Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[elvis]

For every vote (endorsement from the electorate) a candidate wins, there are surely votes lost. That's why they're called "wedge" issues. Issues like these do not provide any unity among the electorate. Not like running on a jobs platform or tax reform.

When was the last time you saw a Liberal running on a Gay Rights platform? But Conservatives like to run on anti-Civil Rights all the time.

When was the last time I saw a liberal run on a gay rights platform? For which election? If we are talking Congress it was 2010. If you are talking President it was 2008. Where were you either of those two years?

I am talking Presidential electiions. And where's Obama on Gay Marriage? Where was he in 2008? I don't know and I supported him then.

In 2008, his position on gay marriage was the same as Bush's.

 

[Stephanie]

Because freedom and liberty need constant shepherding through those who desire to eliminate them.

If Conservatives REALLY were advocates of freedom, they would lead in the struggle for Gay and Lesbian rights. Rather, we find Social Conservatives buttressing the fight against freedom.

thats not what I asked and remarked upon based on the quote I answered NK..... The what means little in the remark I made- its the why, why democratic social issue pursuance is ok, but the reps get beat up for doing same?

DADT was a compromise. The Social Conservatives would not stand for President Clinton relieving the military of bigotry all at once. The Dream Act would have permitted immigrant children (brought here by their parents and grew up essentially as Americans) to pursue a college degree and apply for citizenship. But, the Social Conservatives would rather squander the resource of educated Americans if only to bolster their own bigotry and xenophobia. DOMA was not a Liberal initiative was it?

So, we see Conservatives blocking civil rights, social advancement and the concept of e pluribis unum at every turn.

wow, you got the name calling all down..So ONLY conservatives are AGAINST all the things you LISTED ABOVE, is that what you are trying TO TELL US. you are just another partisan hack, nothing more

 

[Nosmo King]

thats not what I asked and remarked upon based on the quote I answered NK..... The what means little in the remark I made- its the why, why democratic social issue pursuance is ok, but the reps get beat up for doing same?

DADT was a compromise. The Social Conservatives would not stand for President Clinton relieving the military of bigotry all at once. The Dream Act would have permitted immigrant children (brought here by their parents and grew up essentially as Americans) to pursue a college degree and apply for citizenship. But, the Social Conservatives would rather squander the resource of educated Americans if only to bolster their own bigotry and xenophobia. DOMA was not a Liberal initiative was it?

So, we see Conservatives blocking civil rights, social advancement and the concept of e pluribis unum at every turn.

wow, you got the name calling all down..So ONLY conservatives are AGAINST all the things you LISTED ABOVE, is that what you are trying TO TELL US. you are just another partisan hack, nothing more

How's that pledge working for freedom?

 

[elvis]

DADT was a compromise. The Social Conservatives would not stand for President Clinton relieving the military of bigotry all at once. The Dream Act would have permitted immigrant children (brought here by their parents and grew up essentially as Americans) to pursue a college degree and apply for citizenship. But, the Social Conservatives would rather squander the resource of educated Americans if only to bolster their own bigotry and xenophobia. DOMA was not a Liberal initiative was it?

So, we see Conservatives blocking civil rights, social advancement and the concept of e pluribis unum at every turn.

wow, you got the name calling all down..So ONLY conservatives are AGAINST all the things you LISTED ABOVE, is that what you are trying TO TELL US. you are just another partisan hack, nothing more

How's that pledge working for freedom?

It isn't.

 

[ABikerSailor]

hello- DOMA and DADT and The Dream act......are wedge social issues too, why it is ok to call for a truce on social issues yet the dems. get to play their games?

Because freedom and liberty need constant shepherding through those who desire to eliminate them.

If Conservatives REALLY were advocates of freedom, they would lead in the struggle for Gay and Lesbian rights. Rather, we find Social Conservatives buttressing the fight against freedom.

wtf. homosexuals have ALL the same rights that the rest of us have.

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

 

[elvis]

Because freedom and liberty need constant shepherding through those who desire to eliminate them.

If Conservatives REALLY were advocates of freedom, they would lead in the struggle for Gay and Lesbian rights. Rather, we find Social Conservatives buttressing the fight against freedom.

wtf. homosexuals have ALL the same rights that the rest of us have.

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

they can't join the service? I thought obama repealed DADT.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

why do you lie? Porn is not illegal. Its protected free speech you dipshit.
You can go to a store and buy it if you so choose.

Seeing how you got this simple thing wrong, guess we have to question everything else you seem to think you know about.

No, you just think it is.

Tell me something, if pornography is protected speech why does the United States Department of Justice have an entire unit devote to prosecuting it?

Porn prosecution fuels debate - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Social conservatives railed against the Clinton Administration for not prosecuting adult obscenity and were disappointed when few such cases were brought in the early years of the Bush Administration. Things perked up a bit in 2005 when Attorney General Alberto Gonzales set up an Obscenity Prosecution Task Force, which ultimately focused on prosecuting fetish, bestiality and so-called fringe porn.

snuff, kiddie, Animal porn is illegal there genius and therefore it is the role of our government to stop people from doing it.
This is not the samething as Debbie has a gangbang in a van.

Since Obama’s inauguration, prosecutors have pressed on with pending obscenity cases and accepted guilty pleas in one high-profile prosecution brought in Pittsburgh. However, there have been no announcements of new adult obscenity indictments, a trend that Justice Department officials declined to discuss, though they did note that federal prosecutions for child pornography have continued apace.

that being said it is not illegal to watch, own or buy porn. ( expect for the three i listed.)

You seriously have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Are we moving the goal posts now? I thought you made a blanket statement that pornography was not illegal. I am willing to give you an exception for child porn, but the fact that the government has a branch of the DOJ that is dedicated to prosecuting pornography, and that it routinely gets convictions, even for things that are perfectly legal for adults to own, proves that I am actually right.

Pornography is illegal. Every time the courts strike down a law someone introduces a new one to ban it again.

By the way, blaming this solely on conservatives just makes you look like a hack.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No, you just think it is.

Tell me something, if pornography is protected speech why does the United States Department of Justice have an entire unit devote to prosecuting it?

Porn prosecution fuels debate - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

snuff, kiddie, Animal porn is illegal there genius and therefore it is the role of our government to stop people from doing it.
This is not the samething as Debbie has a gangbang in a van.

Since Obama’s inauguration, prosecutors have pressed on with pending obscenity cases and accepted guilty pleas in one high-profile prosecution brought in Pittsburgh. However, there have been no announcements of new adult obscenity indictments, a trend that Justice Department officials declined to discuss, though they did note that federal prosecutions for child pornography have continued apace.

that being said it is not illegal to watch, own or buy porn. ( expect for the three i listed.)

You seriously have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Are we moving the goal posts now? I thought you made a blanket statement that pornography was not illegal. I am willing to give you an exception for child porn, but the fact that the government has a branch of the DOJ that is dedicated to prosecuting pornography, and that it routinely gets convictions, even for things that are perfectly legal for adults to own, proves that I am actually right.

Pornography is illegal.

Really? Why do porn shops operate LEGALLY in all 50 states? Why is there internet porn? Why is there Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc?

What is "porn" to one person may be just a healthy sexual outlet to others, who is the person(s) who decide?

Certainly not Bachmann.

 

[Stephanie]

Because freedom and liberty need constant shepherding through those who desire to eliminate them.

If Conservatives REALLY were advocates of freedom, they would lead in the struggle for Gay and Lesbian rights. Rather, we find Social Conservatives buttressing the fight against freedom.

wtf. homosexuals have ALL the same rights that the rest of us have.

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

where does it state MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT? and are you now going to say they AREN'T IN THE MILITARY? really?
talk about WEDGE ISSUES, you Liberals are famous for using them.

 

[Stephanie]

DADT was a compromise. The Social Conservatives would not stand for President Clinton relieving the military of bigotry all at once. The Dream Act would have permitted immigrant children (brought here by their parents and grew up essentially as Americans) to pursue a college degree and apply for citizenship. But, the Social Conservatives would rather squander the resource of educated Americans if only to bolster their own bigotry and xenophobia. DOMA was not a Liberal initiative was it?

So, we see Conservatives blocking civil rights, social advancement and the concept of e pluribis unum at every turn.

wow, you got the name calling all down..So ONLY conservatives are AGAINST all the things you LISTED ABOVE, is that what you are trying TO TELL US. you are just another partisan hack, nothing more

How's that pledge working for freedom?

LOL, got caught with your pants down, eh. hack

 

[ABikerSailor]

wtf. homosexuals have ALL the same rights that the rest of us have.

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

where does it state MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT?
talk about WEDGE ISSUES, you Liberals are famous for using them.

So, 2 people of the same gender who live together for over 7 years (requirement for common law marriage) shouldn't be able to enjoy the same tax rights as those who are of opposite genders?

They shouldn't be able to visit loved ones in the hospital?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

For every vote (endorsement from the electorate) a candidate wins, there are surely votes lost. That's why they're called "wedge" issues. Issues like these do not provide any unity among the electorate. Not like running on a jobs platform or tax reform.

When was the last time you saw a Liberal running on a Gay Rights platform? But Conservatives like to run on anti-Civil Rights all the time.

When was the last time I saw a liberal run on a gay rights platform? For which election? If we are talking Congress it was 2010. If you are talking President it was 2008. Where were you either of those two years?

I am talking Presidential electiions. And where's Obama on Gay Marriage? Where was he in 2008? I don't know and I supported him then.

Moving the goal posts again?

Why am I not surprised.

As for where Obama is on gay marriage, that depends on who he is talking to. When he is talking to gays he says that they should have all the rights everyone else does. When he is talking to the press he says his position is evolving. When he is talking to everyone else he says marriage is for one man and one woman.

If you ask me, he is pandering for votes, which is exactly what I said when he ran in 2008 and all my friends thought he was the best thing to happen to gays since sex.

 

[Stephanie]

When was the last time I saw a liberal run on a gay rights platform? For which election? If we are talking Congress it was 2010. If you are talking President it was 2008. Where were you either of those two years?

I am talking Presidential electiions. And where's Obama on Gay Marriage? Where was he in 2008? I don't know and I supported him then.

In 2008, his position on gay marriage was the same as Bush's.

that will burst some bubbles.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

wtf. homosexuals have ALL the same rights that the rest of us have.

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

they can't join the service? I thought obama repealed DADT.

Nope.

Appeals Court Blocks Enforcement Of Military's Ban On Gays : NPR

 

[elvis]

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

they can't join the service? I thought obama repealed DADT.

Nope.

Appeals Court Blocks Enforcement Of Military's Ban On Gays : NPR

You're right. I forgot about that.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

snuff, kiddie, Animal porn is illegal there genius and therefore it is the role of our government to stop people from doing it.
This is not the samething as Debbie has a gangbang in a van.

that being said it is not illegal to watch, own or buy porn. ( expect for the three i listed.)

You seriously have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Are we moving the goal posts now? I thought you made a blanket statement that pornography was not illegal. I am willing to give you an exception for child porn, but the fact that the government has a branch of the DOJ that is dedicated to prosecuting pornography, and that it routinely gets convictions, even for things that are perfectly legal for adults to own, proves that I am actually right.

Pornography is illegal.

Really? Why do porn shops operate LEGALLY in all 50 states? Why is there internet porn? Why is there Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc?

What is "porn" to one person may be just a healthy sexual outlet to others, who is the person(s) who decide?

Certainly not Bachmann.

Better question.

If they are legal why do police routine raid them?

Officers Raid Adult Bookstore; Seize Dozens of Adult DVD's - KSLA News 12 Shreveport, Louisiana |

Police raid west Houston adult bookstore | khou.com Houston

 

[Jarhead]

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

where does it state MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT?
talk about WEDGE ISSUES, you Liberals are famous for using them.

So, 2 people of the same gender who live together for over 7 years (requirement for common law marriage) shouldn't be able to enjoy the same tax rights as those who are of opposite genders?

They shouldn't be able to visit loved ones in the hospital?

THey should.
And for the life of me I dont understand why my conservative friends dont argue for it as I do...
As a conservative, I believe anyone has the right to do whatever they want with their lives...it is none of my business....and I will always support gay marriage.
And no...I am not gay. A married heterosexual man.

 

[Trajan]

those of you that feel this vow is a ban on porn, well, you're not alone;

from-
http://www.memeorandum.com/110708/p83#a110708p83


Judd Legum / ThinkProgress:
BREAKING: Bachmann pledges to ban pornography — Tonight, Michele Bachmann became the first presidential candidate to sign a pledge created by THE FAMiLY LEADER, an influential social-conservative group in Iowa. By signing the pledge Bachmann “vows” to “uphold the institution of marriage …
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Discussion: Daily Kos, Pharyngula, Pirate's Cove, Liberal Values, Bark Bark Woof Woof, Alan Colmes' Liberaland, Booman Tribune, Alas, a Blog and Towleroad News #gay
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Discussion:
Kaili Joy Gray / Daily Kos: GOP presidential candidates must pledge fidelity to their spouses (and to ban gays and porn)
PZ Myers / Pharyngula: And then, she's going to invade the Moon!
William Teach / Pirate's Cove: Soros Funded Think Progrees Hyperventilates Over Bachmann Signing Family Leader Pledge
Ron Chusid / Liberal Values: Michele Bachmann First To Sign Pledge Banning Pornography And Calling Homosexuality An Unhealthy Choice
Mustang Bobby / Bark Bark Woof Woof: Lemon Pledge — A far-right-wing religious group that has influence …
Alan Colmes' Liberaland: Michele Bachmann Signs Pledge To Ban Pornography And Reject Sharia Law
BooMan / Booman Tribune: Bachmann Overdrive — It's comforting to know that Michele Bachmann …
Ampersand / Alas, a Blog: No, Michelle Bachmann Didn't Pledge To Ban Pornography
Andrew Belonsky / Towleroad News #gay: Iowa Conservatives' Anti-Gay Pledge: “Homosexuality Is A Choice”
William Petroski / Iowa Caucuses:
Bachmann is first to sign Family Leader's pro-marriage pledge — The Family Leader, a prominent Iowa group that promotes Christian conservative social values, said Thursday it is asking all presidential candidates to sign a pledge regarding their personal convictions on traditional marriage.
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Discussion: Alan Colmes' Liberaland, ThinkProgress, Mediaite, Wonkette, Minnesota Independent, Jezebel, Sadly, No!, M.JOSEPH SHEPPARD'S …, Towleroad News #gay, Pajamas Media, Atlas Shrugs, No More Mister Nice Blog, GOP 12, American Power and Pam's House Blend
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Discussion:
Sandi Behrns / Alan Colmes' Liberaland: Michele Bachmann Agrees: Black Children Were Better Off Under Slavery
Ian Millhiser / ThinkProgress: Michele Bachmann Adds The First Amendment To The Long List Of Constitutional Provisions She Refuses To Obey
Colby Hall / Mediaite: Michele Bachmann Signs Conservative Pro-Marriage Pledge (That Also Bans Porn?)
Blair Burke / Wonkette: Michele Bachmann's Marriage Vow Will Destroy Porn & Sharia Forever
Andy Birkey / Minnesota Independent: Bachmann signs pledge to ban pornography, same-sex marriage as president
Irin Carmon / Jezebel: Bachmann Signs Anti-Porn Pledge Saying Blacks Were Better Off During Slavery [Politics]
Tintin / Sadly, No!: Rethinking Slavery — ABOVE: Bob Vander Plaats
M. Joseph Sheppard / M.JOSEPH SHEPPARD'S …: Gays Commence Bachman Destruction-Palin's Advantage Is Their Love
Andrew Belonsky / Towleroad News #gay: Michele Bachmann Signs Anti-Gay Pledge That Claims Homosexuality Is A Choice
David Swindle / Pajamas Media: Think Progress lies, spits out ridiculous falsehood about Bachmann pledging to ban porn
Pamela Geller / Atlas Shrugs: Bachmann first presidential candidate to sign anti-Sharia pledge
Steve M. / No More Mister Nice Blog: BACHMANN AGREES: IN SOME WAYS, SLAVERY WASN'T SO BAD
Christian Heinze / GOP 12: Bachmann signs Vander Plaats' pledge
Donald Douglas / American Power: Michele Bachmann's First Ad Buy Iowa: ‘Waterloo’
Pam Spaulding / Pam's House Blend: Michele Bachmann signs fundie pledge to “ban porn”




the Pied piper media.....abc in in too-

The Note:
Bachmann Signs Pledge for Ban on Porn and Same-Sex Marriage
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Bachmann Signs Pledge for Ban on Porn and Same-Sex Marriage - The Note

 

[Nosmo King]

wtf. homosexuals have ALL the same rights that the rest of us have.

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

where does it state MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT? and are you now going to say they AREN'T IN THE MILITARY? really?
talk about WEDGE ISSUES, you Liberals are famous for using them.

It's funny because I noted you even had time to edit your post, yet you did not see the stupidity of it.

Marriage isn't a right, but access to the system of jurisprudence is. And denying that access to sober, responsible tax paying American adult citizens is something Conservatives call "freedom".

And if it were up to Social Conservatives, no gay person would ever wear the uniform. Now, you're telling us that Liberals use wedge issues and this is your defense of the Conservative position?

You're addled and you need a nap.

 

[Trajan]

Because freedom and liberty need constant shepherding through those who desire to eliminate them.

If Conservatives REALLY were advocates of freedom, they would lead in the struggle for Gay and Lesbian rights. Rather, we find Social Conservatives buttressing the fight against freedom.

thats not what I asked and remarked upon based on the quote I answered NK..... The what means little in the remark I made- its the why, why democratic social issue pursuance is ok, but the reps get beat up for doing same?

DADT was a compromise. The Social Conservatives would not stand for President Clinton relieving the military of bigotry all at once. The Dream Act would have permitted immigrant children (brought here by their parents and grew up essentially as Americans) to pursue a college degree and apply for citizenship. But, the Social Conservatives would rather squander the resource of educated Americans if only to bolster their own bigotry and xenophobia. DOMA was not a Liberal initiative was it?

So, we see Conservatives blocking civil rights, social advancement and the concept of e pluribis unum at every turn.

that sir, is not what I asked you, I am well aware of the content of the issues;

I asked why; is it ok for dems to purse their social issues and reps get hammered for pursing theirs?