Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[LibocalypseNow]

Oh look,another "I Hate Bachmann!" thread. I think we need more of those. And some more "I Hate Palin!" threads would be great too. Yikes!

 

[Trajan]

Because the Conservative Social issues deny rights, divide the country along bigotted lines and promote the erosion of personal freedoms.

It looks as if Conservatives want smaller government when it comes to feeding children, housing the poor and caring for the destitute. But they want bigger, more intrusive government when it comes to personal freedom and bedrooms.

I guess cash trumps freedom in a Conservative mindset.

you are caught up in making values judgments, then, your answer is tantamount to telling anyone that doesn't feel same- to shut up. you realize that....right?

Not to shut up

thank you, thats all I was asking. we all have an equal right to our own opinions/feelings and to express them.

but join in righting wrongs, not deepening divides between Americans. Not shut up, but think about justice and freedom and what America stands for.

There will be a constant struggle between those who desire freedom~ real freedom not just the freedom not to pay your taxes~and those who want to diminish the worth of American citizens.

those are your 'opinions' and I applaud your use of free speech.
thank you.

 

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You really don't like it when someone speaks the truth, do you? Do you NOT scream judgments ad nauseum? Do you NOT Lobby for legislation against people or practices you don't like? Didn't one of your fellow fascists kill an abortion doctor?

Look up Fascism.. and see where extremist right wingers fit into the definition.

First of all, Traj is no fascist so can your kneejerk reaction. Secondly, Traj is not an extremist right winger. Take your valium.

Thirdly, if you think the left is free of violent extremists, you are delusional. Check the most wanted terrorists on the FBI site - Daniel Andreas. He's a lefty. A violent lefty. A terrorist.

Do you think that I defend extremism on either side? I'll tell you what... when I see the blame game that this country's extremist Right spew... the Nationalism and unwavering flag waving...the worship of the wealthy....

It is very much a fascist movement... I know... you guys won't believe it... won't even consider it... in fact, may be offended by it. That's fine... be offended all you want. But at least do some self criticisms on your sides' antics.

The "right isn't always right" the left isn't always wrong, But that's what keeps on getting replayed... over and over again... doesn't that smell even a LITTLE like a fascist movement to you? Look at which side is somewhat agreeable... yes, I know... the Dems "forced" healthcare... but your side wasn't playing ball with anything... you just wanted it your way or nothing. But for the most part.. it's the Dems that have been doing the compromising and the GOP doing the stonewalling and Filibustering.

In the Alan Simpson thread, the subject of Hitler came up... so did a little research on Fascism... check out the link. There were about 12 symptoms... with paragraphs underneath describing the current situation... I ask you to look at the symptoms, which were written by a Scholar on the subject.... Ignore the paragraphs... which definitely has a "left" spin to them.

 

[Si modo]

You really don't like it when someone speaks the truth, do you? Do you NOT scream judgments ad nauseum? Do you NOT Lobby for legislation against people or practices you don't like? Didn't one of your fellow fascists kill an abortion doctor?

Look up Fascism.. and see where extremist right wingers fit into the definition.

First of all, Traj is no fascist so can your kneejerk reaction. Secondly, Traj is not an extremist right winger. Take your valium.

Thirdly, if you think the left is free of violent extremists, you are delusional. Check the most wanted terrorists on the FBI site - Daniel Andreas. He's a lefty. A violent lefty. A terrorist.

Do you think that I defend extremism on either side? I'll tell you what... when I see the blame game that this country's extremist Right spew... the Nationalism and unwavering flag waving...the worship of the wealthy....

It is very much a fascist movement... I know... you guys won't believe it... won't even consider it... in fact, may be offended by it. That's fine... be offended all you want. But at least do some self criticisms on your sides' antics.

The "right isn't always right" the left isn't always wrong, But that's what keeps on getting replayed... over and over again... doesn't that smell even a LITTLE like a fascist movement to you? Look at which side is somewhat agreeable... yes, I know... the Dems "forced" healthcare... but your side wasn't playing ball with anything... you just wanted it your way or nothing. But for the most part.. it's the Dems that have been doing the compromising and the GOP doing the stonewalling and Filibustering.

In the Alan Simpson thread, the subject of Hitler came up... so did a little research on Fascism... check out the link. There were about 12 symptoms... with paragraphs underneath describing the current situation... I ask you to look at the symptoms, which were written by a Scholar on the subject.... Ignore the paragraphs... which definitely has a "left" spin to them.

Maybe the valium is starting to work. Give it another 30 minutes or so.

 

[Trajan]

You really don't like it when someone speaks the truth, do you? Do you NOT scream judgments ad nauseum? Do you NOT Lobby for legislation against people or practices you don't like? Didn't one of your fellow fascists kill an abortion doctor?

Look up Fascism.. and see where extremist right wingers fit into the definition.

First of all, Traj is no fascist so can your kneejerk reaction. Secondly, Traj is not an extremist right winger. Take your valium.

Thirdly, if you think the left is free of violent extremists, you are delusional. Check the most wanted terrorists on the FBI site - Daniel Andreas. He's a lefty. A violent lefty. A terrorist.

Do you think that I defend extremism on either side? I'll tell you what... when I see the blame game that this country's extremist Right spew... the Nationalism and unwavering flag waving...the worship of the wealthy....

It is very much a fascist movement... I know... you guys won't believe it... won't even consider it... in fact, may be offended by it. That's fine... be offended all you want. But at least do some self criticisms on your sides' antics.

The "right isn't always right" the left isn't always wrong, But that's what keeps on getting replayed... over and over again... doesn't that smell even a LITTLE like a fascist movement to you? Look at which side is somewhat agreeable... yes, I know... the Dems "forced" healthcare... but your side wasn't playing ball with anything... you just wanted it your way or nothing. But for the most part.. it's the Dems that have been doing the compromising and the GOP doing the stonewalling and Filibustering.

In the Alan Simpson thread, the subject of Hitler came up... so did a little research on Fascism... check out the link. There were about 12 symptoms... with paragraphs underneath describing the current situation... I ask you to look at the symptoms, which were written by a Scholar on the subject.... Ignore the paragraphs... which definitely has a "left" spin to them.

GOP doing the stonewalling and Filibustering.

your ignorance is showing...

 

[Stephanie]

You really don't like it when someone speaks the truth, do you? Do you NOT scream judgments ad nauseum? Do you NOT Lobby for legislation against people or practices you don't like? Didn't one of your fellow fascists kill an abortion doctor?

Look up Fascism.. and see where extremist right wingers fit into the definition.

First of all, Traj is no fascist so can your kneejerk reaction. Secondly, Traj is not an extremist right winger. Take your valium.

Thirdly, if you think the left is free of violent extremists, you are delusional. Check the most wanted terrorists on the FBI site - Daniel Andreas. He's a lefty. A violent lefty. A terrorist.

Do you think that I defend extremism on either side? I'll tell you what... when I see the blame game that this country's extremist Right spew... the Nationalism and unwavering flag waving...the worship of the wealthy....

It is very much a fascist movement... I know... you guys won't believe it... won't even consider it... in fact, may be offended by it. That's fine... be offended all you want. But at least do some self criticisms on your sides' antics.

The "right isn't always right" the left isn't always wrong, But that's what keeps on getting replayed... over and over again... doesn't that smell even a LITTLE like a fascist movement to you? Look at which side is somewhat agreeable... yes, I know... the Dems "forced" healthcare... but your side wasn't playing ball with anything... you just wanted it your way or nothing. But for the most part.. it's the Dems that have been doing the compromising and the GOP doing the stonewalling and Filibustering.

In the Alan Simpson thread, the subject of Hitler came up... so did a little research on Fascism... check out the link. There were about 12 symptoms... with paragraphs underneath describing the current situation... I ask you to look at the symptoms, which were written by a Scholar on the subject.... Ignore the paragraphs... which definitely has a "left" spin to them.

good grief, give us a break. we get your message, you hate Republicans and Conservatives.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

*sigh* did you read the exchanges going back to the point of origin re: my question to Nosmo King?

I had not, when I posted that.

Why should Nosmo King (a liberal) "hammer" people for issues he agrees with?

this is the original post.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3836254-post243.html


My question was simply, why this is a big deal? everyone pursues their own chosen ideology, and there is no why in this context, imho.

I was just asking where he was coming from, she is no more right than you or me or NK.

There have been many media outlets that have beat the crap out of this, because there is supposed to be a truce or a focus on financial issues, yet, I have never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why those very same media outlets ( and folks here) beat the drum for doma dadt and the dream act in November ( and there after), while bachmann et al gets whacked if they pursue theirs, as if THEY should just stop?

of course we all beat on each other right on left etc etc..thats not even a question in my mind, its who's doing the beating and the hypocrisy that gets to me.

The problem that I have is that when you use such standards for "hypocrisy", EVERYONE becomes a hypocrite, to some extent or another.

 

[Seawytch]

So, you are complimenting her husband by saying he is gay, right?

Bitter dyke.

I think it's a compliment...HE wouldn't. And Michelle "I've been trapped in a bathroom by marauding lesbians" Bachmman would be apoplectic.

So, you WERE complimenting Bachmann and her husband.




Yup, I predicted the lie.

Bitter dyke.

I was simply stating that the homophobic Bachmman family are throwing stones from a house made of glass. The only bitterness seems to be your own.

 

[GHook93]

Yea because Think Progress is always a creditable source! They don't distort or outright lie about conservatives at all!

 

[Stephanie]

I think it's a compliment...HE wouldn't. And Michelle "I've been trapped in a bathroom by marauding lesbians" Bachmman would be apoplectic.

So, you WERE complimenting Bachmann and her husband.




Yup, I predicted the lie.

Bitter dyke.

I was simply stating that the homophobic Bachmman family are throwing stones from a house made of glass. The only bitterness seems to be your own.

homophobic...there is THAT WEAPON I was talking about. Then you wonder why people can't stand some of you.

 

[Si modo]

I think it's a compliment...HE wouldn't. And Michelle "I've been trapped in a bathroom by marauding lesbians" Bachmman would be apoplectic.

So, you WERE complimenting Bachmann and her husband.




Yup, I predicted the lie.

Bitter dyke.

I was simply stating that the homophobic Bachmman family are throwing stones from a house made of glass. The only bitterness seems to be your own.

Actually, you said you said you were complimenting her husband by calling him gay. That is a lie, but I'm glad you showed yourself to be a liar because now you look like a liar who is also one who tries to weasel out of her lie when called on it. Not that most didn't already know.

 

[Dot Com]

She is a shameless opportunist that one

 

[Trajan]

I had not, when I posted that.

Why should Nosmo King (a liberal) "hammer" people for issues he agrees with?

this is the original post.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3836254-post243.html


My question was simply, why this is a big deal? everyone pursues their own chosen ideology, and there is no why in this context, imho.

I was just asking where he was coming from, she is no more right than you or me or NK.

There have been many media outlets that have beat the crap out of this, because there is supposed to be a truce or a focus on financial issues, yet, I have never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why those very same media outlets ( and folks here) beat the drum for doma dadt and the dream act in November ( and there after), while bachmann et al gets whacked if they pursue theirs, as if THEY should just stop?

of course we all beat on each other right on left etc etc..thats not even a question in my mind, its who's doing the beating and the hypocrisy that gets to me.

The problem that I have is that when you use such standards for "hypocrisy", EVERYONE becomes a hypocrite, to some extent or another.

and there is 'degree' in everything. this is pretty small potatoes.

dadt passed in nov. , obama has instructed the DOJ NOT to defend doma......he has also instructed the immigration bureau to (not in all) but many, allow what is a defacto dream act.

bachmann signs a vow to throw the usual red meat to a base constituency ( they ALLL do it) and she is 15 months out from the election, 6 from the first primary, to do well nothing because she has absolutely no power to do anything and the odds are HUGE that she never will and, the right is full of fire breathing religious wingnuts and to top it off mis-characterizes the supposed smoking gun.

and oh all that garbage in the sheeple media ( who never seems to get around btw, to questions why obama with NO primary opponent needs to start his re-election camp. in April and during an economic meltdown) ala "where are the gop contenders ..where are the gop candidates etc.

This is EXACTLY why they want them in....to savage them, so as to sell news and get ahead of the game minimalising them.

 

[mudwhistle]

The truth is a "weapon against people"? What did I say that was "against" gays and lesbians?

Please direct us to the 'truth' you posted.

All we see is a bitter dyke.

That Michelle Bachmman's very enthusiastic husband is just one toe tap away from pulling a Larry Craig.

Now again, where is the alleged "bitterness" you see?

Funny how you get your undies in a twist over my statements and get all indignant about your gay relative...but have no problem using pejoratives for gays and lesbians.

Oh the irony...

Seems the left is the first to ***** when one of their's is accused of being Gay.

 

[Seawytch]

wtf. homosexuals have ALL the same rights that the rest of us have.

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

where does it state MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT? and are you now going to say they AREN'T IN THE MILITARY? really?
talk about WEDGE ISSUES, you Liberals are famous for using them.

The Supreme Court has declared that marriage is a fundamental right... But you knew that already...

Gays could not, until very recently, serve without fear of discharge if their sexual orientation was disclosed or discovered.

 

[elvis]

Really? Why can't they get married or join the service then?

where does it state MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT? and are you now going to say they AREN'T IN THE MILITARY? really?
talk about WEDGE ISSUES, you Liberals are famous for using them.

The Supreme Court has declared that marriage is a fundamental right... But you knew that already...

Gays could not, until very recently, serve without fear of discharge if their sexual orientation was disclosed or discovered.

If it's a right, why do you need a license?

 

[Avatar4321]

It would take a Constitutional Amendment to ban pornography. I have no love for pornography. Personally I wish people would flee it on their own. In fact, I encourage anyone caught in the grasp of Pornographies web to flee it and seek help because you can be healed from the damage it causes.

Even then, I can't see myself actively supporting a Constitutional amendment for it. And honestly, if the pornography epidemic is as bad as I think it is, there wont be enough people off it to support the amendment either.

No, like the other aspects of the cultural war, we need to fight this in the hearts and minds of the people and not in the law. If we need to resort to using the law, we've already lost.

 

[bodecea]

where does it state MARRIAGE IS A RIGHT? and are you now going to say they AREN'T IN THE MILITARY? really?
talk about WEDGE ISSUES, you Liberals are famous for using them.

The Supreme Court has declared that marriage is a fundamental right... But you knew that already...

Gays could not, until very recently, serve without fear of discharge if their sexual orientation was disclosed or discovered.

If it's a right, why do you need a license?

Registered so those rights and privileges are filed for legal purposed....documentation documentation documentation.

 

[bodecea]

Liberals say they are FOR homosexuals, but then they turn around and USE THEM as a weapon AGAINST PEOPLE.

Now you can understand why a LOT of people feel the way they do.

Nope...try again.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

this is the original post.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3836254-post243.html


My question was simply, why this is a big deal? everyone pursues their own chosen ideology, and there is no why in this context, imho.

I was just asking where he was coming from, she is no more right than you or me or NK.

There have been many media outlets that have beat the crap out of this, because there is supposed to be a truce or a focus on financial issues, yet, I have never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why those very same media outlets ( and folks here) beat the drum for doma dadt and the dream act in November ( and there after), while bachmann et al gets whacked if they pursue theirs, as if THEY should just stop?

of course we all beat on each other right on left etc etc..thats not even a question in my mind, its who's doing the beating and the hypocrisy that gets to me.

The problem that I have is that when you use such standards for "hypocrisy", EVERYONE becomes a hypocrite, to some extent or another.

and there is 'degree' in everything. this is pretty small potatoes.

dadt passed in nov. , obama has instructed the DOJ NOT to defend doma......he has also instructed the immigration bureau to (not in all) but many, allow what is a defacto dream act.

bachmann signs a vow to throw the usual red meat to a base constituency ( they ALLL do it) and she is 15 months out from the election, 6 from the first primary, to do well nothing because she has absolutely no power to do anything and the odds are HUGE that she never will and, the right is full of fire breathing religious wingnuts and to top it off mis-characterizes the supposed smoking gun.

and oh all that garbage in the sheeple media ( who never seems to get around btw, to questions why obama with NO primary opponent needs to start his re-election camp. in April and during an economic meltdown) ala "where are the gop contenders ..where are the gop candidates etc.

This is EXACTLY why they want them in....to savage them, so as to sell news and get ahead of the game minimalising them.

I agree with most of what you've said here.

But my point is more along the lines of this: Do you think the fact that it's not surprising in the least that Bachmann signed the pledge (if I were her *shudder*, I would have signed it too - that's what her base wants) means that people who vehemently disagree with that pledge shouldn't be upset about it?

No one is surprised that Michelle Bachmann signed this pledge. No one should be surprised that it would upset people as well.