Atheists on this board answer this question....

[2aguy]

I see you are choosing to not read the links. Every single fetal murder law contains a provision which says the law does not apply to abortion.

Which make them immoral and authorizing state sanctioned murder....you libs are all against that when the person to be killed is a serial rapist murderer...you fight tooth and nail to keep him alive....but then you tie yourselves into knots trying to justify ending the life of an infant....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Our country has decided that the mother of the fetus retains all rights to the life of the fetus up through the second trimester. If the fetus is murdered without the consent of the mother, then that murder is subject to prosecution as a violation of the mother's rights, not the fetus'.

And that is the way the fetal murder laws are written.

One can argue over whether the fetus has inherent rights unconnected to the mother, but our country has decided a fetus does not.

There is no contradiction in the law.

The contradiction is in the conflict with soundly reasoned morality.

There is no means to justify the taking of a human life, by a person of equal rights to the life which THAT PERSON is choosing to take.

That 'our cutlure' decided such is irrelevant. And that is without regard to the fact that a stark majority of our culture REJECTS the idea today, as it rejected the idea in the early 70s and has ALWAYS rejected the idea that there is a right to murder a pre-born child who was conceived through the willful behavior of the woman who is 'CHOOSING' to MURDER THAT LIFE!

To even try and claim that there is no conflict is LUDICROUS on its face.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

You will find that every single state that has a fetal murder law exempts abortion..

Yes... of course: The Law regarding the Murder Pre-born Children incontrovertibly severs itself from the essential moral component required for law to be legitimate, in that one Law recognizes the Pre-born child as a human being and that human beings rightful claim to its own life, and the other does not, authorizing the murder of that human being, justifying the murder of that human being at the whim of another human being which the law otherwise recognizes as having EQUAL RIGHTS, thus in no way does one innocent human life stand superior to another.

There is no potential "RIGHT" for one person to take the life of an innocent human being. And that is because ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL BEFORE GOD, thus... before the law.

This of course is rejected by the intellectual perversion known as Relativism.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly reasoned moral absolutes.

It is through this deviation in reason that relativism axiomatically rejects the objectivity which is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

And it is THERE that it becomes clear WHY the Ideological Left fails to serve justice in every aspect of governance, with the would-be "Right to CHOOSE!" not being the least of that extensive list.

Um. No.

The law says that the mother retains the rights to the life of the fetus, at least up through the second trimester. Therefore, if the life of the fetus is taken without her consent, that is prosecutable. If the life of the fetus is taken with her consent, there is nothing to be prosecuted.

There is no contradiction. It's really that simple.

Exactly, the law says a mother can consent to murdering her child up until the second trimester.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You will find that every single state that has a fetal murder law exempts abortion..

Yes... of course: The Law regarding the Murder Pre-born Children incontrovertibly severs itself from the essential moral component required for law to be legitimate, in that one Law recognizes the Pre-born child as a human being and that human beings rightful claim to its own life, and the other does not, authorizing the murder of that human being, justifying the murder of that human being at the whim of another human being which the law otherwise recognizes as having EQUAL RIGHTS, thus in no way does one innocent human life stand superior to another.

There is no potential "RIGHT" for one person to take the life of an innocent human being. And that is because ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL BEFORE GOD, thus... before the law.

This of course is rejected by the intellectual perversion known as Relativism.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly reasoned moral absolutes.

It is through this deviation in reason that relativism axiomatically rejects the objectivity which is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

And it is THERE that it becomes clear WHY the Ideological Left fails to serve justice in every aspect of governance, with the would-be "Right to CHOOSE!" not being the least of that extensive list.

Um. No.

The law says that the mother retains the rights to the life of the fetus, at least up through the second trimester. Therefore, if the life of the fetus is taken without her consent, that is prosecutable. If the life of the fetus is taken with her consent, there is nothing to be prosecuted.

There is no contradiction. It's really that simple.

The law is wrong. And it is wrong because it fails to serve JUSTICE!

The Mother does not create life. She conceived it. Mothers do not GIVE life... they nurture it.

Mothers enjoy the same rights as the children they conceive.

You may disagree and that's fine. But disagreement, by itself, does NOT a viable contest make.

It should be noted that "The LAW' does not give rights, because those MAKING LAW, possess the same rights as everyone else. Placing them EQUAL to everyone else, therefore they are not in a position to GRANT RIGHTS TO ANYONE. The purpose of law is to serve justice in DEFENSE OF RIGHTS and the means of those possessing them to fairly exercise such.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We are not that far removed from religious extremists killing infidels in our own country. The KKK was putting out fatwas against infidels in my own lifetime, and their members were executing people.

It would not take much for us to slide back into that madness. There are some on this forum who would welcome it.

LOL! "Far removed"?

Since the early 1970s, 50 million innocent human beings have been OPENLY MURDERED by fundamentalist... such is the depths of their deprivation; their perversion, that they claim a RIGHT to murder the most innocent and helpless of ALL human life.

While I in NO WAY EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR: At the least the Klan rationalized that those they murdered had on SOME LEVEL perpetrated a crime against them... .

The Klan never engaged in the wilfull and wanton behavior that CONCEIVED THOSE THEY MURDERED. The Klan was never SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELL BEING OF THOSE THEY MURDERED.

Those the klan murdered could at least SPEAK IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE... they at least had SOME MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES; TO RUN FROM OR FIGHT AGAINST THE KLAN!

Not so in the case of those who are TODAY walking around in our culture OPENLY, FERVENTLY, DEFIANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY DEMANDING THAT THEIR LIVES ARE SUPERIOR TO THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN PRE-BORN CHILDREN WHO THEY CLAIM A "RIGHT" TO MURDER!

 

[healthmyths]

We are not that far removed from religious extremists killing infidels in our own country. The KKK was putting out fatwas against infidels in my own lifetime, and their members were executing people.

It would not take much for us to slide back into that madness. There are some on this forum who would welcome it.

LOL! "Far removed"?

Since the early 1970s, 50 million innocent human beings have been OPENLY MURDERED by fundamentalist... such is the depths of their deprivation; their perversion, that they claim a RIGHT to murder the most innocent and helpless of ALL human life.

While I in NO WAY EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR: At the least the Klan rationalized that those they murdered had on SOME LEVEL perpetrated a crime against them... .

The Klan never engaged in the wilfull and wanton behavior that CONCEIVED THOSE THEY MURDERED. The Klan was never SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELL BEING OF THOSE THEY MURDERED.

Those the klan murdered could at least SPEAK IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE... they at least had SOME MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES; TO RUN FROM OR FIGHT AGAINST THE KLAN!

Not so in the case of those who are TODAY walking around in our culture OPENLY, FERVENTLY, DEFIANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY DEMANDING THAT THEIR LIVES ARE SUPERIOR TO THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN PRE-BORN CHILDREN WHO THEY CLAIM A "RIGHT" TO MURDER!

You know the WORST thing is these statistics:

36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% [were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by women having abortions have one or more previously.

Facts About Abortion U.S. Abortion Statistics

These are women who have had 2 or more abortions and they should be given a choice to have a tubal ligation.
And it would be for the safety of the woman!

According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion,
a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following
year than women who carry their pregnancies to term.
In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.
Abortion Risks A list of major physical complications related to abortion After Abortion

So if these women that have had 2 previous abortions are
A) warned they are cutting their lives short by continuing to have abortions
B) if they wish they can have a tubal ligation thus insuring they at least won't have to worry about having another abortion.

Not only would this reduce the amount of abortions BUT save women's lives!
Why would any feminist be against that?
After all planned parenthood's founder favored ethnic cleansing ...
In fact Planned Parenthood founders hated Black children so much their founder said the following:
Like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger considered herself to be part of a genetically superior elite who had to protect themselves against "hereditary taints."
She set out to start a "New Race" - "A Race of Thoroughbreds."
In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which was renamed "Planned Parenthood" in 1942.
In 1952 she helped found the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), serving as its first president until 1959.
Even today, Planned Parenthood proudly proclaims Margaret Sanger as its "visionary" founder.
The Nuremberg Files Abortion Birth Control Margaret Sanger Founder Planned Parenthood Lancaster PA Pa Abortion Clinic Birth Control Holocaust Murder Nazi German Dictator Adolf Hitler German Eugenics Murder Nazi Germany

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You will find that every single state that has a fetal murder law exempts abortion..

Yes... of course: The Law regarding the Murder Pre-born Children incontrovertibly severs itself from the essential moral component required for law to be legitimate, in that one Law recognizes the Pre-born child as a human being and that human beings rightful claim to its own life, and the other does not, authorizing the murder of that human being, justifying the murder of that human being at the whim of another human being which the law otherwise recognizes as having EQUAL RIGHTS, thus in no way does one innocent human life stand superior to another.

There is no potential "RIGHT" for one person to take the life of an innocent human being. And that is because ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL BEFORE GOD, thus... before the law.

This of course is rejected by the intellectual perversion known as Relativism.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly reasoned moral absolutes.

It is through this deviation in reason that relativism axiomatically rejects the objectivity which is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

And it is THERE that it becomes clear WHY the Ideological Left fails to serve justice in every aspect of governance, with the would-be "Right to CHOOSE!" not being the least of that extensive list.

Ignorant nonsense.

You're confusing criminal law and procedural due process (murder), with civil law and substantive due process (privacy rights), where the latter prohibits the state from compelling a woman to give birth against her will.

Laws concerning the death of a fetus resulting from a violent criminal act against the mother address ending the pregnancy without the woman's consent – the crime was committed against the woman, she is the victim of that crime, not the fetus, which is entitled to no Constitutional protections.

Death of the fetus laws have no bearing whatsoever on the protected liberty of a woman to decide whether to have a child or not free from unwarranted interference by the state:

'Constitutional protection of the woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy derives from the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It declares that no State shall "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The controlling word in the case before us is "liberty." Although a literal reading of the Clause might suggest that it governs only the procedures by which a State may deprive persons of liberty, for at least 105 years, at least since Mugler v. Kansas, 123 U.S. 623, 660-661 (1887), the Clause has been understood to contain a substantive component as well, one "barring certain government actions regardless of the fairness of the procedures used to implement them." Daniels v. Williams, 474 U.S. 327, 331 (1986)[.]'

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey 505 U.S. 833 1992

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You will find that every single state that has a fetal murder law exempts abortion..

Yes... of course: The Law regarding the Murder Pre-born Children incontrovertibly severs itself from the essential moral component required for law to be legitimate, in that one Law recognizes the Pre-born child as a human being and that human beings rightful claim to its own life, and the other does not, authorizing the murder of that human being, justifying the murder of that human being at the whim of another human being which the law otherwise recognizes as having EQUAL RIGHTS, thus in no way does one innocent human life stand superior to another.

There is no potential "RIGHT" for one person to take the life of an innocent human being. And that is because ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL BEFORE GOD, thus... before the law.

This of course is rejected by the intellectual perversion known as Relativism.

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and personal context, and, as such can never be the result of soundly reasoned moral absolutes.

It is through this deviation in reason that relativism axiomatically rejects the objectivity which is essential to truth.

And with truth being essential to trust and, both of those being critical to the establishment of a soundly reasoned morality, and because a soundly reasoned morality is essential to Justice... it becomes clear to reasonable people, that Relativism can never serve justice.

And it is THERE that it becomes clear WHY the Ideological Left fails to serve justice in every aspect of governance, with the would-be "Right to CHOOSE!" not being the least of that extensive list.

Ignorant nonsense.

You're confusing criminal law and procedural due process (murder), with civil law and substantive due process (privacy rights), where the latter prohibits the state from compelling a woman to give birth against her will.

No... I'm not confusing anything. You're intentionally dismissing the fundamental basis of law, which is morality.

Law is only legitimate where law is objective, thus where law serves justice. Justice can only be served where EVERY HUMAN BEING is EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW. Where one individual stands superior to another, justice is lost.

Roe is a ludicrous ruling, failing every principle of reason... Roe has resulted in unprecedented genocide of the 50 million of the most innocent, defenseless human being.

It's not even a debatable point.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We are not that far removed from religious extremists killing infidels in our own country. The KKK was putting out fatwas against infidels in my own lifetime, and their members were executing people.

It would not take much for us to slide back into that madness. There are some on this forum who would welcome it.

LOL! "Far removed"?

Since the early 1970s, 50 million innocent human beings have been OPENLY MURDERED by fundamentalist... such is the depths of their deprivation; their perversion, that they claim a RIGHT to murder the most innocent and helpless of ALL human life.

While I in NO WAY EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR: At the least the Klan rationalized that those they murdered had on SOME LEVEL perpetrated a crime against them... .

The Klan never engaged in the wilfull and wanton behavior that CONCEIVED THOSE THEY MURDERED. The Klan was never SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELL BEING OF THOSE THEY MURDERED.

Those the klan murdered could at least SPEAK IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE... they at least had SOME MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES; TO RUN FROM OR FIGHT AGAINST THE KLAN!

Not so in the case of those who are TODAY walking around in our culture OPENLY, FERVENTLY, DEFIANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY DEMANDING THAT THEIR LIVES ARE SUPERIOR TO THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN PRE-BORN CHILDREN WHO THEY CLAIM A "RIGHT" TO MURDER!

You know the WORST thing is these statistics:

36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% [were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by women having abortions have one or more previously.

Facts About Abortion U.S. Abortion Statistics

These are women who have had 2 or more abortions and they should be given a choice to have a tubal ligation.
And it would be for the safety of the woman!

According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion,
a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following
year than women who carry their pregnancies to term.
In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.
Abortion Risks A list of major physical complications related to abortion After Abortion

So if these women that have had 2 previous abortions are
A) warned they are cutting their lives short by continuing to have abortions
B) if they wish they can have a tubal ligation thus insuring they at least won't have to worry about having another abortion.

Not only would this reduce the amount of abortions BUT save women's lives!
Why would any feminist be against that?
After all planned parenthood's founder favored ethnic cleansing ...
In fact Planned Parenthood founders hated Black children so much their founder said the following:
Like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger considered herself to be part of a genetically superior elite who had to protect themselves against "hereditary taints."
She set out to start a "New Race" - "A Race of Thoroughbreds."
In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which was renamed "Planned Parenthood" in 1942.
In 1952 she helped found the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), serving as its first president until 1959.
Even today, Planned Parenthood proudly proclaims Margaret Sanger as its "visionary" founder.
The Nuremberg Files Abortion Birth Control Margaret Sanger Founder Planned Parenthood Lancaster PA Pa Abortion Clinic Birth Control Holocaust Murder Nazi German Dictator Adolf Hitler German Eugenics Murder Nazi Germany

I agree... Women who are not prepared to raise the children that they conceive and who can't find the strength of character to abstain from intercourse, should be sterilized.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

We are not that far removed from religious extremists killing infidels in our own country. The KKK was putting out fatwas against infidels in my own lifetime, and their members were executing people.

It would not take much for us to slide back into that madness. There are some on this forum who would welcome it.

LOL! "Far removed"?

Since the early 1970s, 50 million innocent human beings have been OPENLY MURDERED by fundamentalist... such is the depths of their deprivation; their perversion, that they claim a RIGHT to murder the most innocent and helpless of ALL human life.

While I in NO WAY EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR: At the least the Klan rationalized that those they murdered had on SOME LEVEL perpetrated a crime against them... .

The Klan never engaged in the wilfull and wanton behavior that CONCEIVED THOSE THEY MURDERED. The Klan was never SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELL BEING OF THOSE THEY MURDERED.

Those the klan murdered could at least SPEAK IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE... they at least had SOME MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES; TO RUN FROM OR FIGHT AGAINST THE KLAN!

Not so in the case of those who are TODAY walking around in our culture OPENLY, FERVENTLY, DEFIANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY DEMANDING THAT THEIR LIVES ARE SUPERIOR TO THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN PRE-BORN CHILDREN WHO THEY CLAIM A "RIGHT" TO MURDER!

You know the WORST thing is these statistics:

36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% [were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by women having abortions have one or more previously.

Facts About Abortion U.S. Abortion Statistics

These are women who have had 2 or more abortions and they should be given a choice to have a tubal ligation.
And it would be for the safety of the woman!

According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion,
a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following
year than women who carry their pregnancies to term.
In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.
Abortion Risks A list of major physical complications related to abortion After Abortion

So if these women that have had 2 previous abortions are
A) warned they are cutting their lives short by continuing to have abortions
B) if they wish they can have a tubal ligation thus insuring they at least won't have to worry about having another abortion.

Not only would this reduce the amount of abortions BUT save women's lives!
Why would any feminist be against that?
After all planned parenthood's founder favored ethnic cleansing ...
In fact Planned Parenthood founders hated Black children so much their founder said the following:
Like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger considered herself to be part of a genetically superior elite who had to protect themselves against "hereditary taints."
She set out to start a "New Race" - "A Race of Thoroughbreds."
In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which was renamed "Planned Parenthood" in 1942.
In 1952 she helped found the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), serving as its first president until 1959.
Even today, Planned Parenthood proudly proclaims Margaret Sanger as its "visionary" founder.
The Nuremberg Files Abortion Birth Control Margaret Sanger Founder Planned Parenthood Lancaster PA Pa Abortion Clinic Birth Control Holocaust Murder Nazi German Dictator Adolf Hitler German Eugenics Murder Nazi Germany

I agree... Women who are not prepared to raise the children that they conceive and who can't find the strength of character to abstain from intercourse, should be sterilized.

And what about the men who may potentially father unwanted offspring? Should they be sterilized? How does the state determine if someone is not prepared for children or, to paraphrase, is a slut?

Was I misinformed that conservatives were for smaller government?

 

[Coloradomtnman]

I see you are choosing to not read the links. Every single fetal murder law contains a provision which says the law does not apply to abortion.

Which make them immoral and authorizing state sanctioned murder....you libs are all against that when the person to be killed is a serial rapist murderer...you fight tooth and nail to keep him alive....but then you tie yourselves into knots trying to justify ending the life of an infant....

The liberal position is not to spare the guilty from capital punishment, but to spare the innocent from capital punishment. No human system is perfect, and death is irrevocable.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We are not that far removed from religious extremists killing infidels in our own country. The KKK was putting out fatwas against infidels in my own lifetime, and their members were executing people.

It would not take much for us to slide back into that madness. There are some on this forum who would welcome it.

LOL! "Far removed"?

Since the early 1970s, 50 million innocent human beings have been OPENLY MURDERED by fundamentalist... such is the depths of their deprivation; their perversion, that they claim a RIGHT to murder the most innocent and helpless of ALL human life.

While I in NO WAY EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR: At the least the Klan rationalized that those they murdered had on SOME LEVEL perpetrated a crime against them... .

The Klan never engaged in the wilfull and wanton behavior that CONCEIVED THOSE THEY MURDERED. The Klan was never SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELL BEING OF THOSE THEY MURDERED.

Those the klan murdered could at least SPEAK IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE... they at least had SOME MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES; TO RUN FROM OR FIGHT AGAINST THE KLAN!

Not so in the case of those who are TODAY walking around in our culture OPENLY, FERVENTLY, DEFIANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY DEMANDING THAT THEIR LIVES ARE SUPERIOR TO THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN PRE-BORN CHILDREN WHO THEY CLAIM A "RIGHT" TO MURDER!

You know the WORST thing is these statistics:

36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% [were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by women having abortions have one or more previously.

Facts About Abortion U.S. Abortion Statistics

These are women who have had 2 or more abortions and they should be given a choice to have a tubal ligation.
And it would be for the safety of the woman!

According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion,
a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following
year than women who carry their pregnancies to term.
In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.
Abortion Risks A list of major physical complications related to abortion After Abortion

So if these women that have had 2 previous abortions are
A) warned they are cutting their lives short by continuing to have abortions
B) if they wish they can have a tubal ligation thus insuring they at least won't have to worry about having another abortion.

Not only would this reduce the amount of abortions BUT save women's lives!
Why would any feminist be against that?
After all planned parenthood's founder favored ethnic cleansing ...
In fact Planned Parenthood founders hated Black children so much their founder said the following:
Like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger considered herself to be part of a genetically superior elite who had to protect themselves against "hereditary taints."
She set out to start a "New Race" - "A Race of Thoroughbreds."
In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which was renamed "Planned Parenthood" in 1942.
In 1952 she helped found the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), serving as its first president until 1959.
Even today, Planned Parenthood proudly proclaims Margaret Sanger as its "visionary" founder.
The Nuremberg Files Abortion Birth Control Margaret Sanger Founder Planned Parenthood Lancaster PA Pa Abortion Clinic Birth Control Holocaust Murder Nazi German Dictator Adolf Hitler German Eugenics Murder Nazi Germany

I agree... Women who are not prepared to raise the children that they conceive and who can't find the strength of character to abstain from intercourse, should be sterilized.

And what about the men who may potentially father unwanted offspring? Should they be sterilized?

Works for me. I can't see a downside.

How does the state determine if someone is not prepared for children or, to paraphrase, is a slut?

Well the first clue is 'someone' shows up demanding a second abortion.

Was I misinformed that conservatives were for smaller government?

How much government does it take to sterilize women who we are presently providing abortions for?

 

[healthmyths]

We are not that far removed from religious extremists killing infidels in our own country. The KKK was putting out fatwas against infidels in my own lifetime, and their members were executing people.

It would not take much for us to slide back into that madness. There are some on this forum who would welcome it.

LOL! "Far removed"?

Since the early 1970s, 50 million innocent human beings have been OPENLY MURDERED by fundamentalist... such is the depths of their deprivation; their perversion, that they claim a RIGHT to murder the most innocent and helpless of ALL human life.

While I in NO WAY EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR: At the least the Klan rationalized that those they murdered had on SOME LEVEL perpetrated a crime against them... .

The Klan never engaged in the wilfull and wanton behavior that CONCEIVED THOSE THEY MURDERED. The Klan was never SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELL BEING OF THOSE THEY MURDERED.

Those the klan murdered could at least SPEAK IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE... they at least had SOME MEANS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES; TO RUN FROM OR FIGHT AGAINST THE KLAN!

Not so in the case of those who are TODAY walking around in our culture OPENLY, FERVENTLY, DEFIANTLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY DEMANDING THAT THEIR LIVES ARE SUPERIOR TO THE LIVES OF THEIR OWN PRE-BORN CHILDREN WHO THEY CLAIM A "RIGHT" TO MURDER!

You know the WORST thing is these statistics:

36.6% were performed on women with one or two prior abortions, and
8.1% [were performed on women with three or more prior abortions (CDC).
44.7% or nearly half by women having abortions have one or more previously.

Facts About Abortion U.S. Abortion Statistics

These are women who have had 2 or more abortions and they should be given a choice to have a tubal ligation.
And it would be for the safety of the woman!

According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion,
a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following
year than women who carry their pregnancies to term.
In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant.
Abortion Risks A list of major physical complications related to abortion After Abortion

So if these women that have had 2 previous abortions are
A) warned they are cutting their lives short by continuing to have abortions
B) if they wish they can have a tubal ligation thus insuring they at least won't have to worry about having another abortion.

Not only would this reduce the amount of abortions BUT save women's lives!
Why would any feminist be against that?
After all planned parenthood's founder favored ethnic cleansing ...
In fact Planned Parenthood founders hated Black children so much their founder said the following:
Like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger considered herself to be part of a genetically superior elite who had to protect themselves against "hereditary taints."
She set out to start a "New Race" - "A Race of Thoroughbreds."
In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which was renamed "Planned Parenthood" in 1942.
In 1952 she helped found the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), serving as its first president until 1959.
Even today, Planned Parenthood proudly proclaims Margaret Sanger as its "visionary" founder.
The Nuremberg Files Abortion Birth Control Margaret Sanger Founder Planned Parenthood Lancaster PA Pa Abortion Clinic Birth Control Holocaust Murder Nazi German Dictator Adolf Hitler German Eugenics Murder Nazi Germany

I agree... Women who are not prepared to raise the children that they conceive and who can't find the strength of character to abstain from intercourse, should be sterilized.

And what about the men who may potentially father unwanted offspring? Should they be sterilized? How does the state determine if someone is not prepared for children or, to paraphrase, is a slut?

Was I misinformed that conservatives were for smaller government?

Again... if you read my suggestion closer... we already have women coming into abortion clinics for their 3rd abortion.
Those that continue would be told no more abortions ...tubal ligation.
That's it. That's not any bigger government, that's reducing government.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I see you are choosing to not read the links. Every single fetal murder law contains a provision which says the law does not apply to abortion.

Which make them immoral and authorizing state sanctioned murder....you libs are all against that when the person to be killed is a serial rapist murderer...you fight tooth and nail to keep him alive....but then you tie yourselves into knots trying to justify ending the life of an infant....

The liberal position is not to spare the guilty from capital punishment, but to spare the innocent from capital punishment. No human system is perfect, and death is irrevocable.

Well I can solve that problem with one statute, wherever a person is convicted of a crime and is later found to exculpate... the prosecutor and members of the jury are summarily subjected to the punishment that they set upon an innocent person. Problem solved, by setting accountability upon that reasonable doubt.

 

[JoeB131]

No one forces us to live by their religious beliefs more than a liberal. Government is God and must be worshiped and paid tribute and all disbelievers destroyed.

Yup, nothing more fun than watching Libertarian Crazy on full display.

Libertarians are Right Wing Hippies.

 

[kaz]

No one forces us to live by their religious beliefs more than a liberal. Government is God and must be worshiped and paid tribute and all disbelievers destroyed.

Yup, nothing more fun than watching Libertarian Crazy on full display.

Libertarians are Right Wing Hippies.

The irony in this is how it so clearly demonstrates your authoritarian leftism. Authoritarian leftists believe that only that which you want to do should be allowed, everything else should be prohibited. So, if I want drugs to be legal, in your mind, it must be that I want to do drugs. Here's the thing, Skippy. I don't do drugs, I've never hired a prostituted nor considered it, I don't gamble other than one trip to Reno where I gambled for an hour just for the experience and won about $20. I just don't think government should be in the morality business, even though it's mind blowingly incomprehensible I don't do vices other than alcohol and the occasional cigar. WTF? That just blew craters in your world, didn't it?

 

[JoeB131]

The irony in this is how it so clearly demonstrates your authoritarian leftism. Authoritarian leftists believe that only that which you want to do should be allowed, everything else should be prohibited. So, if I want drugs to be legal, in your mind, it must be that I want to do drugs. Here's the thing, Skippy. I don't do drugs, I've never hired a prostituted nor considered it, I don't gamble other than one trip to Reno where I gambled for an hour just for the experience and won about $20. I just don't think government should be in the morality business, even though it's mind blowingly incomprehensible I don't do vices other than alcohol and the occasional cigar. WTF? That just blew craters in your world, didn't it?

No, that would assume that I see you Libertarians as being anything other than useful idiots of the rich.

Which you totally are.

 

[kaz]

The irony in this is how it so clearly demonstrates your authoritarian leftism. Authoritarian leftists believe that only that which you want to do should be allowed, everything else should be prohibited. So, if I want drugs to be legal, in your mind, it must be that I want to do drugs. Here's the thing, Skippy. I don't do drugs, I've never hired a prostituted nor considered it, I don't gamble other than one trip to Reno where I gambled for an hour just for the experience and won about $20. I just don't think government should be in the morality business, even though it's mind blowingly incomprehensible I don't do vices other than alcohol and the occasional cigar. WTF? That just blew craters in your world, didn't it?

No, that would assume that I see you Libertarians as being anything other than useful idiots of the rich.

Which you totally are.

So first we were right wing hippies, now we're tools of the rich. First of all, dumb ass, I am rich, how am I a tool for myself? Second of all, I'd like to take as many people into wealth with me as I can, and so I advocate free markets. You want to take as many people into poverty with you as you can, which is why you advocate socialism. We are both at least using an appropriate solution that leads to our goals.

 

[JoeB131]

So first we were right wing hippies, now we're tools of the rich. First of all, dumb ass, I am rich, how am I a tool for myself? Second of all, I'd like to take as many people into wealth with me as I can, and so I advocate free markets. You want to take as many people into poverty with you as you can, which is why you advocate socialism. We are both at least using an appropriate solution that leads to our goals.

Real rich people don't waste their time on internet bulliten boards.

I'm always amazed we have so many rich people on USMB, and yet the board struggles to raise $100 a month to keep operating.

 

[kaz]

So first we were right wing hippies, now we're tools of the rich. First of all, dumb ass, I am rich, how am I a tool for myself? Second of all, I'd like to take as many people into wealth with me as I can, and so I advocate free markets. You want to take as many people into poverty with you as you can, which is why you advocate socialism. We are both at least using an appropriate solution that leads to our goals.

Real rich people don't waste their time on internet bulliten boards.

I'm always amazed we have so many rich people on USMB, and yet the board struggles to raise $100 a month to keep operating.

LOL, you think you're such a loser that no one worth a darn would spend time on you? It's actually a reasonable hypothesis, I see why you think that.