Bakers fined for not working homosexual "wedding" continue fighting for their freedoms

[martybegan]

Yes, not wanting to bake a cake for you is "oppression".


That is called "1st world problems"

Being discriminated against is oppression

Gays have been oppressed for centuries. They should know

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

Gays have been oppressed legally for centuries

They are not about to give back their hard fought rights to appease some bigoted baker

Where is there a constitutional right to a wedding cake?

Where was the constitutional right to be served at a lunch counter?

As I have stated before that was a symptom of law mandated enforced discrimination, both political and economic. It does not compare to a couple having to find another baker for their wedding cake.

And I have a feeling you would approve if this showed a picture of those bakers being covered in crap. You are far closer in ideology to Bull Conner than I am.

 

[martybegan]

Lesbians announced what kind of sex they have?

What was it that you thought lesbian meant?

I realize you're just a drone, but really...

Maybe he is a damned good baker. I have about a half dozen bakers within a 5 mile radius. I only patronize one.

Melissa is a she, and she was targeted explicitly to attack the 1st amendment protection of religion. As you know, this wasn't random, but a specific attack. Legal terrorism.

Really now?

You have a first amendment right to discriminate? Don't think so
You can't use your religion as an excuse to discriminate against other people

So a person can be forced to be friends and socialize with people they don't want to?

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Really now?

You have a first amendment right to discriminate? Don't think so

You're a Soros hate drone, you don't "think" anyone has any rights.

Under the United States Constitution, a person has what is called "liberty." They can think or say what they please.. They can associate or not, with anyone they like.

I remember back when I was about 7, I went to a party and their was this one kid, somewhat retarded, picked his nose and was grimy. The mother running the party demanded that we all be friends. But the kid was disgusting. Nothing she said would make us like him.

Life is like this, you Communist authoritarians have seized enough power that you control the courts, You mandate that all will bow to and honor your political allies, the homosexuals. You use the courts to force, through the threat of implied violence, others to knuckle under to your dictates. But you cannot force others to believe what you do.

The founders of this nation were wise enough to grasp that we cannot mandate equality, we can simply grant all the equal right to make our own way.

You have the guns to force Christians to bow before homosexuals in direct violation of the 1st amendment. You have the courts to enforce a demand that Christians engage in labor that violates their religion. You can punish those who do not labor when you command them, in violation of the 13th.

But your destruction of civil rights will not stand.

I don't care about Christians, I don't care about queers, but I do care about liberty.

If you totalitarian thugs attack the queers on behalf of the Christians, I will oppose you in every way possible - and I did for 25 years. Now that you attack the Christians on behalf of the queers, I oppose you. Stay the **** out of other peoples lives. Leave people alone to live as they please. A person coming into a bakery demanding that another be forced to labor against their will deserves to be shot in the face.

You can't use your religion as an excuse to discriminate against other people

And what or your religion, Comrade?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Where was the constitutional right to be served at a lunch counter?

There is none.

Unless an action causes immediate harm to another, a free person cannot be compelled to act against their will in a free society.

If you are the only motel in a hundred miles, refusing a room causes direct harm. Refusing a seat at the lunch counter does not.

 

[bodecea]

Yep- we fascists believe a business should follow the law.

We 'fascists' also don't think that Christians get a special dispensation from following the law.

But you DO think Muslims do - since some animals are FAR more equal than others.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Back in the old republic, when people had civil rights, the above protected people - even the Christians you and your party hate.

But you democrats have ended civil rights and are dedicated to ensuring they never come back.

Where have any of us stated that Muslims get special dispensation from the law? Link it for us to look at.

 

[bodecea]

Gays may have a sizeable presence in our major cities

But in rural Jesusland, they are still outcasts. It is easy for any ***-hater to invoke the bible as an excuse for not serving gays while they have no reservations about participating in a wedding of a pregnant bride marrying her cousin.

History is full of people not happy with their present situation moving. Its only in modern times that moving is considered something for the well off, instead of the destitute or unhappy trying to make a new life for themselves. It's actually what made the US what it is today.

and do you think forcing a baker to bake a cake for their wedding, or forcing a photographer to film their wedding is going to magically remove that animosity.

No, all it does is satisfy your need for vengeance on people you don't like, and it lets you accomplish it without getting your hands dirty.

"Oh, not "I" didn't do anything, GOVERNMENT did it"

Thankfully, our country does not require you to "move" if you are being discriminated against

Our laws stand up for those being oppressed, not the oppressor

Yes, not wanting to bake a cake for you is "oppression".


That is called "1st world problems"

Being discriminated against is oppression

Gays have been oppressed for centuries. They should know

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

^ Supports Special Rights for Christians.....of course, it's just his opinion.

 

[martybegan]

Where was the constitutional right to be served at a lunch counter?

There is none.

Unless an action causes immediate harm to another, a free person cannot be compelled to act against their will in a free society.

If you are the only motel in a hundred miles, refusing a room causes direct harm. Refusing a seat at the lunch counter does not.

back in the 60's it was a symptom of the harm caused by Jim Crow laws, of which the lunch counter rules were the nasty thing on the surface. Underneath was the real discrimination, the crap schools, the lack of higher education, the lack of economic and political capital.

I understand why PA laws were created to correct this, however they have been expanded beyond their original purpose into areas that progressives want to be related, but are not really related.

 

[bodecea]

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But you democrats have ended civil rights and are dedicated to ensuring they never come back.

You poor thing.

You have no civil rights anymore?

You aren't allowed to vote, you aren't allowed to go to Church, you aren't allowed to pray, you aren't allowed to own a gun, you aren't allowed to stand on a street with a sign, you aren't allowed to buy a newspaper.

You aren't allowed to get together with like minded friends. You aren't allowed to find 5 or 6 brave friends and find a lone guy who looks gay to bravely beat up.

You poor thing- no civil liberties at all.

He's just a pathetic little puddle of goo now, isn't he?

 

[Uncensored2008]

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LOL- you poor baby- you have to pay taxes?

2. Sixteenth Amendment. More importantly, in 1909 Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment. This amendment reads as follows:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.[13]

You should leave the leftist posting up to shitflinger. You lack the wits to engage in a debate or discussion.

 

[martybegan]

History is full of people not happy with their present situation moving. Its only in modern times that moving is considered something for the well off, instead of the destitute or unhappy trying to make a new life for themselves. It's actually what made the US what it is today.

and do you think forcing a baker to bake a cake for their wedding, or forcing a photographer to film their wedding is going to magically remove that animosity.

No, all it does is satisfy your need for vengeance on people you don't like, and it lets you accomplish it without getting your hands dirty.

"Oh, not "I" didn't do anything, GOVERNMENT did it"

Thankfully, our country does not require you to "move" if you are being discriminated against

Our laws stand up for those being oppressed, not the oppressor

Yes, not wanting to bake a cake for you is "oppression".


That is called "1st world problems"

Being discriminated against is oppression

Gays have been oppressed for centuries. They should know

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

^ Supports Special Rights for Christians.....of course, it's just his opinion.

if a gay atheist baker didn't want to make a cake for a Fundamentalist Christian wedding, I would be OK with that as well.

Where are the special rights I am proposing?

 

[bodecea]

I would recommend a warning label be placed on the cake, stipulating that "This cake was created by unsupervised employees. We cannot vouch that an unwashed penis was not inserted in the bottom layer. We do the best we can...yo."

What a wonderful idea. Totally not surprised you would think of that.

 

[dblack]

So..why are so many advocating Special Rights for this bakery?

I'm not. I'm advocating equal rights for everyone. We should all have the basic right to refuse to serve anyone for any reason.

 

[bodecea]

Thankfully, our country does not require you to "move" if you are being discriminated against

Our laws stand up for those being oppressed, not the oppressor

Yes, not wanting to bake a cake for you is "oppression".


That is called "1st world problems"

Being discriminated against is oppression

Gays have been oppressed for centuries. They should know

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

^ Supports Special Rights for Christians.....of course, it's just his opinion.

if a gay atheist baker didn't want to make a cake for a Fundamentalist Christian wedding, I would be OK with that as well.

Where are the special rights I am proposing?

If they have a business license in a state where Christians are protected in PA laws (hint: all 50 states) it would be illegal for them to do so.....and I would NOT be ok with that.

 

[bodecea]

So..why are so many advocating Special Rights for this bakery?

I'm not. I'm advocating protecting these rights for everyone. We should all have the basic right to refuse to serve anyone for any reason.

Then work to get PA laws repealed.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, not wanting to bake a cake for you is "oppression".


That is called "1st world problems"

Being discriminated against is oppression

Gays have been oppressed for centuries. They should know

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

^ Supports Special Rights for Christians.....of course, it's just his opinion.

if a gay atheist baker didn't want to make a cake for a Fundamentalist Christian wedding, I would be OK with that as well.

Where are the special rights I am proposing?

If they have a business license in a state where Christians are protected in PA laws (hint: all 50 states) it would be illegal for them to do so.....and I would NOT be ok with that.

Why do you feel the need to force people to associate with something they don't want to? Especially in contracted services that can be easily replaced?

 

[bodecea]

Thankfully, our country does not require you to "move" if you are being discriminated against

Our laws stand up for those being oppressed, not the oppressor

Yes, not wanting to bake a cake for you is "oppression".


That is called "1st world problems"

Being discriminated against is oppression

Gays have been oppressed for centuries. They should know

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

Gays have been oppressed legally for centuries

They are not about to give back their hard fought rights to appease some bigoted baker

How hard was it when you first got the noodle, Rightwanger?

^ loses argument, shifts to personal attacks.

 

[Uncensored2008]

back in the 60's it was a symptom of the harm caused by Jim Crow laws, of which the lunch counter rules were the nasty thing on the surface. Underneath was the real discrimination, the crap schools, the lack of higher education, the lack of economic and political capital.

I understand why PA laws were created to correct this, however they have been expanded beyond their original purpose into areas that progressives want to be related, but are not really related.

PA laws are a tricky thing, and must be measured against direct harm to be applied.

If you have the have the only well in town, you must sell water to all. Not doing so will cause actual harm.

If you have one of 20 food joints in town, refusing service causes no actual harm. Hurt feelings are not actual harm.

 

[bodecea]

Being discriminated against is oppression

Gays have been oppressed for centuries. They should know

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

^ Supports Special Rights for Christians.....of course, it's just his opinion.

if a gay atheist baker didn't want to make a cake for a Fundamentalist Christian wedding, I would be OK with that as well.

Where are the special rights I am proposing?

If they have a business license in a state where Christians are protected in PA laws (hint: all 50 states) it would be illegal for them to do so.....and I would NOT be ok with that.

Why do you feel the need to force people to associate with something they don't want to? Especially in contracted services that can be easily replaced?

Get rid of PA laws then....work at it. Convince the majority of voters in your state to repeal said laws.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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^ loses argument, shifts to personal attacks.

^ engages in thread she cannot grasp.

Way to go, Pete.

 

[martybegan]

Being told to go to another baker is not oppression. Once again progressives define things down to suit their needs.

^ Supports Special Rights for Christians.....of course, it's just his opinion.

if a gay atheist baker didn't want to make a cake for a Fundamentalist Christian wedding, I would be OK with that as well.

Where are the special rights I am proposing?

If they have a business license in a state where Christians are protected in PA laws (hint: all 50 states) it would be illegal for them to do so.....and I would NOT be ok with that.

Why do you feel the need to force people to associate with something they don't want to? Especially in contracted services that can be easily replaced?

Get rid of PA laws then....work at it. Convince the majority of voters in your state to repeal said laws.

They actually do serve a purpose, but are being applied too broadly.

A contracted service is not a public accommodation.