Bakers fined for not working homosexual "wedding" continue fighting for their freedoms

[P@triot]

I asked you before what you were doing to get rid of the Federal PA law and you said you voted for people that would. Who?

I've never said I've voted for people who would. You asked what could be done about it. I gave you a comprehensive answer which included "elect representatives that actually respect and defend the U.S. Constitution".

Here it is right here for everyone to see: Post #781

Yup, I asked plainly what you were doing to get rid of the CRA...your answer was that you're doing nothing. We understood that already. You're not doing anything about PA laws beyond whining about state and local laws. Some states rights defender you are!

If that's your bizarre interpretation...

 

[Pop23]

Got me, let's say he wanted a same sex wedding cake.

So by claiming he's gay places a heterosexual male into a protected group? Do I have that right?

Nope.

Heterosexual = Sexual Orientation

Homosexual = Sexual Orientation

The law protects against discrimination in places of Public Accommodation based on sexual orientation. A baker can't refuse to sell a wedding cake to a male because he claims to be heterosexual either. Therefore he is already included in the "protected group".


You can't deny service to a man who is Catholic and claims to be Jewish because he's Jewish, the fact that you don't know what his religion "really" is is irrelevant to the act of discrimination.



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How does one prove a mans sexual orientation?

Is there some kind of test? Membership card? Secret handshake?

 

[Pop23]

So if I straight man claimed to be gay and was refused the gay wedding cake, would that qualify as discrimination?

1. There is no such thing as a "gay" wedding cake. If so please list the difference in ingrediants and baking process that makes the cake "gay".

2. To answer you question. Yes.

And just how would the baker know?

You said the main said he was gay, that's how the baker would know. You said he "claimed to be gay".


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They use unicorn farts for leavening and pixy dust instead of sugar.

If someone was black, The court could test that man several ways

If someone claimed to be female, the court could test she was female.

Disabled? Yep

Not sure how a court could test for sexual orientation? Do courts normally just take your word as proof?

 

[Pop23]

I'm soooo scared of gays because they might convert me. Then where would I be!??@#?

You would then be gay.

Do you have a tough question now?

 

[OKTexas]

Inside their establishments, not outside it.

No shit, Sherlock. Got anything else in your bag of obvious?

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Sure you can, just tell the faghadist you're fully booked for that day or you taking that day off. There are more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm glad to see you fascist side coming out, thinking you can force people to associate with people they find objectionable outside their place of business.

If you're lying about why you're denying service, you've got nothing to worry about...well except for the lying being a sin.

Well it all comes out in the wash, the faghadist are lying about being born that way.

 

[bodecea]

In business we can. We told racists they had to serve blacks and interracial couples despite it being against their religion.

Inside their establishments, not outside it.

No shit, Sherlock. Got anything else in your bag of obvious?

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Sure you can, just tell the faghadist you're fully booked for that day or you taking that day off. There are more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm glad to see you fascist side coming out, thinking you can force people to associate with people they find objectionable outside their place of business.

I'm sure many have done that.....but that couple did not. Does that make them stupid? Hmmmmm

 

[bodecea]

No shit, Sherlock. Got anything else in your bag of obvious?

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Sure you can, just tell the faghadist you're fully booked for that day or you taking that day off. There are more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm glad to see you fascist side coming out, thinking you can force people to associate with people they find objectionable outside their place of business.

If you're lying about why you're denying service, you've got nothing to worry about...well except for the lying being a sin.

Well it all comes out in the wash, the faghadist are lying about being born that way.

Oh...DO tell us more about it.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

So if I straight man claimed to be gay and was refused the gay wedding cake, would that qualify as discrimination?

1. There is no such thing as a "gay" wedding cake. If so please list the difference in ingrediants and baking process that makes the cake "gay".

2. To answer you question. Yes.

And just how would the baker know?

You said the main said he was gay, that's how the baker would know. You said he "claimed to be gay".


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They use unicorn farts for leavening and pixy dust instead of sugar.

If someone was black, The court could test that man several ways

If someone claimed to be female, the court could test she was female.

Disabled? Yep

Not sure how a court could test for sexual orientation? Do courts normally just take your word as proof?

There are probably several psychological tests that could be administered to determine levels of perversion.

 

[OKTexas]

Inside their establishments, not outside it.

No shit, Sherlock. Got anything else in your bag of obvious?

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Sure you can, just tell the faghadist you're fully booked for that day or you taking that day off. There are more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm glad to see you fascist side coming out, thinking you can force people to associate with people they find objectionable outside their place of business.

I'm sure many have done that.....but that couple did not. Does that make them stupid? Hmmmmm

No, living in Oregon and electing assholes that would pass such a law made them stupid.

 

[OKTexas]

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Sure you can, just tell the faghadist you're fully booked for that day or you taking that day off. There are more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm glad to see you fascist side coming out, thinking you can force people to associate with people they find objectionable outside their place of business.

If you're lying about why you're denying service, you've got nothing to worry about...well except for the lying being a sin.

Well it all comes out in the wash, the faghadist are lying about being born that way.

Oh...DO tell us more about it.

Nope.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Got me, let's say he wanted a same sex wedding cake.

So by claiming he's gay places a heterosexual male into a protected group? Do I have that right?

Nope.

Heterosexual = Sexual Orientation

Homosexual = Sexual Orientation

The law protects against discrimination in places of Public Accommodation based on sexual orientation. A baker can't refuse to sell a wedding cake to a male because he claims to be heterosexual either. Therefore he is already included in the "protected group".


You can't deny service to a man who is Catholic and claims to be Jewish because he's Jewish, the fact that you don't know what his religion "really" is is irrelevant to the act of discrimination.



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How does one prove a mans sexual orientation?

Is there some kind of test? Membership card? Secret handshake?

Try it. See where you stand.

http://mysexualorientation.com/

 

[WorldWatcher]

How does one prove a mans sexual orientation?

Same way someone proves their religion.


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[Silhouette]

How does one prove a mans sexual orientation?

Same way someone proves their religion.

Or how they're bulimic, or addicted to heroin. Problem is that of all those behaviors, only religion is protected Constitutionally as an unchallengeable right. Hively v Ivy Tech (7th circuit, federal court of appeals 2016)..

 

[WorldWatcher]

Or how they're bulimic, or addicted to heroin. Problem is that of all those behaviors, only religion is protected Constitutionally as an unchallengeable right. Hively v Ivy Tech (7th circuit, federal court of appeals 2016)..

Ya, tell that to gun owners. "Hey you, your religion can't be challenged, but we can challenge your ability to own a gun." or "Hey, journalist your free speech is a challegable right."


BTW - that case (Hively) has nothing to do with the Klein case since that case was about the 1964 Civil Rights act which didn't include sexual orientation, the Oregon Public Accommodation law specifically lists sexual orientation as one of the characteristics for which a Public Accommodation business cannot deny full and equal service on.


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[Pop23]

How does one prove a mans sexual orientation?

Same way someone proves their religion.


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But it's protected under the constitution.

But, now, what happens when two heterosexual males say they want a same sex wedding cake, tell the baker they are heterosexual, and the baker refuses service?

Perplexing, aye?

 

[WorldWatcher]

But it's protected under the constitution.

And sexual orienation is protected under Oregon Public Accommodation law.

But, now, what happens when two heterosexual males say they want a same sex wedding cake, tell the baker they are heterosexual, and the baker refuses service?

Perplexing, aye?

Not in the least.

If he refuses service for some other reason "We don't do wedding cakes for anyone", "I'm out of town that week and we are not taking any orders", etc. - not a problem.

If he refuses service because they are heterosexuals engaging in a perfectly legal action (entering into Civil Marriage), then that is a discrimination based on sexual orientation an they would be in violation of the law.

Not perplexing at all.


You seem to think it's about the customer - that is incorrect. It is the basis for the action by the business owner.

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[Silhouette]

Or how they're bulimic, or addicted to heroin. Problem is that of all those behaviors, only religion is protected Constitutionally as an unchallengeable right. Hively v Ivy Tech (7th circuit, federal court of appeals 2016)..

Ya, tell that to gun owners. "Hey you, your religion can't be challenged, but we can challenge your ability to own a gun." or "Hey, journalist your free speech is a challegable right."

But again, that behavior is SPECIFICALLY PROTECTED by name (2nd Amendment).. Bulimia, heroin addiction and homosexuality isn't...

BTW, all law has something to do with other law if it can be cited in support or opposition by precedent...idiot...

And sexual orienation is protected under Oregon Public Accommodation law.

Not if the protection for that (unreferenced) behavior is an erasure of other enumerated protections in the Constitution which supersede it...

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The issue of whether public accommodation laws can be applied to off site venues isn't decided. It's on appeal. Stop saying that sexual orientation is protected under Oregon's PA laws because that hasn't been decided.

 

[Seawytch]

No shit, Sherlock. Got anything else in your bag of obvious?

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Sure you can, just tell the faghadist you're fully booked for that day or you taking that day off. There are more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm glad to see you fascist side coming out, thinking you can force people to associate with people they find objectionable outside their place of business.

If you're lying about why you're denying service, you've got nothing to worry about...well except for the lying being a sin.

Well it all comes out in the wash, the faghadist are lying about being born that way.

So when did you choose? How did you choose? Coin flip?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The requested service extended outside the physical walls of the business, you can't force association outside the walls of the business. The poor faghadist didn't ask for an in store pick up.

Fail. If you bake and deliver for couple A, you can't refuse to do so for couple B, simply because they are (fill in protected class here...black, Muslim, gay, etc)

Sure you can, just tell the faghadist you're fully booked for that day or you taking that day off. There are more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm glad to see you fascist side coming out, thinking you can force people to associate with people they find objectionable outside their place of business.

If you're lying about why you're denying service, you've got nothing to worry about...well except for the lying being a sin.

Well it all comes out in the wash, the faghadist are lying about being born that way.

So when did you choose? How did you choose? Coin flip?

Are you saying you never chose to engage in a perverted sexual act? At some point you decided to overcome normal biology and be a degenerate.