Background checks and increase age to own a gun.
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It means they are not as mature and disciplined as previous generations.
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Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented
Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.
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I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented
Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.
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I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented
Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.
Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.
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So Trumps proposal = bad... right?I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented
Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.
Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.
Marion Morrison
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So Trumps proposal = bad... right?I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presentedYou gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?
Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.
Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.
That is correct.
Oh I agree. They have tons of laws on the books pertaining to guns. Background checks don't hurt either.
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mostly "because something must be done" and if he doesn't more people scream.
i'm down for changes. i honestly am. but we need to look deeply into what we're changing and will it have the effect we're after. if not, it makes zero sense to change it.
background checks for all! great. only *at least* 3 shooters in the last several years all got through background checks that should not have. extrapolate that out to people buying guns and only shooting a few people at a time in chicago. so wheee - we did something and now all will be ok.
only it won't be. someone will buy a gun this way and abuse it and we go back to looking for ways to stop them from getting guns again. that doesn't work so we rinse, repeat. how many times do we pass new laws or get more strict? chicago and LA are the most stringent against guns and they have the worst problems.
we need to figure out why people are so angry and work on that. stop worrying about what tool they choose to use to express that anger and address the anger. right now in our society the left and right extremes have people so worked up both sides go out on shooting sprees in the name of their side. *this* is why i feel we're already at a form of a modern day civil war. wars don't have to just use guns to kill. they can use media and lies to morph things into what they want. google is looking to see how they can alter elections. while gun violence is way too much these days, that to me is a much bigger issue. but it's also why people are so angry. if it's NOT happening as the left says and it's all just a lot of conspiracy theories, then why the huge pushback and their own attack on the right? the left is wanting to change everything up and the right says stop it.
and it's gotten WAY out of hand thanks to technology around us we're not mature enough to use properly.
we need to bolster our background checks and make sure all data that should be there in fact is there. then we need to look for profiles of what all these shooters have in common and much like the FBI in the 70s, work to understand why it's happening and learn to predict behaviors and patterns to help us understand the problem.
i've never known too many effective solutions to problems we didn't identify and understand first. gun control has become a political issue and not many problems get fixed at this point but a lot of useless "compromises" are made to appease the masses.
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Background checks blatantly violate the First, Fifth and Tenth Amendments.
The only thing meaningful about turning the constitution upside down in such a manner is a distaste for American freedom as well as contempt for the constitution.
I didn't vote for the statist son of a ***** anyway. I've never liked him. And th NRA has done more against gun rights than they've ever done for them. It's manufactured opposition.
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Sure...Notice the 'S' at the end of 'libS/demS'? That means 'PLURAL', as in 'MORE THAN 1'. I was not talking to you personally but addressing the 'libS/demS' in this sentence....but if the shoe fits, as they say....
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Yes. Violant felonies are never "expunged" from ones record, even if they are committed when they are minors. All that was was Trump following the advice of some RINO that thinks the voting public is retarded.
Raising the age to own guns? I gave my boys their first guns when they were 15. No, I didn't hand them a gun and box of ammo and say "there it is". This was just Trump taking bad advice, likely from the same RINO who thinks the voting public is retarded and lazy. So no, I don't agree with Trump on this and I think he is being badly advised.
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According to a familiar gun-rights slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." This is true, but before deciding the answer is putting armed citizens on the streets across the land, consider the following:With as many disarmed people that you liberals mow down, even an imbecile of your magnitude should soon realize that making people more helpless in not the answer.And more arsenic in our drinking water makes us healthier
In a society in which no one except the police and criminals are allowed to carry a gun in public, anyone carrying is breaking the law and is immediately recognized as a criminal by the police. However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police. The gun-toting criminal is more likely to succeed in his various felonious acts because the police have no reason suspect him.
The cashier who sees the customer with a pistol on his hip or a rifle over his shoulder may think to himself, "He could be a law-abiding citizen just exercising his right to open carry, but he could be planning to hold me at gunpoint. He looks kind of suspicious so, I better not take any chances. I'll draw my gun first."
However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police
Wow.....great point...till the police take one minute to look up the person carrying the gun, and determine whether they are doing so legally or not......yeah, you have a dumb point....
And at the point the individual draws the gun, points it at another human and makes a criminal demand.....yeah, the police are all over that....as would be the clerk....
This made up situation doesn't happen in all of the states where concealed and open carry are already allowed........and as more people now carry guns, the gun crime rate went down, not up, the gun murder rate went down, not up....showing that you have no point...
Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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According to a familiar gun-rights slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." This is true, but before deciding the answer is putting armed citizens on the streets across the land, consider the following:With as many disarmed people that you liberals mow down, even an imbecile of your magnitude should soon realize that making people more helpless in not the answer.And more arsenic in our drinking water makes us healthier
In a society in which no one except the police and criminals are allowed to carry a gun in public, anyone carrying is breaking the law and is immediately recognized as a criminal by the police. However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police. The gun-toting criminal is more likely to succeed in his various felonious acts because the police have no reason suspect him.
The cashier who sees the customer with a pistol on his hip or a rifle over his shoulder may think to himself, "He could be a law-abiding citizen just exercising his right to open carry, but he could be planning to hold me at gunpoint. He looks kind of suspicious so, I better not take any chances. I'll draw my gun first."
The only problem with your theory? Is that over the last 26 years more guns have been added to this society....and a lot more people now carry guns for self defense.....which means? Your theory is wrong...
The anti-gun theory and argument.....
More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.
Actual Result:
In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%
The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....
In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.
Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...
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