Banishing Brilliance in Trump's America

[Correll]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

"Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003"

51 percent!

No way that that isn't taking slots that America students would like.

 

[Iceweasel]

After all, America was invented for a handful of Muslim students.

America has been known as the destination for those seeking higher education. Our colleges and universities have been viewed with prestige from all over the world.
Donnies policies are hurting that prestige.
Which in turn hurts colleges and universities
And over all our professions like the medical field.


For what? To appease a bunch of racists that will be really upset when they have no doctor to see.
Failed logic.

If you have something useful to offer there's no better place than America. Useful falls outside of your understanding so you need a simple answer.

 

[Iceweasel]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American st?s happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

So this phenomenon just developed since November? Has NASA been begging you to drop your studies and come work for them?

 

[westwall]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Yes, because they're not STUPID. Why go to all of the expense and debt when you KNOW the tech giants are going to hire a Indian for half of what they would have to pay YOU. Either you are truly stupid or you agree that Americans should get screwed.

 

[westwall]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

"Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003"

51 percent!

Yeah, look at all of those foreign students coming into our university's and taking slots from Americans. Why you may ask, because the university's get to charge them a whole hell of a lot more. That's why.

 

[Hossfly]

THIS IS WHY CONSERVATIVES DON'T WANT MUSLIM IMMIGRATION AFTER 9/11.

Read and heed.




Islam in a Nutshell


This a good understanding of Islam........

Islam in a nutshell

This, not the Chinese or the Russians represent the greatest threat to the world and might be the fulfillment of the book of Revelation in the Holy Bible.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

>From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 58%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.
The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. . Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

>From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates are higher than the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse.
The wolves will be herding the sheep!

You should all know that Obama appointed two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus , Syria , as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions?
Doesn't this make you feel safer already??

That should make the United States much safer, huh!!
Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings only 10 years ago?
We must never forget this..
Was it not a Devout Muslim man who killed 13 at Fort Hood ? (He killed "From within" -don't forget that).

Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..

Politically - no.Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation. ... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

Can a Muslim be a good soldier???

Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a good Muslim!!!
Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.
SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

1. 500 million is nothing to the US.

2. Good. More slots for actual fucking AMERICANS.

You're missing the point. It is not that foreigners are taking Americans spots it's that not enough Americans are getting into these fields. If we were to lost foreign students we would have a severe drop in doctorate students as well as doctors (which we are increasing short on anyways)

1. The numbers of foreigners we are talking about, are certainly taking slots from Americans.


2. IF we are still short on Americans willing or able to take ALL of those slots, then we need a debate on what to be done about our educational industry/culture.

We do need to debate about education you're absolutely right.

 

[JoeNormal]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Yes, because they're not STUPID. Why go to all of the expense and debt when you KNOW the tech giants are going to hire a Indian for half of what they would have to pay YOU. Either you are truly stupid or you agree that Americans should get screwed.

American engineers needn't worry about Indian engineers. The company I work for has dreams about shifting everything over there but after about 7 years, I think they're starting to realize they can't.

 

[Correll]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

1. 500 million is nothing to the US.

2. Good. More slots for actual fucking AMERICANS.

You're missing the point. It is not that foreigners are taking Americans spots it's that not enough Americans are getting into these fields. If we were to lost foreign students we would have a severe drop in doctorate students as well as doctors (which we are increasing short on anyways)

1. The numbers of foreigners we are talking about, are certainly taking slots from Americans.


2. IF we are still short on Americans willing or able to take ALL of those slots, then we need a debate on what to be done about our educational industry/culture.

We do need to debate about education you're absolutely right.

What you ready to do about it?

 

[Correll]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Yes, because they're not STUPID. Why go to all of the expense and debt when you KNOW the tech giants are going to hire a Indian for half of what they would have to pay YOU. Either you are truly stupid or you agree that Americans should get screwed.

American engineers needn't worry about Indian engineers. The company I work for has dreams about shifting everything over there but after about 7 years, I think they're starting to realize they can't.

Good for your company. So do it anyways, and just expect their American managers to make it all work, don't bother me with the details.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

 

[JoeNormal]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Yes, because they're not STUPID. Why go to all of the expense and debt when you KNOW the tech giants are going to hire a Indian for half of what they would have to pay YOU. Either you are truly stupid or you agree that Americans should get screwed.

American engineers needn't worry about Indian engineers. The company I work for has dreams about shifting everything over there but after about 7 years, I think they're starting to realize they can't.

Good for your company. So do it anyways, and just expect their American managers to make it all work, don't bother me with the details.

That's about right. A lot of low information decisions have been made in about the last 3 or 4 years that show without a doubt that they thought the people who actually create technology and products were replaceable given strong decisive management. The crash and burn continues to be painful for those of us who have to pick up the pieces but I think a lesson was learned.

 

[Correll]

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Yes, because they're not STUPID. Why go to all of the expense and debt when you KNOW the tech giants are going to hire a Indian for half of what they would have to pay YOU. Either you are truly stupid or you agree that Americans should get screwed.

American engineers needn't worry about Indian engineers. The company I work for has dreams about shifting everything over there but after about 7 years, I think they're starting to realize they can't.

Good for your company. So do it anyways, and just expect their American managers to make it all work, don't bother me with the details.

That's about right. A lot of low information decisions have been made in about the last 3 or 4 years that show without a doubt that they thought the people who actually create technology and products were replaceable given strong decisive management. The crash and burn continues to be painful for those of us who have to pick up the pieces but I think a lesson was learned.

I hope you are correct. I have not seen evidence of a major shift in the yet.

ANd not willing to wait to give companies the option.

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

 

[westwall]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

What a load of horse poo. Conservatives overwhelmingly have a better understanding of science than progressives do. I agree that higher education should be available, and lo and behold it is. So long as you can pay for it you can go to college. There are no laws that prevent you.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It might be time to have American students in those programs or aren't American students smart enough. Is it time to just write them off.

There is no ban. If these guys applied elsewhere it's because they knew they would never pass the vetting processm

 

[Correll]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
More U.S. Scientists and Engineers Are Foreign-Born

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

1. The GOP has not made it cool to be uneducated.

2. Higher education should NOT be available for anyone that wants it. Many people can't handle it. Many fields that now require degrees, shouldn't.

3. Throwing more money at the problem hasn't worked for the last 50 years. It won't start working today.

4. FAMILY SUPPORT is what determines education success. We've known this since the Moynihan Report in 1965

 

[Aries]

The best and the brightest will have to look elsewhere to develop their knowledge and practice their skills


Early effects of Trump's muslim Ban:

Ramin Forouzandeh had applied to 13 PhD economics programs in the United States, but after President Donald Trump signed his first travel ban in January, the 25-year-old Iranian turned to Canada for other options.

He said he had focused on U.S. schools because they hosted most of the world's top 20 economics programs. "Before the travel ban, I never really considered other alternatives."


His countryman, Mahdi Ebrahimi Kahou, 30, was well into his first year of the Minnesota program when he decided to transfer to the University of British Columbia because of Trump's executive orders that banned travel from seven and later six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran.

"I lost my motivation to work completely," he said.

A Reuters survey of 19 Canadian universities showed a spike in international applications, most notably from Iran and India. Five top Canadian economics and business PhD programs are getting at least half of their new Iranian students this fall because of the ban, based on interviews with universities and students.

"This strikes at the heart of what has made U.S. higher education the envy of the world," said Mary Sue Coleman, chair of the Association of American Universities


How important is the participation of immigrants in higher education?

Students from outside the United States accounted for 51 percent of Ph.D. recipients in science and engineering in 2003, up from 27 percent in 1973. In 2003, doctorate recipients from outside the United States accounted for 50 percent of Ph.D.s awarded in the physical sciences, 67 percent in engineering, and 68 percent in economics.

In 2015, at least 35 percent of graduate students at U.S. universities granting graduate degrees in science, engineering and health were foreigners, according to the National Science Foundation.

At Arizona State University, for example, Iranians would typically make up a fourth of the economics PhD program, but there will be none in the incoming class this fall.

Long Term effects:
America does not currently have enough physicians! The situation becomes even more alarming when one considers that the U.S. population is expanding. As a result, the American Medical Association projects that by 2025, the U.S. will face a shortage of more than 90,000 physicians.

The American Medical Association estimates that foreign-born doctors constitute approximately 27 percent of the U.S. physician workforce, nearly double the proportion of foreign born in the population as a whole.

In an article in the journal Demography, Vanderbilt University professor Mariano Sana reported that the ratio of foreign-born to U.S.-born scientists and engineers doubled in little more than a decade (see figure).1 In 1994, there were 6.2 U.S.-born workers for every foreign-born worker in science and engineering occupations. By 2006, the ratio was 3.1 to 1.



But there's also the bottom line. A recent survey shows students from those six countries alone bring in more than $500 million to the U.S. economy each year.

Trump's travel bans spook some students, fan fears of broader chill
Travel Ban's 'Chilling Effect' Could Cost Universities Hundreds Of Millions
America's Future Doctors: Immigrants and the Medical Profession | HuffPost
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HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

1. The GOP has not made it cool to be uneducated.

2. Higher education should NOT be available for anyone that wants it. Many people can't handle it. Many fields that now require degrees, shouldn't.

3. Throwing more money at the problem hasn't worked for the last 50 years. It won't start working today.

4. FAMILY SUPPORT is what determines education success. We've known this since the Moynihan Report in 1965

1. The GOP has made it cool to be uneducated by constantly bashing our educational institutions and categorizing anyone with a degree as "elitist"
(they have also turned science denying into a professional sport)
2. Higher education should be available to everyone who wants it. If they can't pass then they fail, at least they tried and got the opportunity to do so, why do you think education should be reserved for the wealthy?
3. Science/technology needs funding. Period. Any nitwit knows that.
4. Family support is important but in no way a necessity.

 

[Marion Morrison]

HOLY COW! You mean the tech companies will have to actually pay Americans MORE for the work they will be doing? You mean that all those two faced assholes telling American students to take all of those STEM classes, and going into massive debt to do so will actually have to now hire them insted of the cheap labor from India and elsewhere? So those American students will actually be able to get jobs in this new America? I say GOOD!

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

1. The GOP has not made it cool to be uneducated.

2. Higher education should NOT be available for anyone that wants it. Many people can't handle it. Many fields that now require degrees, shouldn't.

3. Throwing more money at the problem hasn't worked for the last 50 years. It won't start working today.

4. FAMILY SUPPORT is what determines education success. We've known this since the Moynihan Report in 1965

1. The GOP has made it cool to be uneducated by constantly bashing our educational institutions and categorizing anyone with a degree as "elitist"
(they have also turned science denying into a professional sport)
2. Higher education should be available to everyone who wants it. If they can't pass then they fail, at least they tried and got the opportunity to do so, why do you think education should be reserved for the wealthy?
3. Science/technology needs funding. Period. Any nitwit knows that.
4. Family support is important but in no way a necessity.

Welp, the number of foreign students coming here and potentially being radicalized at the University or nearby mosque just dropped.

Good! Also, that opens up opportunities for American students.

 

[Aries]

The number of American students getting into scientific or technological fields is very low compared to other nations. I guess we'll just ban the Muslims to make the racists happy and our country will no longer be competitive on the world stage.

Maybe it's time to cut back on frivolous courses and don't let people who aren't college material into college.

Or we can stop the science denying and the education bashing. The new GOP has made it "cool" to be uneducated. Higher education should be available for anyone who wants it. STEAM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) programs need more funding and integration into high school courses.

1. The GOP has not made it cool to be uneducated.

2. Higher education should NOT be available for anyone that wants it. Many people can't handle it. Many fields that now require degrees, shouldn't.

3. Throwing more money at the problem hasn't worked for the last 50 years. It won't start working today.

4. FAMILY SUPPORT is what determines education success. We've known this since the Moynihan Report in 1965

1. The GOP has made it cool to be uneducated by constantly bashing our educational institutions and categorizing anyone with a degree as "elitist"
(they have also turned science denying into a professional sport)
2. Higher education should be available to everyone who wants it. If they can't pass then they fail, at least they tried and got the opportunity to do so, why do you think education should be reserved for the wealthy?
3. Science/technology needs funding. Period. Any nitwit knows that.
4. Family support is important but in no way a necessity.

Welp, the number of foreign students coming here and potentially being radicalized at the University or nearby mosque just dropped.

Good! Also, that opens up opportunities for American students.

During my college days, I roomed with a Muslim girl. Year one she had barely tried anything, never been to a party, never had a drop of alcohol, never kissed a boy. By our fourth year we were smoking joints together and getting drunk. (she also got that first kiss)
she was radicalized all right right into american culture