Atheism is the believe that something came out of nothing and we're all going nowhere

[ding]

No judgment on my part at all. I may not accept your bullshit answer, but I don't judge you for lying about it. I know that the kind of life you have demands that you try to tear down others to make yourself feel good.

says the guy who tells people they are immoral and materialistic with absolutely no evidence

but then again you don't need evidence to believe right?

If you don't believe the spiritual exists then all you have left is the material and pleasing yourself and meeting your primitive needs.

where did I deny the existence of anything spiritual you seem to think spiritual means god and nothing else

You are an atheist. By definition you do not believe in the spiritual. Look it up.

no I do not believe in the biblical god

or any god for that matter that does not mean in the world of the mind one cannot be spiritual

Actually it does.

 

[ding]

If you can't figure out the laws of nature, I am afraid I can't help you.

so no answer as to this guy's credentials
didn't think you had one

No scientist believes he invented the physical laws of nature. No person created the moral laws of nature. All we can do is discover them. You don't believe they exist. That's really all you need to know.

where did I say I don't believe morals exist when I obviously have stated that morals have existed before christianity?

you see one doesn't need a god to tell them killing is wrong, or stealing is wrong only people who are already of weak character need the threat of eternal damnation to make them act morally

Where do morals come from?

The human mind like everything else nothing supernatural about it

Then you have just proven that you believe morals are relative.

Who said anything about supernatural? There are moral laws just like there are physical laws and they exist independent of human thought.

 

[ding]

Yeah the only horrible crimes committed were committed solely by atheists

FYI there has been more killing in the name of god than for any other reason

I already explained the reason. It is a worldview based on materialism and moral relativity which is based on pleasure and primitive needs.

so now you think I am incapable of discipline too?

And if you want moral relativity look at your religion.

Then you believe that moral relativity is bad? Or are you trying to make a two wrongs makes a right argument?

Or spend tour time trying to tear down the beliefs of others?

yes asking questions is tearing down

The religious don't want people to ask questions they want people to believe period

That's not what you are doing and you know it. Be honest. You think you are superior because you think believing in God is silly. You are here trying to show off your superiority. The problem is that it is not working because you aren't superior.

 

[RWS]

You make it sound like every page in the Bible is about heaven and hell. Very little of it is. Essentially it is a how to book; how to live and how not to live.

Based on the social norms of a 1500 year old draconian society.

Yes, though the Bible should be read with the social norms of that day to truly understand it and place it in its proper context.

yeah otherwise it's tough to get around the slavery and selling your daughters bit

Only because you are viewing it from today's lens and not the lens of 3000 years ago.

You keep saying that. I don't think you understand what it means....

If we view religions in the same "lens" as 3000 years ago, we would all be killing each other right now.

We have developed a slight sense of tolerance as weapons have become stronger, but we still want to kill or turn the non-believers.

Just like 3000 years ago.

We just dare not to do it nowadays without enough backup.

ding, you are still in your militant phase as a believer who thinks everyone else needs to be turned to your way of thinking.

The truth is that you're the one who needs our help. We're still trying, and more are joining in the cause. You have a lot of love here!

The truth is that your salvation lies in your actions, and how you can be good to the world and humanity. Not what you believe in.

 

[RWS]

so no answer as to this guy's credentials
didn't think you had one

No scientist believes he invented the physical laws of nature. No person created the moral laws of nature. All we can do is discover them. You don't believe they exist. That's really all you need to know.

where did I say I don't believe morals exist when I obviously have stated that morals have existed before christianity?

you see one doesn't need a god to tell them killing is wrong, or stealing is wrong only people who are already of weak character need the threat of eternal damnation to make them act morally

Where do morals come from?

The human mind like everything else nothing supernatural about it

Then you have just proven that you believe morals are relative.

Who said anything about supernatural? There are moral laws just like there are physical laws and they exist independent of human thought.

Please, don't start that stuff about morals being relative again. Only believers morals are relative. You keep using that word... I thought I took care of it last time...

 

[RWS]

The only way that someone's morals are "relative", is if they were taught those morals by their relatives.

Which is you...

In reality, morals are something inside you, that don't change. It's the way you are. It's your way of thinking. No religious leader can change those morals, for those who are true to themselves.

As opposed to people who follow religions, who can change from one way of thinking to the next, based on the needs of the people in power.

 

[RWS]

And that is what the Pope was talking about, when he called you and your brethren out.

You are Bad! Bad! Bad!

You should listen to the atheists and agnostics on how to live life better...

Consider it a stepping-stone to get back in the good graces of God.

 

[ding]

You make it sound like every page in the Bible is about heaven and hell. Very little of it is. Essentially it is a how to book; how to live and how not to live.

Based on the social norms of a 1500 year old draconian society.

Yes, though the Bible should be read with the social norms of that day to truly understand it and place it in its proper context.

yeah otherwise it's tough to get around the slavery and selling your daughters bit

Only because you are viewing it from today's lens and not the lens of 3000 years ago.

You keep saying that. I don't think you understand what it means....

If we view religions in the same "lens" as 3000 years ago, we would all be killing each other right now.

We have developed a slight sense of tolerance as weapons have become stronger, but we still want to kill or turn the non-believers.

Just like 3000 years ago.

We just dare not to do it nowadays without enough backup.

ding, you are still in your militant phase as a believer who thinks everyone else needs to be turned to your way of thinking.

The truth is that you're the one who needs our help. We're still trying, and more are joining in the cause. You have a lot of love here!

The truth is that your salvation lies in your actions, and how you can be good to the world and humanity. Not what you believe in.

What cause would that be?

 

[RWS]

Based on the social norms of a 1500 year old draconian society.

Yes, though the Bible should be read with the social norms of that day to truly understand it and place it in its proper context.

yeah otherwise it's tough to get around the slavery and selling your daughters bit

Only because you are viewing it from today's lens and not the lens of 3000 years ago.

You keep saying that. I don't think you understand what it means....

If we view religions in the same "lens" as 3000 years ago, we would all be killing each other right now.

We have developed a slight sense of tolerance as weapons have become stronger, but we still want to kill or turn the non-believers.

Just like 3000 years ago.

We just dare not to do it nowadays without enough backup.

ding, you are still in your militant phase as a believer who thinks everyone else needs to be turned to your way of thinking.

The truth is that you're the one who needs our help. We're still trying, and more are joining in the cause. You have a lot of love here!

The truth is that your salvation lies in your actions, and how you can be good to the world and humanity. Not what you believe in.

What cause would that be?

If I understand you correctly, the cause to follow would be the betterment of the world and humanity, in all its' shapes and forms. Making a better world for our children.

That the only cause that matters.

Anything else, wants destruction to let the rich and powerful live like kings longer, with no regard to the future.

 

[ding]

Yes, though the Bible should be read with the social norms of that day to truly understand it and place it in its proper context.

yeah otherwise it's tough to get around the slavery and selling your daughters bit

Only because you are viewing it from today's lens and not the lens of 3000 years ago.

You keep saying that. I don't think you understand what it means....

If we view religions in the same "lens" as 3000 years ago, we would all be killing each other right now.

We have developed a slight sense of tolerance as weapons have become stronger, but we still want to kill or turn the non-believers.

Just like 3000 years ago.

We just dare not to do it nowadays without enough backup.

ding, you are still in your militant phase as a believer who thinks everyone else needs to be turned to your way of thinking.

The truth is that you're the one who needs our help. We're still trying, and more are joining in the cause. You have a lot of love here!

The truth is that your salvation lies in your actions, and how you can be good to the world and humanity. Not what you believe in.

What cause would that be?

If I understand you correctly, the cause to follow would be the betterment of the world and humanity, in all its' shapes and forms. Making a better world for our children.

That the only cause that matters.

Anything else, wants destruction to let the rich and powerful live like kings longer, with no regard to the future.

Really? You think you are shaping the world and humanity? You think you are making the world a better world for your children? Seriously?

 

[RWS]

Yeah absolutely.

And what you are doing is making it worse, for everyone and every thing on this planet, by promoting the BS religion that you do.

 

[ding]

Yeah absolutely.

And what you are doing is making it worse, for everyone and every thing on this planet, by promoting the BS religion that you do.

No. I don't believe I am. I believe you are. I believe the cosmic battle between good and evil is being waged between free enterprise which ennobles the spirit of man and socialism which destroys the spirit of man. Free enterprise is losing. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion, family and love of country for the express purpose of replacing it with loyalty to state. Assholes who attack religion and God are playing into their hands and are effectively their dupes.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yeah absolutely.

And what you are doing is making it worse, for everyone and every thing on this planet, by promoting the BS religion that you do.

No. I don't believe I am. I believe you are. I believe the cosmic battle between good and evil is being waged between free enterprise which ennobles the spirit of man and socialism which destroys the spirit of man. Free enterprise is losing. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion, family and love of country for the express purpose of replacing it with loyalty to state. Assholes who attack religion and God are playing into their hands and are effectively their dupes.

.

Free enterprise is losing ...

no, it is your awful 4th century christianity that is losing on its merits and American capitalism will be doing just fine when your religions last vestiges are finally resolved for the betterment of modern humanity.

 

[ding]

Yeah absolutely.

And what you are doing is making it worse, for everyone and every thing on this planet, by promoting the BS religion that you do.

No. I don't believe I am. I believe you are. I believe the cosmic battle between good and evil is being waged between free enterprise which ennobles the spirit of man and socialism which destroys the spirit of man. Free enterprise is losing. Socialism has always sought to subordinate religion, family and love of country for the express purpose of replacing it with loyalty to state. Assholes who attack religion and God are playing into their hands and are effectively their dupes.

.

Free enterprise is losing ...

no, it is your awful 4th century christianity that is losing on its merits and American capitalism will be doing just fine when your religions last vestiges are finally resolved for the betterment of modern humanity.

I am more than happy for you to believe that. Reason and experience say otherwise.

 

[RWS]

Reason and experience based on what?

Because your reason is unreasonable, and your experience amounts to squat.

You believe what you believe because you born into that belief.

You have no understanding of what other people want. Just what you want. A lot of people are suffering still to this day because of your beliefs. And the jews and muslims too.

You are all equally guilty of mass genocide, for about 4000 years. You're bad people. And need to learn how to live in modern times.

You got mud on your face. Big disgrace. Somebody has to put you back into your place...

 

[ding]

Reason and experience based on what?

Because your reason is unreasonable, and your experience amounts to squat.

You believe what you believe because you born into that belief.

You have no understanding of what other people want. Just what you want. A lot of people are suffering still to this day because of your beliefs. And the jews and muslims too.

You are all equally guilty of mass genocide, for about 4000 years. You're bad people. And need to learn how to live in modern times.

You got mud on your face. Big disgrace. Somebody has to put you back into your place...

Stop obfuscating. You only purpose here is to subordinate religion.

 

[RWS]

Again, you need to understand what that word means. I'm talking reality. You're talking smoke and mirrors.

And btw, the reason for posting that song:

"Buddy you're a young man hard man
Shoutin' in the street gonna take on the world some day
You got blood on yo' face
You big disgrace
Wavin' your banner all over the place"

I have disgust with mantras. Be it religious or political. You wave the Christianity/Religion banner. Telling everyone that you are right and they are wrong... regardless of the argument.

But history has proven that you can't be right. Unless "right" means getting rid of anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

[ding]

Again, you need to understand what that word means. I'm talking reality. You're talking smoke and mirrors.

And btw, the reason for posting that song:

"Buddy you're a young man hard man
Shoutin' in the street gonna take on the world some day
You got blood on yo' face
You big disgrace
Wavin' your banner all over the place"

I have disgust with mantras. Be it religious or political. You wave the Christianity/Religion banner. Telling everyone that you are right and they are wrong... regardless of the argument.

But history has proven that you can't be right. Unless "right" means getting rid of anyone who thinks otherwise.

obfuscate: to muddy the waters. That is the context of my use.

Unless of course, your intention really isn't to subordinate religion. That is what you are trying to do, right? Subordinate religion. That is what you want to happen, right?

I am not trying to get rid of you. I am trying to show what your mission is. Are you embarrassed to admit your mission? Are you suggesting that you would run away before admitting your mission?

 

[Mudda]

Again, you need to understand what that word means. I'm talking reality. You're talking smoke and mirrors.

And btw, the reason for posting that song:

"Buddy you're a young man hard man
Shoutin' in the street gonna take on the world some day
You got blood on yo' face
You big disgrace
Wavin' your banner all over the place"

I have disgust with mantras. Be it religious or political. You wave the Christianity/Religion banner. Telling everyone that you are right and they are wrong... regardless of the argument.

But history has proven that you can't be right. Unless "right" means getting rid of anyone who thinks otherwise.

obfuscate: to muddy the waters. That is the context of my use.

Unless of course, your intention really isn't to subordinate religion. That is what you are trying to do, right? Subordinate religion. That is what you want to happen, right?

I am not trying to get rid of you. I am trying to show what your mission is. Are you embarrassed to admit your mission? Are you suggesting that you would run away before admitting your mission?

Bogeymen are trying to subordinate your religion.
Quick! Start another thread!!!

 

[ding]

Again, you need to understand what that word means. I'm talking reality. You're talking smoke and mirrors.

And btw, the reason for posting that song:

"Buddy you're a young man hard man
Shoutin' in the street gonna take on the world some day
You got blood on yo' face
You big disgrace
Wavin' your banner all over the place"

I have disgust with mantras. Be it religious or political. You wave the Christianity/Religion banner. Telling everyone that you are right and they are wrong... regardless of the argument.

But history has proven that you can't be right. Unless "right" means getting rid of anyone who thinks otherwise.

obfuscate: to muddy the waters. That is the context of my use.

Unless of course, your intention really isn't to subordinate religion. That is what you are trying to do, right? Subordinate religion. That is what you want to happen, right?

I am not trying to get rid of you. I am trying to show what your mission is. Are you embarrassed to admit your mission? Are you suggesting that you would run away before admitting your mission?

Bogeymen are trying to subordinate your religion.
Quick! Start another thread!!!

I don't believe you are the bogeyman. Just a subversive or a dupe of the subversives.