Bakers fined for not working homosexual "wedding" continue fighting for their freedoms

[WorldWatcher]

Hively v Ivy Tech (2016) says you can no longer equate sexual behaviors with a race or religion or gender. Sorry.

No it didn't. Hively v. Ivy Tech noted that sexual oorientationwas not mentioned in the act, it made no claim about "behaviors".

This case though has nothing to do with the 1964 Civil Rights Act or Federal Law, the Oregon Public Accommodation law specifically identifies various "behaviors" (your word not mine) that are protected under the law including religion, sexual orienation, and marital status.


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[BlindBoo]

This is like the old argument that a prostitute can't be raped. She is compelled to have sex with any man that throws a few bucks her way. He paid for the service. She can't discriminate. It is not rape even if he holds her down and she's screaming.

You mean special order? Your rape analogy is creepy.

Just as your belief that the federal government has the authority to force people to provide their labor against their will is creepy. Really creepy. Creepy as hell.

My oldest brother was in the draft lottery for Vietnam, you were saying how the fed don't have the authority to force people to.......

BTW it is a State Law that the baker broke, nothing remotely federal about the case.

 

[P@triot]

If there is one thing you can count on a progressive for - it's being a disgusting hypocrite. Look at these liberals refusing to bake/decorate a cake per the wishes of the customer...

‘That’s completely nuts’: Wal-Mart apologizes after employees refuse to make ‘blue lives matter’ cake

Obviously Wally made a mistake and the admitted fault, were as the bakery in question refuses to do so. Go figure.

Obviously progressives are disgusting hypocrites. Walmart (run by conservatives) then corrected the issue. But that should be their choice. It should not be the federal government telling them who to enter into business transactions with and who not to.

 

[P@triot]

My oldest brother was in the draft lottery for Vietnam, you were saying how the fed don't have the authority to force people to.......

And you notice how the federal government has since corrected that?

BTW it is a State Law that the baker broke, nothing remotely federal about the case.

The point (that you either are struggling to grasp or are disingenuously ignoring) is that the state isn't empowered by the 10th Amendment to violate the U.S. Constitution or the rights of the people - as they have done.

 

[Syriusly]

'well beyond the founder's intent'

Allowing mixed race couples to marry was 'well beyond the founder's intent.

We damn leftists have gone too far.

Hively v Ivy Tech (2016) says that you no longer can make a civil rights comparison between race and sexual behaviors...

So you think that Hively v. Ivy Tech means I no longer have free speech?

LOL

To all of your homophobic bigoted idiots:

If you claim that the 'founders' never intended that two men be able to marry, then I will point out, using the very same logic, that the 'founders' never intended that a black man be able to marry a white woman.

Neither have anything to do with sexual orientation or race- both reflect accurately that if we only did as our 'founders' intended- then women wouldn't have the vote, blacks and whites couldn't marry, and only those who owned property could hold office.

 

[Seawytch]

This is like the old argument that a prostitute can't be raped. She is compelled to have sex with any man that throws a few bucks her way. He paid for the service. She can't discriminate. It is not rape even if he holds her down and she's screaming.

You mean special order? Your rape analogy is creepy.

Just as your belief that the federal government has the authority to force people to provide their labor against their will is creepy. Really creepy. Creepy as hell.

So which of the representatives you've voted for have said they'd repeal Title II of the 1965 Civil Rights Act? What group do you donate to that is committed to repealing the CRA?

 

[Syriusly]

If there is one thing you can count on a progressive for - it's being a disgusting hypocrite. Look at these liberals refusing to bake/decorate a cake per the wishes of the customer...

‘That’s completely nuts’: Wal-Mart apologizes after employees refuse to make ‘blue lives matter’ cake

Obviously Wally made a mistake and the admitted fault, were as the bakery in question refuses to do so. Go figure.

Obviously progressives are disgusting hypocrites. Walmart (run by conservatives) then corrected the issue. But that should be their choice. It should not be the federal government telling them who to enter into business transactions with and who not to.

Speaking of 'hypocrites

1. Patty: Look at these liberals refusing to bake/decorate a cake per the wishes of the customer..: Wal-Mart
2. Patty: Obviously progressives are disgusting hypocrites. Walmart (run by conservatives) then corrected the issue.

 

[OKTexas]

You missed the point entirely. They needed the PA laws because it wasn't in the constitution. There isn't anything to prevent them but that isn't the point. Freedom of association and religious freedom is constitutional but political correctness has overridden it. Like they did with abortion.

The issue isn't about Freedom of association or Religion. It's strictly business.

That is the issue. You think you are God and can determine others' values for them. You do so because you are a control freak leftist and those like you had to create laws apart from the Constitution, which does protect association and religion. You would force a Jew to bake a Nazi cake so that makes you the Nazi.

In business we can. We told racists they had to serve blacks and interracial couples despite it being against their religion.

Inside their establishments, not outside it.

No shit, Sherlock. Got anything else in your bag of obvious?

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

 

[P@triot]

This is like the old argument that a prostitute can't be raped. She is compelled to have sex with any man that throws a few bucks her way. He paid for the service. She can't discriminate. It is not rape even if he holds her down and she's screaming.

You mean special order? Your rape analogy is creepy.

Just as your belief that the federal government has the authority to force people to provide their labor against their will is creepy. Really creepy. Creepy as hell.

So which of the representatives you've voted for have said they'd repeal Title II of the 1965 Civil Rights Act? What group do you donate to that is committed to repealing the CRA?

I'm not sure I understand your question here. In your mind - I'm somehow responsible for the platforms of people that I don't know, who are running for office?

 

[Seawytch]

The issue isn't about Freedom of association or Religion. It's strictly business.

That is the issue. You think you are God and can determine others' values for them. You do so because you are a control freak leftist and those like you had to create laws apart from the Constitution, which does protect association and religion. You would force a Jew to bake a Nazi cake so that makes you the Nazi.

In business we can. We told racists they had to serve blacks and interracial couples despite it being against their religion.

Inside their establishments, not outside it.

No shit, Sherlock. Got anything else in your bag of obvious?

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

 

[BlindBoo]

If there is one thing you can count on a progressive for - it's being a disgusting hypocrite. Look at these liberals refusing to bake/decorate a cake per the wishes of the customer...

‘That’s completely nuts’: Wal-Mart apologizes after employees refuse to make ‘blue lives matter’ cake

Obviously Wally made a mistake and the admitted fault, were as the bakery in question refuses to do so. Go figure.

Obviously progressives are disgusting hypocrites. Walmart (run by conservatives) then corrected the issue. But that should be their choice. It should not be the federal government telling them who to enter into business transactions with and who not to.

Once again, it has nothing to do with the federal government. PA laws that include protection for LGBT folks are all State laws. Seriously you can't be that stupid!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is like the old argument that a prostitute can't be raped. She is compelled to have sex with any man that throws a few bucks her way. He paid for the service. She can't discriminate. It is not rape even if he holds her down and she's screaming.

You mean special order? Your rape analogy is creepy.

Just as your belief that the federal government has the authority to force people to provide their labor against their will is creepy. Really creepy. Creepy as hell.

My oldest brother was in the draft lottery for Vietnam, you were saying how the fed don't have the authority to force people to.......

BTW it is a State Law that the baker broke, nothing remotely federal about the case.

A draft is not a commercial, retail contract. We are supposed to have freedom to contract but we dont,

The analogy to prostitution is correct.

 

[Seawytch]

This is like the old argument that a prostitute can't be raped. She is compelled to have sex with any man that throws a few bucks her way. He paid for the service. She can't discriminate. It is not rape even if he holds her down and she's screaming.

You mean special order? Your rape analogy is creepy.

Just as your belief that the federal government has the authority to force people to provide their labor against their will is creepy. Really creepy. Creepy as hell.

So which of the representatives you've voted for have said they'd repeal Title II of the 1965 Civil Rights Act? What group do you donate to that is committed to repealing the CRA?

I'm not sure I understand your question here. In your mind - I'm somehow responsible for the platforms of people that I don't know, who are running for office?

I asked you before what you were doing to get rid of the Federal PA law and you said you voted for people that would. Who?

 

[P@triot]

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Pop Quiz: where does the government derive the authority to create a "protected class"?

 

[BlindBoo]

My oldest brother was in the draft lottery for Vietnam, you were saying how the fed don't have the authority to force people to.......

And you notice how the federal government has since corrected that?

BTW it is a State Law that the baker broke, nothing remotely federal about the case.

The point (that you either are struggling to grasp or are disingenuously ignoring) is that the state isn't empowered by the 10th Amendment to violate the U.S. Constitution or the rights of the people - as they have done.

And you think they don't hold the power to re-institute it in case of a war?

PA laws are constitutional.

 

[P@triot]

I asked you before what you were doing to get rid of the Federal PA law and you said you voted for people that would. Who?

I've never said I've voted for people who would. You asked what could be done about it. I gave you a comprehensive answer which included "elect representatives that actually respect and defend the U.S. Constitution".

Here it is right here for everyone to see: Post #781

 

[P@triot]

And you think they don't hold the power to re-institute it in case of a war?

No. Not at all. But sadly, that doesn't mean they wouldn't do it. You fail to comprehend the difference between doing something and having the legal authority to do something.

Technically, I could kill you tomorrow. If I did - would that make it ok because I did do it? Would that mean I have the authority to kill you? Or would it just mean I was a piece of shit who did something I had no business doing? Any rational person would say the latter.

 

[hazlnut]

I think a lot of these "christian" bakers are really mediocre cake decorators and when confronted with the high artistic demands of the gay clientele, they realize they don't measure up and thus make up an excuse to not take the job.

 

[hazlnut]

All you homophobes need to attend a gay wedding, dance, drink and make merry.

 

[P@triot]

On a side note - kudos today to BlindBoo and Seawytch for a civilized conversation. They didn't resort to some of the childish antics we've become accustomed to on USMB. It's been one of the more interesting discussions because of it.