Banishing Brilliance in Trump's America

[whitehall]

Trump has been in office barely four months. What happened to the "best and brightest" in the last eight years? Don't tell me that the "best and brightest" consisting of Obama's A.G. and the ATF hatched the insanely flawed "Operation Fast and Furious" that sent over 3,000 illegal weapons to Mexican drug cartels and lost track of them resulting in hundreds of Mexican citizens and one American Officer (so far) killed? Was it the "best and brightest" that created the laughable "cash for clunkers" or funded dying solar companies or used the IRS to punish political enemies?

 

[Aries]

Trump has been in office barely four months. What happened to the "best and brightest" in the last eight years? Don't tell me that the "best and brightest" consisting of Obama's A.G. and the ATF hatched the insanely flawed "Operation Fast and Furious" that sent over 3,000 illegal weapons to Mexican drug cartels and lost track of them resulting in hundreds of Mexican citizens and one American Officer (so far) killed? Was it the "best and brightest" that created the laughable "cash for clunkers" or funded dying solar companies or used the IRS to punish political enemies?

did you even read the thread? You're so off topic.

 

[Aries]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

What a load of horse poo. Conservatives overwhelmingly have a better understanding of science than progressives do. I agree that higher education should be available, and lo and behold it is. So long as you can pay for it you can go to college. There are no laws that prevent you.

Says the guy who voted for the "climate change is a chinese hoax" candidate. What a joke.
"So long as you can pay it you can go to college."
why do you think that education should only be available to the extremely wealthy? How would that help our society? How would that help our impoverished advance? How would that help us remain competitive?

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American st?s happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

So this phenomenon just developed since November? Has NASA been begging you to drop your studies and come work for them?

the phenomenon of foreign students being afraid to attend our schools, yes. Thanks donnie.

 

[Aries]

It might be time to have American students in those programs or aren't American students smart enough. Is it time to just write them off.

There is no ban. If these guys applied elsewhere it's because they knew they would never pass the vetting processm

its because the threat of a ban and the threat of traveling limitations is a turn off. It is very understandable they want a country that will welcome them, where they can go home and visit their family without fear, where their presence and what they bring to the table is appreciated and valued.

 

[whitehall]

Here's a quote from the "best and brightest" of the democrat party. "I watched republicans, they were laughing and waving the American Flag, I thought it was outrageous behavior": Maxine Waters

 

[Aries]

Here's a quote from the "best and brightest" of the democrat party. "I watched republicans, they were laughing and waving the American Flag, I thought it was outrageous behavior": Maxine Waters

cut your shit troll. Discuss the topic or go elsewhere.

 

[Iceweasel]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

 

[Iceweasel]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American st?s happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

So this phenomenon just developed since November? Has NASA been begging you to drop your studies and come work for them?

the phenomenon of foreign students being afraid to attend our schools, yes. Thanks donnie.

Do you have any facts on that or just hate fueled wild ass speculations?

 

[Aries]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

 

[Iceweasel]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

Because you filtered out everything you can't face. He said until we figure things out. Many people had just been slaughtered. Your solution is what? However, during the campaign he backed off and said troubled regions. That too was still temporary. We tried it your way, ignorance, and it isn't working.

 

[Avatar4321]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

So you accept that there are two genders and that an unborn baby is a living and unique child?

 

[Aries]

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

Because you filtered out everything you can't face. He said until we figure things out. Many people had just been slaughtered. Your solution is what? However, during the campaign he backed off and said troubled regions. That too was still temporary. We tried it your way, ignorance, and it isn't working.

Trump couldn't figure his way out of a paper bag. We have the best getting process ever known to man kind. We have never had a problem or attack that this ban could have stopped.
Obama's approach was to slow down the influx while adjusting the vetting process.
Donnies antiislamic rhetoric is a bow wrapped present for ISIS recruiters "see we told you Americans hate us"
And obviously a very big deterant for those who once viewed America with pride and prestige.

 

[Avatar4321]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

Because we understand his words.

 

[Avatar4321]

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

Because you filtered out everything you can't face. He said until we figure things out. Many people had just been slaughtered. Your solution is what? However, during the campaign he backed off and said troubled regions. That too was still temporary. We tried it your way, ignorance, and it isn't working.

Trump couldn't figure his way out of a paper bag. We have the best getting process ever known to man kind. We have never had a problem or attack that this ban could have stopped.
Obama's approach was to slow down the influx while adjusting the vetting process.
Donnies antiislamic rhetoric is a bow wrapped present for ISIS recruiters "see we told you Americans hate us"
And obviously a very big deterant for those who once viewed America with pride and prestige.

Obama increased the influx.

And anyone who looks at america with pride would never join Isis.

So when are you joining?

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

So you accept that there are two genders and that an unborn baby is a living and unique child?

Science tells me that before the point of viability a fetus is just a collection of cells.
Gender is a social construct.
Sex is where the science would come in and some people are born male some people are born female and some people are born both so that already knocks your 2 gender theory out of the water.

Gosh, facts are so useful.
You should try them some time.

 

[Iceweasel]

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

Because you filtered out everything you can't face. He said until we figure things out. Many people had just been slaughtered. Your solution is what? However, during the campaign he backed off and said troubled regions. That too was still temporary. We tried it your way, ignorance, and it isn't working.

Trump couldn't figure his way out of a paper bag. We have the best getting process ever known to man kind. We have never had a problem or attack that this ban could have stopped.
Obama's approach was to slow down the influx while adjusting the vetting process.
Donnies antiislamic rhetoric is a bow wrapped present for ISIS recruiters "see we told you Americans hate us"
And obviously a very big deterant for those who once viewed America with pride and prestige.

Yes, we know your vast fortune makes Trump's pale in comparison. He gave his kids a good head start though. ISIS and Islamic whack jobs were killing people just fine, like I said. So they hate us more because we want to slow it down? That's irrational. If they do think that then tough shit. Hillary was going to bring in many times more than Obama did. Thank God she lost.

 

[Aries]

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

Because you filtered out everything you can't face. He said until we figure things out. Many people had just been slaughtered. Your solution is what? However, during the campaign he backed off and said troubled regions. That too was still temporary. We tried it your way, ignorance, and it isn't working.

Trump couldn't figure his way out of a paper bag. We have the best getting process ever known to man kind. We have never had a problem or attack that this ban could have stopped.
Obama's approach was to slow down the influx while adjusting the vetting process.
Donnies antiislamic rhetoric is a bow wrapped present for ISIS recruiters "see we told you Americans hate us"
And obviously a very big deterant for those who once viewed America with pride and prestige.

Obama increased the influx.

And anyone who looks at america with pride would never join Isis.

So when are you joining?

There was a point he slowed the influx to check and adjust the vetting process then he increased it..
Look if you don't know what you're talking about don't bother, I'm no professor.

 

[Iceweasel]

unless you're muslim, then you can take your incredible knowledge and skill to canada
.... but our constitution says we dont discriminate based on religion?...
but our so-called president has never read that constitution.

There are lots of Muslims here. The ban didn't say no Muslim, Muslims from other nations are allowed in. Christians from banned nations aren't. Liberals can't see past their ideologies, everything goes through a filter.

I just can't see past the fact that Donnie called for "a total shut down of Muslims entering america"
I listen to his words and hold him accountable. Why don't you?

Because you filtered out everything you can't face. He said until we figure things out. Many people had just been slaughtered. Your solution is what? However, during the campaign he backed off and said troubled regions. That too was still temporary. We tried it your way, ignorance, and it isn't working.

Trump couldn't figure his way out of a paper bag. We have the best getting process ever known to man kind. We have never had a problem or attack that this ban could have stopped.
Obama's approach was to slow down the influx while adjusting the vetting process.
Donnies antiislamic rhetoric is a bow wrapped present for ISIS recruiters "see we told you Americans hate us"
And obviously a very big deterant for those who once viewed America with pride and prestige.

Obama increased the influx.

And anyone who looks at america with pride would never join Isis.

So when are you joining?

She's already on the payroll.