Pheonixops
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Liberalism of course!!! That's my philosophy.
Being Liberal Makes You a Fascist
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Liberalism of course!!! That's my philosophy.
PoliticalChic
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So sad.
That makes you a liar.
Classical liberals, known today as conservatives, and our Founders.
The only groups that endorse individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?
And the reason for your trying to avoid the question, and then lying about liberal beliefs, is that you are ashamed of where your party has taken you.
You should be.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
LOL, damn baby slow down! I'm havin a beer and you must be having some coffee.
No teaching Tennis this afternoon, open windows, nice beer and a nice discussion. I like these conversations because they make me read and learn more.
Siete
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I'm sure you will answer for someone else, then slobber " Leftist extremists are good at pretending that the opposition holds a view, and then attacking them for the view they have assigned, even though it isn't a view that the person has ever held or stated"
et tu Brute' ?
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bripat9643
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i notice you didn't post a source for your quote. I assume it's a Wiki article, which means it's horseshit.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
No, it makes me accurate. Anytime you or other conservatives would like to discuss something as easy as the Bill of Rights with this Liberal, I will be happy to do it.
Where are you coming from? I definitely believe in Individualism and the rights of the Individual. I have no problem with two homosexuals who have attained the age of majority, marrying each other. How about you? I'm into 'Free Markets', if we as Individuals want to buy cigars from Cuba, I think that we should be able to do it, how about you? I'm all for a limited government and was against the previous Administration's and am against this Administration's gross expansion of Government, were you aghast and horrified at the previous Administration's expansion of government, or did you just reserve it for this Administration?
What Liberal beliefs do you think that I am 'lying' about? What party is my 'party'? I like and vote for people in at least three different parties.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
Was he ever convicted of any crime regarding his alleged "working for the Germans"?I do find it funny that some people never answered that question I asked.
He was working for the Germans while they were at war with the United States, so I would definitely say Democrat.
You know he started the Progressive Party and ran for President with a Democrat as his running mate, it's not a hard question.
That's correct, he was a Liberal Republican.
There are lots of them today too. I don't see your point.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
LOL, you mean the one mocking liberals for this one?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/356987-fascism-is-a-conservative-form-of-government.html
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
No, it makes me accurate. Anytime you or other conservatives would like to discuss something as easy as the Bill of Rights with this Liberal, I will be happy to do it.
Where are you coming from? I definitely believe in Individualism and the rights of the Individual. I have no problem with two homosexuals who have attained the age of majority, marrying each other. How about you? I'm into 'Free Markets', if we as Individuals want to buy cigars from Cuba, I think that we should be able to do it, how about you? I'm all for a limited government and was against the previous Administration's and am against this Administration's gross expansion of Government, were you aghast and horrified at the previous Administration's expansion of government, or did you just reserve it for this Administration?
What Liberal beliefs do you think that I am 'lying' about? What party is my 'party'? I like and vote for people in at least three different parties.
No answers?
PoliticalChic
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No, it makes me accurate. Anytime you or other conservatives would like to discuss something as easy as the Bill of Rights with this Liberal, I will be happy to do it.
Where are you coming from? I definitely believe in Individualism and the rights of the Individual. I have no problem with two homosexuals who have attained the age of majority, marrying each other. How about you? I'm into 'Free Markets', if we as Individuals want to buy cigars from Cuba, I think that we should be able to do it, how about you? I'm all for a limited government and was against the previous Administration's and am against this Administration's gross expansion of Government, were you aghast and horrified at the previous Administration's expansion of government, or did you just reserve it for this Administration?
What Liberal beliefs do you think that I am 'lying' about? What party is my 'party'? I like and vote for people in at least three different parties.
No answers?
I try to restrict my time to posters who stick to honesty.
NYcarbineer
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This is what conservatives have been reduced to in their state of intellectual bankruptcy...
"...we can't debate you on the issues, but we're going to call you bad names like 'fascist!!' if you don't stop being liberal!"
good luck with that.
"...we can't debate you on the issues, but we're going to call you bad names like 'fascist!!' if you don't stop being liberal!"
good luck with that.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
No, it makes me accurate. Anytime you or other conservatives would like to discuss something as easy as the Bill of Rights with this Liberal, I will be happy to do it.
Where are you coming from? I definitely believe in Individualism and the rights of the Individual. I have no problem with two homosexuals who have attained the age of majority, marrying each other. How about you? I'm into 'Free Markets', if we as Individuals want to buy cigars from Cuba, I think that we should be able to do it, how about you? I'm all for a limited government and was against the previous Administration's and am against this Administration's gross expansion of Government, were you aghast and horrified at the previous Administration's expansion of government, or did you just reserve it for this Administration?
What Liberal beliefs do you think that I am 'lying' about? What party is my 'party'? I like and vote for people in at least three different parties.
No answers?
I try to restrict my time to posters who stick to honesty.
What am I allegedly being 'dishonest' about? I asked valid questions, I didn't resort to snippy answers or insults like not a few people in this thread have resorted to. One question I asked was "when do you think we had the last conservative administration?". I also asked those questions listed above.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
Some issues for which the Moral Majority campaigned included:[17]
Censorship of media outlets that promote an "anti-family" agenda
Enforcement of a traditional vision of family life
Opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment and Strategic Arms Limitation Talks
Opposition to state recognition and acceptance of homosexual acts, as well as the civil rights of gays and lesbians.
Outlawing abortion, even in cases involving incest, rape or in pregnancies where the life of the mother is at stake.[18]
Support for mandated Christian prayers in schools
Targeting Jews and other non-Christians for conversion to conservative Christianity
The Moral Majority had adherents in the two major United States political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, although they exercised far more influence within the former.
"Reagan sought the input from the Moral Majority leadership during his campaign and appointed the Rev. Robert Billings, the Moral Majoritys first executive director, to be a religious advisor to the campaign.[31] Later, Reagan appointed Billings to a position the Department of Education. This appointment was particularly significant for the Moral Majority, which had lobbied on education policy issues, especially those regarding private schools."
"The Moral Majority maintained their support for Reagans 1984 reelection campaign and, alongside other Christian Right organizations, influenced the Republican platform for the election, shaping the partys campaign stances on school prayer and abortion.[33] The nations political climate, however, had changed since Reagans first campaign. Although Reagan won reelection, the role of the Moral Majority in the victory had changed since 1980. A study of voters in the 1984 election showed that more anti-Moral Majority voters voted for Walter Mondale than pro-Moral Majority voters voted for Reagan, suggesting the Moral Majority may have actually had a negative effect on Reagans campaign."
Moral Majority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Censorship of media outlets that promote an "anti-family" agenda
Enforcement of a traditional vision of family life
Opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment and Strategic Arms Limitation Talks
Opposition to state recognition and acceptance of homosexual acts, as well as the civil rights of gays and lesbians.
Outlawing abortion, even in cases involving incest, rape or in pregnancies where the life of the mother is at stake.[18]
Support for mandated Christian prayers in schools
Targeting Jews and other non-Christians for conversion to conservative Christianity
The Moral Majority had adherents in the two major United States political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, although they exercised far more influence within the former.
"Reagan sought the input from the Moral Majority leadership during his campaign and appointed the Rev. Robert Billings, the Moral Majoritys first executive director, to be a religious advisor to the campaign.[31] Later, Reagan appointed Billings to a position the Department of Education. This appointment was particularly significant for the Moral Majority, which had lobbied on education policy issues, especially those regarding private schools."
"The Moral Majority maintained their support for Reagans 1984 reelection campaign and, alongside other Christian Right organizations, influenced the Republican platform for the election, shaping the partys campaign stances on school prayer and abortion.[33] The nations political climate, however, had changed since Reagans first campaign. Although Reagan won reelection, the role of the Moral Majority in the victory had changed since 1980. A study of voters in the 1984 election showed that more anti-Moral Majority voters voted for Walter Mondale than pro-Moral Majority voters voted for Reagan, suggesting the Moral Majority may have actually had a negative effect on Reagans campaign."
Moral Majority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
"Falwell's Thanksgiving message: "I thank God" for Hannity, Limbaugh, FOX, NewsMax, WorldNetDaily, and The Drudge Report "
Falwell's Thanksgiving message: "I thank God" for Hannity, Limbaugh, FOX, NewsMax, WorldNetDaily, and The Drudge Report | Research | Media Matters for America
In my opinion his influence still runs pretty deep with the republicans and conservatives.
It cracks me up when some conservatives tout this 'limited government' stuff when their conservative Administrations did just the opposite, please save the bullshit that you all were actively protesting against these things, the minority that did (Ron Paul and people who agree with him) were alienated by many conservative republicans:
"George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.
Not since World War II, when the nation mobilized to fight a global war against fascism and recover from the Great Depression, has government spending played as large a role in the economy as it does today.
This time, it is a rapid mobilization against another global enemy Islamist terrorism that lies behind much of the growth. But rising spending on discretionary domestic programs has also played its part.
We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society, said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White House, during the first presidential debate.
That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy.
And now comes the Next Deal the rapid-fire series of programs announced in recent weeks to deal with a global financial crisis that few Americans even understand. It has begun with a decision to use $700 billion in taxpayer money to buy up financial assets and take an ownership stake in the nations largest banks and could be followed by a stimulus program of up to $300 billion driven by congressional Democrats.
As a result, Mr. Bush already is the first president in history to implement budgets that crossed the $2 trillion a year and $3 trillion a year marks. His final budget, which comes to an end Sept. 30, conceivably could near $4 trillion, depending on the final tab for the financial rescue.
Read more: Big government gets bigger - Washington Times
Follow us: [MENTION=39892]Was[/MENTION]htimes on Twitter
Falwell's Thanksgiving message: "I thank God" for Hannity, Limbaugh, FOX, NewsMax, WorldNetDaily, and The Drudge Report | Research | Media Matters for America
In my opinion his influence still runs pretty deep with the republicans and conservatives.
It cracks me up when some conservatives tout this 'limited government' stuff when their conservative Administrations did just the opposite, please save the bullshit that you all were actively protesting against these things, the minority that did (Ron Paul and people who agree with him) were alienated by many conservative republicans:
"George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.
Not since World War II, when the nation mobilized to fight a global war against fascism and recover from the Great Depression, has government spending played as large a role in the economy as it does today.
This time, it is a rapid mobilization against another global enemy Islamist terrorism that lies behind much of the growth. But rising spending on discretionary domestic programs has also played its part.
We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society, said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White House, during the first presidential debate.
That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy.
And now comes the Next Deal the rapid-fire series of programs announced in recent weeks to deal with a global financial crisis that few Americans even understand. It has begun with a decision to use $700 billion in taxpayer money to buy up financial assets and take an ownership stake in the nations largest banks and could be followed by a stimulus program of up to $300 billion driven by congressional Democrats.
As a result, Mr. Bush already is the first president in history to implement budgets that crossed the $2 trillion a year and $3 trillion a year marks. His final budget, which comes to an end Sept. 30, conceivably could near $4 trillion, depending on the final tab for the financial rescue.
Read more: Big government gets bigger - Washington Times
Follow us: [MENTION=39892]Was[/MENTION]htimes on Twitter
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
"In 1976 I was impressed with Ronald Reagan's program and was one of the four members of Congress who endorsed his candidacy. In 1980, unlike other Republican office holders in Texas, I again supported our President in his efforts.
Since 1981, however, I have gradually and steadily grown weary of the Republican Party's efforts to reduce the size of the federal government. Since then Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party have given us skyrocketing deficits, and astoundingly a doubled national debt. How is it that the party of balanced budgets, with control of the White House and Senate, accumulated red ink greater than all previous administrations put together? Tip O'Neill, although part of the problem, cannot alone be blamed.
Tax revenues are up 59 percent since 1980. Because of our economic growth? No. During Carter's four years, we had growth of 37.2 percent; Reagan's five years have given us 30.7 percent. The new revenues are due to four giant Republican tax increases since 1981.
All republicans rightly chastised Carter for his $38 billion deficit. But they ignore or even defend deficits of $220 billion, as government spending has grown 10.4 percent per year since Reagan took office, while the federal payroll has zoomed by a quarter of a million bureaucrats."
Ron Paul's 1987 Resignation Letter to the RNC - Wikisource, the free online library
Is this your "conservatism"? Look at the way many conservatives reacted toward Ron Paul and his supporters.
Since 1981, however, I have gradually and steadily grown weary of the Republican Party's efforts to reduce the size of the federal government. Since then Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party have given us skyrocketing deficits, and astoundingly a doubled national debt. How is it that the party of balanced budgets, with control of the White House and Senate, accumulated red ink greater than all previous administrations put together? Tip O'Neill, although part of the problem, cannot alone be blamed.
Tax revenues are up 59 percent since 1980. Because of our economic growth? No. During Carter's four years, we had growth of 37.2 percent; Reagan's five years have given us 30.7 percent. The new revenues are due to four giant Republican tax increases since 1981.
All republicans rightly chastised Carter for his $38 billion deficit. But they ignore or even defend deficits of $220 billion, as government spending has grown 10.4 percent per year since Reagan took office, while the federal payroll has zoomed by a quarter of a million bureaucrats."
Ron Paul's 1987 Resignation Letter to the RNC - Wikisource, the free online library
Is this your "conservatism"? Look at the way many conservatives reacted toward Ron Paul and his supporters.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
"Despite the Supply-Sider-Keynesian claim that "deficits don't matter," the debt presents a grave threat to our country. Thanks to the President and Republican Party, we have lost the chance to reduce the deficit and the spending in a non-crisis fashion. Even worse, big government has been legitimized in a way the Democrats never could have accomplished. It was tragic to listen to Ronald Reagan on the 1986 campaign trail bragging about his high spending on farm subsidies, welfare, warfare, etc., in his futile effort to hold on to control of the Senate.
Instead of cutting some of the immeasurable waste in the Department of Defense, it has gotten worse, with the inevitable result that we are less secure today. Reagan's foreign aid expenditures exceed Eisenhower's, Kennedy's, Johnson's, Nixon's, Ford's, and Carter's put together. Foreign intervention has exploded since 1980. Only an end to military welfare for foreign governments plus a curtailment of our unconstitutional commitments abroad will enable us really to defend ourselves and solve our financial problems.
"Under the guise of attacking drug use and money laundering, the Republican Administration has systematically attacked personal and financial privacy. The effect has been to victimize innocent Americans who wish to conduct their private lives without government snooping. (Should people really be put on a suspected drug dealer list because they transfer $3,000 at one time?) Reagan's urine testing of Americans without probable cause is a clear violation of our civil liberties, as are his proposals for extensive "lie detector" tests."
Instead of cutting some of the immeasurable waste in the Department of Defense, it has gotten worse, with the inevitable result that we are less secure today. Reagan's foreign aid expenditures exceed Eisenhower's, Kennedy's, Johnson's, Nixon's, Ford's, and Carter's put together. Foreign intervention has exploded since 1980. Only an end to military welfare for foreign governments plus a curtailment of our unconstitutional commitments abroad will enable us really to defend ourselves and solve our financial problems.
"Under the guise of attacking drug use and money laundering, the Republican Administration has systematically attacked personal and financial privacy. The effect has been to victimize innocent Americans who wish to conduct their private lives without government snooping. (Should people really be put on a suspected drug dealer list because they transfer $3,000 at one time?) Reagan's urine testing of Americans without probable cause is a clear violation of our civil liberties, as are his proposals for extensive "lie detector" tests."
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