church. You can roll around in the aisles with your snakes and cuss homosexuality to your heart's content.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with going to the State and applying for all the cash and prizes Caesar bestows on marriages. Those cash and prizes have NOTHING to do with your religion. Two men filing a joint tax return has NOTHING to do with your Church.

That's how the whole separation thing works, dumbass.

Yes, the state has no right to impose their interpretation of a religious ritual upon the public.

You have that exactly backwards.

Any Church or Synagogue who marries two men or two women is mocking the faith and a total joke. The FAITH implicitly forbids gay marriage, you idiot.

This is exactly why we have a First Amendment. You want YOUR beliefs forced on others. Just because YOUR church thinks gay marriage is a sin, does not mean everyone must be forced to believe what you believe.

The state cannot tell Christians how to practice their faith. And their faith tells them that gay marriage, in the religious sense, is a sin. Hey, I never said a Church has no right to perform a marriage ceremony for two gays, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a mockery and insult to one of the basic tenants of the faith. Look up Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[g5000]

Do you think American Muslims belief and interpretation of Islam is any different that those abroad? You sound like an extremely ignorant, naive person.

Do you think every Christian has the same beliefs?

You sound like an extremely stupid person.

I guess all Christians think the same as these guys:

 

[Roudy]

How many Christian leaders run Muslim countries?

Never realized we are a Christian country

Have you read our constitution?

It's a Christian country whether you like it or not. Overwhelming majority are Christians.