Being Liberal Makes You a Fascist

[Pheonixops]

LOL, you mean the one mocking liberals for this one?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/356987-fascism-is-a-conservative-form-of-government.html

No, I was referring to that specific post the link goes to.

LOL, because of course,

Conservatives are Fascists!

Yawn.

Liberals are Facsists!

What! How can you say that! That's ridiculous.

LOL. Your indignation is noted... LOL

I'm not the one hurling "_______ are Facists!" around, if you can find a post of mine that shows I am doing such a thing, please point it out so I can correct it.

 

[Pheonixops]

"Knowing this administration's record, I wasn't surprised by its Libyan disinformation campaign, Israeli-Iranian arms-for-hostages swap, or illegal funding of the Contras. All this has contributed to my disenchantment with the Republican Party, and helped me make up my mind.

I want to totally disassociate myself from the policies that have given us unprecedented deficits, massive monetary inflation, indiscriminate military spending, an irrational and unconstitutional foreign policy, zooming foreign aid, the exaltation of international banking, and the attack on our personal liberties and privacy."

This is the conservative icon Ronald Reagan? Is this the "party of Reagan" touted by conservatives today?

I want to totally disassociate myself from the policies that have given us unprecedented deficits, massive monetary inflation, indiscriminate military spending, an irrational and unconstitutional foreign policy, zooming foreign aid, the exaltation of international banking, and the attack on our personal liberties and privacy."

Oh I see ... you want to do away with all that - okay -then you're a Republican at Heart .

I'm a Liberal at heart; I don't care if the candidate is a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, or other party, if they support what I stand for I will vote for them. I will also vote for the "lesser of two evils", sometimes they turn out to be the same anyway.

 

[kaz]

No, I was referring to that specific post the link goes to.

LOL, because of course,

Conservatives are Fascists!

Yawn.

Liberals are Facsists!

What! How can you say that! That's ridiculous.

LOL. Your indignation is noted... LOL

I'm not the one hurling "_______ are Facists!" around, if you can find a post of mine that shows I am doing such a thing, please point it out so I can correct it.

That has nothing to do with what I said in any way. I said you didn't react to liberals calling others fascists. Then when liberals got called fascists after that, you objected. You didn't get that? My post was pretty clear what I said you did, and I did not say you called anyone a fascist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Deny, deny, deny, deflect, distract and deny some more. Name call and hurl insults to distract and deflect, declare victory even when doing so seems ridiculous. Just keep declaring victory. It works like the big lie method of continuous reinforcement of a fraudulent statement. It changes the debate and discussion from defense to offense and offers an escape from being held responsible for the lie.

OMG! Another one!


What am I, a bug-light for freaks????


This one has a brain like a BB in a boxcar.

You're an internet bully pushing extreme political agenda's. That makes you a fun target. You dish the name calling and disparaging remarks out but whine like a little kid when anyone even politely critiques your viewpoints. If you can't take it quit shoveling it out.

Don't fib.

You know you're not having fun, what with me ripping you and your idol on a regular basis.

And, since I can see how it bothers you.....more coming.


See....here's the problem.....You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying hurtful things? I don't have one of those.



So...buckle up, and keep your hands inside the ride at all time!

 

[Camp]

OMG! Another one!


What am I, a bug-light for freaks????


This one has a brain like a BB in a boxcar.

You're an internet bully pushing extreme political agenda's. That makes you a fun target. You dish the name calling and disparaging remarks out but whine like a little kid when anyone even politely critiques your viewpoints. If you can't take it quit shoveling it out.

Don't fib.

You know you're not having fun, what with me ripping you and your idol on a regular basis.

And, since I can see how it bothers you.....more coming.


See....here's the problem.....You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying hurtful things? I don't have one of those.



So...buckle up, and keep your hands inside the ride at all time!

You promised that the last time and let me down. And you don't know who my idol is. You only know what I know and use to pushes your buttons. FDR drives you fucking nuts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're an internet bully pushing extreme political agenda's. That makes you a fun target. You dish the name calling and disparaging remarks out but whine like a little kid when anyone even politely critiques your viewpoints. If you can't take it quit shoveling it out.

Don't fib.

You know you're not having fun, what with me ripping you and your idol on a regular basis.

And, since I can see how it bothers you.....more coming.


See....here's the problem.....You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying hurtful things? I don't have one of those.



So...buckle up, and keep your hands inside the ride at all time!

You promised that the last time and let me down. And you don't know who my idol is. You only know what I know and use to pushes your buttons. FDR drives you fucking nuts.

Let's analyze that....

1. In myriad posts of mine...you have yet to find a single error.

2. Your negative posts always follow some revelation of mine about your idol....
and it is a lie for you to deny you idol

3. And....proof of what I've said....here you are!

4. Keep coming back: this is my dream job, driving the Karma bus!

 

[Camp]

Don't fib.

You know you're not having fun, what with me ripping you and your idol on a regular basis.

And, since I can see how it bothers you.....more coming.


See....here's the problem.....You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying hurtful things? I don't have one of those.



So...buckle up, and keep your hands inside the ride at all time!

You promised that the last time and let me down. And you don't know who my idol is. You only know what I know and use to pushes your buttons. FDR drives you fucking nuts.

Let's analyze that....

1. In myriad posts of mine...you have yet to find a single error.

2. Your negative posts always follow some revelation of mine about your idol....
and it is a lie for you to deny you idol

3. And....proof of what I've said....here you are!

4. Keep coming back: this is my dream job, driving the Karma bus!

I demolished your whole thesis or concept with this:

Refining the Concept of Generic Fascism (Review Article) | Andreas Umland - Academia.edu

There are many schools of thought and definitions of Fascism that are accepted as viable and debated by scholars and academics. The Political Chic School of Fascism Interpretation is not one of them.

 

[Londoner]

Under Progressive President Woodrow Wilson America was the first Fascist nation.
Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

One wonders if PoliticalChic has read the articles she sources.

Nearly 20% of the essay talks about the deep conflict between Classical Liberalism and Conservatism. The essay itself reads like a cheap ripoff of Hayek's "Why I am not a Conservative"

One of the principal claims is that Conservatives tend to use government to impose their values on otherwise free citizens, citizens who cannot be trusted to argue for their beliefs on the open market. Here is a quote from the essay PoliticalChic sourced: "Or one could argue (as conservatives do) that culture and mores and the ideas that nurture and support them are too important to be left to the vagaries of a laissez faire market for ideas."

This is exactly why Hayek and Ayn Rand did not trust the Conservative movement - because too many Conservatives believe that their concept of Tradition, History and Religion should be imposed by government on free citizens WHEREAS Classical Liberals (libertarians) trust the individual and the unobstructed marketplace of ideas.

Does anybody ever read the propaganda posted by PoliticalChic, who, I must admit, actually posts some intellectually challenging and interesting stuff? It seems like she/he is merely trolling on behalf of a political movement, but she rarely takes it further than cutting and pasting stuff. I actually agree with her on this one. I think Harry Reid is guilty of everything suggested in this thread - and I personally would love to see better leaders on the Left, but you don't see PoliticalChic grapple with the actual evidence or compare Reid's behavior to Republicans in similar positions. One gets the sense that she is merely spamming for the Republican Party. Rather than enlightening people, she seems to be trolling for low-information revanchists who need their "two Minutes hate" (so aptly detailed by Orwell).

Regardless, I'd like to hear PoliticalChic explain the deep rift within the Republican Party between Conservatism and Libertarianism. One of the most popular instances of this conflict was between Ayn Rand and William F Buckley. Their battle is absolutely crucial to the history of the GOP. Secondly, does PoliticalChic understand all the intellectual inconsistencies that Reagan embraced when he offered himself as the franchise of these two conflicting ideologies?

Does anyone think that PoliticalChic has read Daniel Bell, the brilliant Cultural Conservative Sociologist who penned the iconic "The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism", a book that explains the conflict between Conservatism and the Free Market? Of course PoliticalChic hasn't studied any of this stuff. She/he just cuts, pastes, spams and trolls.

Even so, I like the essay she/he sourced and I'm hoping that he/she could explain it to us, specifically the conflict between Conservatism and Classical Liberalism, along with the conflict's suppression under Reagan, and the intellectual incoherence that persisted in parts of the Conservative movement for at least 2 generations.

 

[Pheonixops]

Under Progressive President Woodrow Wilson America was the first Fascist nation.
Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

One wonders if PoliticalChic has read the articles she sources.

Nearly 20% of the essay talks about the deep conflict between Classical Liberalism and Conservatism. The essay itself reads like a cheap ripoff of Hayek's "Why I am not a Conservative"

One of the principal claims is that Conservatives tend to use government to impose their values on otherwise free citizens, citizens who cannot be trusted to argue for their beliefs on the open market. Here is a quote from the essay PoliticalChic sourced: "Or one could argue (as conservatives do) that culture and mores and the ideas that nurture and support them are too important to be left to the vagaries of a laissez faire market for ideas."

This is exactly why Hayek and Ayn Rand did not trust the Conservative movement - because too many Conservatives believe that their concept of Tradition, History and Religion should be imposed by government on free citizens WHEREAS Classical Liberals (libertarians) trust the individual and the unobstructed marketplace of ideas.

Does anybody ever read the propaganda posted by PoliticalChic, who, I must admit, actually posts some intellectually challenging and interesting stuff? It seems like she/he is merely trolling on behalf of a political movement, but she rarely takes it further than cutting and pasting stuff. I actually agree with her on this one. I think Harry Reid is guilty of everything suggested in this thread - and I personally would love to see better leaders on the Left, but you don't see PoliticalChic grapple with the actual evidence or compare Reid's behavior to Republicans in similar positions. One gets the sense that she is merely spamming for the Republican Party. Rather than enlightening people, she seems to be trolling for low-information revanchists who need their "two Minutes hate" (so aptly detailed by Orwell).

Regardless, I'd like to hear PoliticalChic explain the deep rift within the Republican Party between Conservatism and Libertarianism. One of the most popular instances of this conflict was between Ayn Rand and William F Buckley. Their battle is absolutely crucial to the history of the GOP. Secondly, does PoliticalChic understand all the intellectual inconsistencies that Reagan embraced when he offered himself as the franchise of these two conflicting ideologies?

Does anyone think that PoliticalChic has read Daniel Bell, the brilliant Cultural Conservative Sociologist who penned the iconic "The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism", a book that explains the conflict between Conservatism and the Free Market? Of course PoliticalChic hasn't studied any of this stuff. She/he just cuts, pastes, spams and trolls.

Even so, I like the essay she/he sourced and I'm hoping that he/she could explain it to us, specifically the conflict between Conservatism and Classical Liberalism, along with the conflict's suppression under Reagan, and the intellectual incoherence that persisted in parts of the Conservative movement for at least 2 generations.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have no point! Your premise is based on biased spin.


You wrote (presumably with a straight face):

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No students shut down any commencement speeches. Some students protested speakers, but none of the potential speakers were denied their first amendment right to free speech.

This is fact, and it is undeniable.

You know that's not true.

Oooh! You got me! How can I argue with that logic?

I made you famous.....

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/357261-bloomberg-attacks-liberals.html

 

[Political Junky]

Anyone know who rewrote history for the common conservative, and when it was done? Those who run the GOP know better, but the little guys bought it.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

not even talking about executive orders genius; talking about abuse of power through federal agencies

bush was elected twice too

yes he was. so?

abuse of power is bad no matter who does it, but human nature tends to get in the way of all things perfect and ideal, which is why our system of government, by the people for the people, is set up with checks and balances whereby alleged abuses can be properly challenged and LEGALLY eradicated.

yawn; not so. this type of abuse of power is very hard to legally challenge; since courts have given presidents great leeway in how they govern

obama is abusing his power through federal agencies; refusing to enforce immigration laws on the books already; and making it MUCH harder on energy producers; particularly coal

we should create the Dept of Remove Liberals from Government and let it create laws to enforce.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I thought the rightwing storyline was that being Liberal made you a Socialist

Now you say it makes you a Fascist

Other than the fact the Conservatives do not know the meaning of either one......How can you be both?

Fascist, communist, and socialist are all on the left side of the political spectrum. Put liberals over there too,

 

[candycorn]

Oh my, our cut and paste queenie is at it again. No, President Wilson was not a Fascist, nor have any of our Presidents been Fascists. As with evolution and global warming, you simply once again display your abysmal ignorance and gullibility.

Bump worthy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And to make this even better, while PC praises FDR above for the internment of the Japanese, as necessary to 'emasculate' a threat of evil, she says below, at another time, in another thread (where she has a different agenda) the following:

Japanese interment policy?

It was not based on national security....as you probably believe.
It was based on the wishes to accrue votes for the Democrats.

The internment of 110,000 Japanese seems to have been largely political. Earl Warren of California was sensitive to his constituents resenting the large success of the Japanese in agriculture. And, interned, they couldn’t vote against FDR, and he did pick up three House seats…and after the election he began to move for the release of the Japanese.
From "FDR Goes To War," by Folsom and Folsom

Wadda guy, your hero.

Hmmm....one day she praises it profusely, another day she reviles it with equal zeal.

I wonder if that is schizophrenia of some sort, or just a weak mind failing to keep track of one lie to the next?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/7684443-post94.html

It does't say any such thing...

Moron.

Deny, deny, deny, deflect, distract and deny some more. Name call and hurl insults to distract and deflect, declare victory even when doing so seems ridiculous. Just keep declaring victory. It works like the big lie method of continuous reinforcement of a fraudulent statement. It changes the debate and discussion from defense to offense and offers an escape from being held responsible for the lie.

She reminds me of the time Gingrich said he would sue for libel anyone who quoted him on a certain topic,

yes, quoted him.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Over time I've been able to wring out of the author of this thread, despite her ad nauseum attacks on liberalism,

that she doesn't want to end Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, food stamps...supports gay rights...doesn't want to make all abortion a crime...

...you know, PC, other than your propensity for monkey mimicking the standard attacks against liberalism,

you pretty much ARE a Liberal. lolol

 

[NYcarbineer]

It does't say any such thing...

Moron.

Which part do you wish to do deny? I have you on record saying that the internment camps were justifiable and praiseworthy.

I have you on record saying the internment camps were just political ploy to get votes and had nothing to do with national security.

Those are BOTH your opinions, and they are irreconcilable. You do this all the time. You flip flop from one side of an issue to the other just so you can disagree with or take some cheap shot at some liberal.

You are intellectually dysfunctional. Stop being intellectually dysfunctional.

What I really like is how you build your entire existence around me, because you recognize both brilliance, and the fact that I am never wrong.

Enlightenment, my role.


Groveling, yours.

It's impossible not to be wrong when you take two opposing positions on the same issue, one day to the next.

You need to occasionally remind yourself that what you've said here in the past is a retrievable record. You can't really get away with praising FDR for the Japanese internment one day, and then excoriating him for it another day.

It looks downright imbecilic.

 

[NoNukes]

Which part do you wish to do deny? I have you on record saying that the internment camps were justifiable and praiseworthy.

I have you on record saying the internment camps were just political ploy to get votes and had nothing to do with national security.

Those are BOTH your opinions, and they are irreconcilable. You do this all the time. You flip flop from one side of an issue to the other just so you can disagree with or take some cheap shot at some liberal.

You are intellectually dysfunctional. Stop being intellectually dysfunctional.

What I really like is how you build your entire existence around me, because you recognize both brilliance, and the fact that I am never wrong.

Enlightenment, my role.


Groveling, yours.

It's impossible not to be wrong when you take two opposing positions on the same issue, one day to the next.

You need to occasionally remind yourself that what you've said here in the past is a retrievable record. You can't really get away with praising FDR for the Japanese internment one day, and then excoriating him for it another day.

It looks downright imbecilic.

If the shoe fits....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Which part do you wish to do deny? I have you on record saying that the internment camps were justifiable and praiseworthy.

I have you on record saying the internment camps were just political ploy to get votes and had nothing to do with national security.

Those are BOTH your opinions, and they are irreconcilable. You do this all the time. You flip flop from one side of an issue to the other just so you can disagree with or take some cheap shot at some liberal.

You are intellectually dysfunctional. Stop being intellectually dysfunctional.

What I really like is how you build your entire existence around me, because you recognize both brilliance, and the fact that I am never wrong.

Enlightenment, my role.


Groveling, yours.

It's impossible not to be wrong when you take two opposing positions on the same issue, one day to the next.

You need to occasionally remind yourself that what you've said here in the past is a retrievable record. You can't really get away with praising FDR for the Japanese internment one day, and then excoriating him for it another day.

It looks downright imbecilic.

Never happened.

You're the same lying simpleton you always were, and always will be.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What I really like is how you build your entire existence around me, because you recognize both brilliance, and the fact that I am never wrong.

Enlightenment, my role.


Groveling, yours.

It's impossible not to be wrong when you take two opposing positions on the same issue, one day to the next.

You need to occasionally remind yourself that what you've said here in the past is a retrievable record. You can't really get away with praising FDR for the Japanese internment one day, and then excoriating him for it another day.

It looks downright imbecilic.

Never happened.

You're the same lying simpleton you always were, and always will be.

I've reduced you to childish namecalling with irrefutable evidence. Again. Isn't it frustrating to have started a thread that results in you being consumed with anger and me just having a laugh?