Autocracy or Democracy

Simple Question, Anarchy or Democracy

  • Anarchy

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Democracy

    Votes: 4 66.7%
  • Autocracy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Democracy

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
    6
She was asking a legal question and he said he isn't a lawyer.




Do you prefer a democracy or a republic?
He is supposed to know the Constitution himself, otherwise have the lawyers also take the oath.

By the way, you and Trump have had no problem accusing Biden and the Democrats about breaking the Constitution. He has not had his lawyers make the legal case, has he?
 
That's a non-answer.
so you want a detailed answer? Your wish is my command. Tell me, which of these 10 points, Trump has not used:

So you want to be an autocrat? Here’s the 10-point checklist

1. Extend executive power​

The mainstay of today’s authoritarianism is strengthening your power while simultaneously weakening government institutions, such as parliaments and judiciaries, that provide checks and balances.

The key is to use legal means that ultimately give democratic legitimacy to the power grab. Extreme forms of this include abolishing presidential term limits, which was done in China; and regressive constitutional reforms to expand presidential power, like in Turkey.

2. Repress dissent and citizen efforts to hold government accountable​

Restrictions on funding and other bureaucratic limitations silence the ability of the people to hold accountable those in power. More than 50 countries have passed laws that stifle citizen groups. Democracies have also jumped on this bandwagon. Limitations on permits for public protest, detention of protesters and excessive use of force to break up demonstrations are frequently used tools.

3. Capture elite support and, when needed, demonize them too​

Economic growth and prosperity are critical to retaining elite or oligarchical support for autocratic leaders. Whether through state-owned businesses, media conglomerates or more sophisticated connections between governments and free-market corporations, money and politics, translated into government favors for the rich, can be a toxic mix for democracy.

Ironically, popular distaste with elite corruption is so high that modern autocratic populists, such as President Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, have even risen to power on anti-corruption promises.

4. Appeal to populism and nationalism​

Most would-be autocratic leaders today exploit existing tensions within complex societies in order to solidify their support.

In many places, fears of migrants and refugees have fueled resurgent nationalism, driving policies like U.K.’s Brexit. In India, religiously based nationalism has maintained the power of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Blaming external forces for a country’s problems, such as Hungarian leader Viktor Orban’s demonization of George Soros, a Hungarian-born philanthropist who supports democracy-building, is also common.

5. Control information at home; misinform abroad​

While propaganda and state-owned media is not new, control of modern technology and information has become a key battleground.

China has developed sophisticated technologies to censor and prevent the circulation of unwanted information and to track individuals in society.

Russia is at the vanguard of state media control at home while generating misinformation abroad. Many smaller countries have used internet blackouts to block organizing and communicating by social movements.

6. Cripple the opposition​

Damaging the opposition parties, while not completely destroying them, is now essential. Infiltrating parties, co-opting members and using pure scare tactics are some possible actions in the autocrat’s playbook. This serves the purpose of retaining a target for pseudo-political competition while also stymieing the potential for new, more democratic forces to gain traction.

7. Covert election manipulation​

Mostly gone are the days of vote-rigging and vote-buying as a path to power. Would-be autocrats have found cleverer ways to tilt the playing field in their favor. These new tactics include hampering media access, gerrymandering, changing election and voter eligibility rules and placing allies on electoral commissions.

8. Play the emergency card​

Some autocratic leaders continue to use traditional strong-arm tactics, like declaring states of emergency, to enable further repression.

Since 2001, using the threat of terrorism or organized crime has played well for furthering autocratic rule. President Rodrigo Duterte’s drug war, which seems to have resulted in thousands dead in the Philippines, is one illustration.

Since an attempted coup in 2016 up until 2018, for example, Turkey was under a state of emergency which enabled President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to jail and persecute academics, government officials, media and human rights advocates.

9. Extend your model and influence​

Today’s autocratic rulers are not keeping to themselves.

Using the international stage and their growing economic prowess, countries like China are spreading their influence through funding initiatives such as the Belt and Road to build infrastructure across Asia to Europe. They’re hiring professional consultants to advise and lobby foreign capitals for policies that reinforce their power.

10. Learn and share​

Characterized as “autocratic learning” by scholars, national authorities from Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Syria and other places are developing and exchanging models for containing threats of social movements and the so-called “color revolutions.”
 
so you want a detailed answer? Your wish is my command. Tell me, which of these 10 points, Trump has not used:

So you want to be an autocrat? Here’s the 10-point checklist

1. Extend executive power​

The mainstay of today’s authoritarianism is strengthening your power while simultaneously weakening government institutions, such as parliaments and judiciaries, that provide checks and balances.

The key is to use legal means that ultimately give democratic legitimacy to the power grab. Extreme forms of this include abolishing presidential term limits, which was done in China; and regressive constitutional reforms to expand presidential power, like in Turkey.

2. Repress dissent and citizen efforts to hold government accountable​

Restrictions on funding and other bureaucratic limitations silence the ability of the people to hold accountable those in power. More than 50 countries have passed laws that stifle citizen groups. Democracies have also jumped on this bandwagon. Limitations on permits for public protest, detention of protesters and excessive use of force to break up demonstrations are frequently used tools.

3. Capture elite support and, when needed, demonize them too​

Economic growth and prosperity are critical to retaining elite or oligarchical support for autocratic leaders. Whether through state-owned businesses, media conglomerates or more sophisticated connections between governments and free-market corporations, money and politics, translated into government favors for the rich, can be a toxic mix for democracy.

Ironically, popular distaste with elite corruption is so high that modern autocratic populists, such as President Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, have even risen to power on anti-corruption promises.

4. Appeal to populism and nationalism​

Most would-be autocratic leaders today exploit existing tensions within complex societies in order to solidify their support.

In many places, fears of migrants and refugees have fueled resurgent nationalism, driving policies like U.K.’s Brexit. In India, religiously based nationalism has maintained the power of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Blaming external forces for a country’s problems, such as Hungarian leader Viktor Orban’s demonization of George Soros, a Hungarian-born philanthropist who supports democracy-building, is also common.

5. Control information at home; misinform abroad​

While propaganda and state-owned media is not new, control of modern technology and information has become a key battleground.

China has developed sophisticated technologies to censor and prevent the circulation of unwanted information and to track individuals in society.

Russia is at the vanguard of state media control at home while generating misinformation abroad. Many smaller countries have used internet blackouts to block organizing and communicating by social movements.

6. Cripple the opposition​

Damaging the opposition parties, while not completely destroying them, is now essential. Infiltrating parties, co-opting members and using pure scare tactics are some possible actions in the autocrat’s playbook. This serves the purpose of retaining a target for pseudo-political competition while also stymieing the potential for new, more democratic forces to gain traction.

7. Covert election manipulation​

Mostly gone are the days of vote-rigging and vote-buying as a path to power. Would-be autocrats have found cleverer ways to tilt the playing field in their favor. These new tactics include hampering media access, gerrymandering, changing election and voter eligibility rules and placing allies on electoral commissions.

8. Play the emergency card​

Some autocratic leaders continue to use traditional strong-arm tactics, like declaring states of emergency, to enable further repression.

Since 2001, using the threat of terrorism or organized crime has played well for furthering autocratic rule. President Rodrigo Duterte’s drug war, which seems to have resulted in thousands dead in the Philippines, is one illustration.

Since an attempted coup in 2016 up until 2018, for example, Turkey was under a state of emergency which enabled President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to jail and persecute academics, government officials, media and human rights advocates.

9. Extend your model and influence​

Today’s autocratic rulers are not keeping to themselves.

Using the international stage and their growing economic prowess, countries like China are spreading their influence through funding initiatives such as the Belt and Road to build infrastructure across Asia to Europe. They’re hiring professional consultants to advise and lobby foreign capitals for policies that reinforce their power.

10. Learn and share​

Characterized as “autocratic learning” by scholars, national authorities from Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Syria and other places are developing and exchanging models for containing threats of social movements and the so-called “color revolutions.”

That's not an answer from you. It is a cut and paste from someone else. You really can't think for yourself. :laughing0301:
 
Answer the question.


ok.

Historically, the "Constitution" has been changed quite a bit. The discovery of the "right" to abortion comes to mind. I think that Trump, though the courts, "changing" that BACK, was the right thing.

For one example.


I also think that the way we have been treating the "birthright citizenship" for the children of illegals who have their babies here, is dumb. Trump changing that, I also support.

For a second example.


I also think the way he is changing the way the civil rights division does it's job, so they are ALSO protecting white people, is a GREAT way of SUPPORTING the constitutional rights of people that have been great violated for generations.


for a third example.


So.... yeah. MAGA.
 
So you don't really believe in the rights of individuals, you just give it lip service.


I have no right to use the women's room. The desire of gays or trans to do so, is not a right, it is more than that. It is special treatment.

I support individual rights, I do not support their desire to have PRIVILEGES, over the rest of us.

That you want to use the terms incorrectly, is just you wanting to avoid defending your position honestly.
 
That's not an answer from you. It is a cut and paste from someone else. You really can't think for yourself. :laughing0301:
A debate board is where you prove your views by offering data, statistics, and fact. Proving one's own opinion with words is what the Trump supporters (like you) do, because that is all you have.....................opinion.

I certainly can see why you answered this way. I proved the point and you have nothing with which to contest it.

You are a total fake that lives in the ass of Trump
 
ok.

Historically, the "Constitution" has been changed quite a bit. The discovery of the "right" to abortion comes to mind. I think that Trump, though the courts, "changing" that BACK, was the right thing.

For one example.


I also think that the way we have been treating the "birthright citizenship" for the children of illegals who have their babies here, is dumb. Trump changing that, I also support.

For a second example.


I also think the way he is changing the way the civil rights division does it's job, so they are ALSO protecting white people, is a GREAT way of SUPPORTING the constitutional rights of people that have been great violated for generations.


for a third example.


So.... yeah. MAGA.
Your answer has NOTHING to do with the OP question.

Do you prefer Aristocracy with Trump doing what he wants with no restrictions or accountability or prefer Democracy where you vote counts?
 
A debate board is where you prove your views by offering data, statistics, and fact. Proving one's own opinion with words is what the Trump supporters (like you) do, because that is all you have.....................opinion.

I certainly can see why you answered this way. I proved the point and you have nothing with which to contest it.

You are a total fake that lives in the ass of Trump
I asked you a simple question and you have been unable to answer it yourself.
 
A debate board is where you prove your views by offering data, statistics, and fact. Proving one's own opinion with words is what the Trump supporters (like you) do, because that is all you have.....................opinion.

I certainly can see why you answered this way. I proved the point and you have nothing with which to contest it.

You are a total fake that lives in the ass of Trump


You disproved that when you supported the VERY FINE PEOPLE LIE.
 
Your answer has NOTHING to do with the OP question.

My answer has everything to do with your question as you stated it.

Do you prefer Aristocracy with Trump doing what he wants with no restrictions or accountability or prefer Democracy where you vote counts?

I reject your loaded question AND the false choice premise.


Trump is pushing hard and aggressively and that is NEEDED to undo the massive harms that the dems have done to our government and our society.
 
YOu're joking, right?

Nope. I am a man and I have no right to use the women's room.

Some other guy wanting to use it, is not a right. That is MORE than a right. That is him having a special privilege based on his use of political power to demand society and women bow to his wishes.

That's the reality of the situation. You can talk some shit talk, and play some word games, and try to... confuse the issue, but..

it means nothing. The reality doesn't change no matter how much you manage to confuse yourself.
 
Nope. I am a man and I have no right to use the women's room.

Some other guy wanting to use it, is not a right. That is MORE than a right. That is him having a special privilege based on his use of political power to demand society and women bow to his wishes.

That's the reality of the situation. You can talk some shit talk, and play some word games, and try to... confuse the issue, but..

it means nothing. The reality doesn't change no matter how much you manage to confuse yourself.
Where does this right to separate bathrooms come from?
 
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