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The handbooks make it clear that the Boy Scouts of America is completely non-sectarian, that is - no particular religion is advanced. However, there is a clear emphasis on "duty to God," and an apparent requirement that the boys have some faith-based relationship with a higher power. In other words, atheists may find it difficult to feel comfortable within the organization
Boy Scouts and Religion
They are not EXCLUDED unless they take issue with the oath. No one asks them their religious views at ten. They are too young to fully understand.
But that's not what this thread is about. IS IT OK FOR ATHEISTS TO MAKE FUN OF OTHER CHILDREN?
Admit the double standard here. It is a camp for those that are not religious and tired of the fact that you cannot be part of a group like the scouts without God shoved in your face. Virtually all camps have religious undertones. You do not understand because you are not an atheist.The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.
How can a ten year old deny the existence of a higher power? And if they do, why would they join Scouts?
I asked you a question.
How can a ten year old deny the existence of a higher power? And if they do, why would they join Scouts?
I asked you a question.
That's a good point. The scouts bylaws proclaim atheists to be lesser beings. That is of course their choice to make.Boy Scouts and ReligionThe handbooks make it clear that the Boy Scouts of America is completely non-sectarian, that is - no particular religion is advanced. However, there is a clear emphasis on "duty to God," and an apparent requirement that the boys have some faith-based relationship with a higher power. In other words, atheists may find it difficult to feel comfortable within the organization
They are not EXCLUDED unless they take issue with the oath. No one asks them their religious views at ten. They are too young to fully understand.
But that's not what this thread is about. IS IT OK FOR ATHEISTS TO MAKE FUN OF OTHER CHILDREN?
No, and then again, there is no mention of them making fun of OTHER KIDS. They are poking fun at religions. On the other hand, it is okay for the scout to say they are better than atheists...
Admit the double standard here. It is a camp for those that are not religious and tired of the fact that you cannot be part of a group like the scouts without God shoved in your face. Virtually all camps have religious undertones. You do not understand because you are not an atheist.The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.
Why shouldn't atheists talk about what literally defines them?I am always amused by some of my fellow atheists in their constant prattling on about not believing in a god.
Why make such a big deal about living without religion in your life if you truly don't believe in god?
It's just silly.
If you truly do not believe in god, why do you care if someone else does?
Why shouldn't atheists talk about what literally defines them?I am always amused by some of my fellow atheists in their constant prattling on about not believing in a god.
Why make such a big deal about living without religion in your life if you truly don't believe in god?
It's just silly.
If you truly do not believe in god, why do you care if someone else does?
Why do Christians make a big deal out of atheists? Why would a Christian, secure in his faith, feel any need to counter an athiest argument? I'm just turning your question around. The same questions arise for me in observing Christian/Atheist dialogue.
Why shouldn't atheists talk about what literally defines them?I am always amused by some of my fellow atheists in their constant prattling on about not believing in a god.
Why make such a big deal about living without religion in your life if you truly don't believe in god?
It's just silly.
If you truly do not believe in god, why do you care if someone else does?
Why do Christians make a big deal out of atheists? Why would a Christian, secure in his faith, feel any need to counter an athiest argument? I'm just turning your question around. The same questions arise for me in observing Christian/Atheist dialogue.
Why do Buddhists give a shit about any of this stuff ?
How can a ten year old deny the existence of a higher power? And if they do, why would they join Scouts?
I asked you a question.
You said the scouts allow atheists. They do not. You cannot pledge an oath to God if you are an atheist. You cannot be a Scout unless you pledge to God.
How can a ten year old deny the existence of a higher power? And if they do, why would they join Scouts?
I asked you a question.
A 10 year old is not an idiot and whether you want to be arrogant about it or not, their beliefs and thoughts are VERY real to them even if you do not want to accept that.
The handbooks make it clear that the Boy Scouts of America is completely non-sectarian, that is - no particular religion is advanced. However, there is a clear emphasis on "duty to God," and an apparent requirement that the boys have some faith-based relationship with a higher power. In other words, atheists may find it difficult to feel comfortable within the organization
Boy Scouts and Religion
They are not EXCLUDED unless they take issue with the oath. No one asks them their religious views at ten. They are too young to fully understand.
But that's not what this thread is about. IS IT OK FOR ATHEISTS TO MAKE FUN OF OTHER CHILDREN?
No, and then again, there is no mention of them making fun of OTHER KIDS. They are poking fun at religions. On the other hand, it is okay for the scout to say they are better than atheists...
Admit the double standard here. It is a camp for those that are not religious and tired of the fact that you cannot be part of a group like the scouts without God shoved in your face. Virtually all camps have religious undertones. You do not understand because you are not an atheist.The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.
How can a ten year old deny the existence of a higher power? And if they do, why would they join Scouts?
I asked you a question.
A 10 year old is not an idiot and whether you want to be arrogant about it or not, their beliefs and thoughts are VERY real to them even if you do not want to accept that.
You are right, which makes this (colored red) part of your post seem odd to me:
No, and then again, there is no mention of them making fun of OTHER KIDS. They are poking fun at religions. On the other hand, it is okay for the scout to say they are better than atheists...
Admit the double standard here. It is a camp for those that are not religious and tired of the fact that you cannot be part of a group like the scouts without God shoved in your face. Virtually all camps have religious undertones. You do not understand because you are not an atheist.The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.
Don't you think that both the kids in the camp that are poking fun at religion are in reality poking fun at people of faith including those who might be among them at the time and the kids of faith that are there know they are being made fun of?
I actually get the impression that the camp leaders encourage such behavior.
If you are or were a person of faith, would you want your children subjected to such ridicule? Heck, it doesn't matter whether you are a person of faith or not, would you want you children subjected to any kind of ridicule?
Immie
A 10 year old is not an idiot and whether you want to be arrogant about it or not, their beliefs and thoughts are VERY real to them even if you do not want to accept that.
You are right, which makes this (colored red) part of your post seem odd to me:
No, and then again, there is no mention of them making fun of OTHER KIDS. They are poking fun at religions. On the other hand, it is okay for the scout to say they are better than atheists...
Admit the double standard here. It is a camp for those that are not religious and tired of the fact that you cannot be part of a group like the scouts without God shoved in your face. Virtually all camps have religious undertones. You do not understand because you are not an atheist.
Don't you think that both the kids in the camp that are poking fun at religion are in reality poking fun at people of faith including those who might be among them at the time and the kids of faith that are there know they are being made fun of?
I actually get the impression that the camp leaders encourage such behavior.
If you are or were a person of faith, would you want your children subjected to such ridicule? Heck, it doesn't matter whether you are a person of faith or not, would you want you children subjected to any kind of ridicule?
Immie
I don't know what universe you live in but children use ridicule quite a bit. They have to be trained out of it.
You're twisting like a Willow Tree in a hurricane.How can a ten year old deny the existence of a higher power? And if they do, why would they join Scouts?
I asked you a question.
You said the scouts allow atheists. They do not. You cannot pledge an oath to God if you are an atheist. You cannot be a Scout unless you pledge to God.
Supply this "oath to God". It doesn't exist. If you keep stretching this way, you're going to snap something.
The oath.....which I say at least once a week.....says, "On my honor I will do my best, to do my DUTY to God and my country, and to obey the scout law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight."
You pledge to do your duty to your God, whoever or whatever that my mean in your family's faith tradition........which the BSA could care less about. They leave the religious education and what defines DUTY to the family and the family's church. All the oath does is say that you will do that DUTY as YOU understand it.
If you are going to argue a point, at least understand the point you are arguing.
Yep.Ravi wins
Camp Quest is a sleepaway camp for the children of atheists, agnostics, humanists and other nonbelievers, though kids from religious families are welcome, too.
Most of the time, the kids do normal camp stuff such as hike, compete in relay races, sit around campfires. But the overarching philosophy is that life without religion is a perfectly healthy, viable option. "I feel really strongly these kids shouldn't be indoctrinated," she said. Many of the campers, who range in age from 8 to 17, "don't know what they are" yet when it comes to beliefs.
Despite the emphasis on open-mindedness, poking fun at faith isn't forbidden.
The team names included the Flaming Messiahs, a nod to the incinerated "Touchdown Jesus" sculpture north of Cincinnati struck by lightning last week, and the Dinosaur Jesus Riders, whose cheer goes like this: "Yeehaw, ride that Jesus!"
In a recurring gag, counselors tell the kids that two invisible unicorns run free at Camp Quest. Anyone who can prove that isn't true will win a prize.
Kids wrestle with religion at Camp Quest | The Columbus Dispatch
I'm speechless. Imagine if they had organized games poking fun at gays or atheists at a boy scout camp. Atheism has got to be the least tolerant of all religions. And it is a religion.
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