At what point the USA would accept peace?

[pknopp]

None of your choices reflects the reality that Russia has no path to victory

Neither country does.

 

[eagle1462010]

That is the problem with all these “peace” plans
Ukraine gives up everything and Russia gives up nothing.

It is like a Football Game that is tied 21-21 in the fourth quarter and someone suggests ending the game and giving the victory to the other team. I’m

NATO must promise Ukraine not in NATO and then Russia must return most of the land taken by force keeping Crimea.

That might end it....might not

 

[sparky]

This cold war logic is the problem here.....~S~

 

[rightwinger]

NATO must promise Ukraine not in NATO and then Russia must return most of the land taken by force keeping Crimea.

That might end it....might not

After losing hundreds of thousands of troops, I don’t think Putin would agree to withdraw.

Ukraine has already seen Putin’s act. Promise respect of their borders, then invade.

Putin needs time to rebuild his military. Once he does, he will look for new targets to invade

 

[sparky]

Case in point...... ~S~

 

[AlexanderPK]

What deal will Russia offer Ukraine to end the War?

What land keep versus what land is back to Ukraine?

It's not so much the land, it's about the shit in their heads. They fucked around and found out as you say. Naturally there's no talking of a land back. I'd add Odessa, Black Sea coast and Transnistria to the bargain and leave them assholes be as long as there's no Bandera ideology left whatsoever, no army to back that ideology up and all those found guilty of war crimes put against the wall.

 

[sparky]

it's about the shit in their heads

seems there's a lot of that going around Al ~S~

 

[rightwinger]

What would be an acceptable peace proposal for Ukraine?

Russia gives back some captured territory and agrees to a DMZ and enforceable nonaggression pact
While not being admitted to NATO, Ukraine receives an agreement that NATO will support them if Russia violates the peace. Ukraine receives substantial military and humanitarian aid from the west
Ukraine enters an economic alliance with the west

 

[AlexanderPK]

seems there's a lot of that going around Al ~S~

Agree with you, ~S~

 

[gipper]

What would be an acceptable peace proposal for Ukraine?

Russia gives back some captured territory and agrees to a DMZ and enforceable nonaggression pact
While not being admitted to NATO, Ukraine receives an agreement that NATO will support them if Russia violates the peace. Ukraine receives substantial military and humanitarian aid from the west
Ukraine enters an economic alliance with the west

They had a peace agreement shortly after the Russian invasion, then your boy Genocide Joe shit canned it with the help of his house n——— Boris. All for the financial benefit of war corporations and the two crime families.

 

[Zavulon]

You do not know of what you speak, filthy human.

If course I know.

 

[Zavulon]

What would be an acceptable peace proposal for Ukraine?

What would be an acceptable peace proposals for Ukraine is absolutely irrelevant.
First of all because Ukraine hasn't nukes and can't escalate.
Second - because Ukraine doesn't exist anymore as an independent state. It can't exist without western support at all. Therefore, Ukraine is just hired NATO's guns.
And the only country that matters in NATO is the USA. So, it is discussion for Russia and USA only. And in this discussion Russia will raise stakes up to the all-out nuclear war, if necessary. And you don't have a lot of options - you can accept Russian peaceful proposals (and then there will be good peace) or not accept (and then there will be escalation and, finally, nuclear war).

 

[rightwinger]

What would be an acceptable peace proposals for Ukraine is absolutely irrelevant.

Why Russian peace proposals can’t be taken seriously

 

[rightwinger]

And in this discussion Russia will raise stakes up to the all-out nuclear war, if necessary. And you don't have a lot of options - you can accept Russian peaceful proposals (and then there will be good peace) or not accept (and then there will be escalation and, finally, nuclear war).

Why your thread can’t be taken seriously
They have had nuclear weapons for 75 years and know better than to use them.

Yes, Putin can Sabre Rattle and threaten nuclear retaliation. But even he is unwilling to face the consequences
If Putin goes nuclear to get his way, he will lose all support from China and India.
More importantly, he will provoke NATO and draw their forces into the war. NATO can avoid retaliating with nukes and still beat the snot out of Russia with conventional arms

 

[sparky]

How much of Ukraine would care should they simply go back to being part of the soviet block is my Q......~S~

 

[Zavulon]

Why your thread can’t be taken seriously
They have had nuclear weapons for 75 years and know better than to use them.

If both sides escalate - eventually there will be nuclear exchange.

Yes, Putin can Sabre Rattle and threaten nuclear retaliation. But even he is unwilling to face the consequences
If Putin goes nuclear to get his way, he will lose all support from China and India.

There will be consequences if Putin use nukes and there will be consequences if Putin won't use nukes. And in the latter case the consequences might be much more grave. And no, after defeating (or elimination) of USA and NATO China and India will face the choice - to be a part of the post-war world order or to fight against it.
Anyway. It is not the point. You are not playing neither for China, nor for India. In this thread you suppose to choose American strategy and possible reactions on the ladder of escalation.

More importantly, he will provoke NATO and draw their forces into the war.

We are already at war. If we don't use nukes - NATO will escalate.

NATO can avoid retaliating with nukes and still beat the snot out of Russia with conventional arms

No. NATO can't win a war against nuclear adversary (who actively use nukes) without using nukes themselves.

 

[rightwinger]

If both sides escalate - eventually there will be nuclear exchange.

There will be consequences if Putin use nukes and there will be consequences if Putin won't use nukes. And in the latter case the consequences might be much more grave. And no, after defeating (or elimination) of USA and NATO China and India will face the choice - to be a part of the post-war world order or to fight against it.
Anyway. It is not the point. You are not playing neither for China, nor for India. In this thread you suppose to choose American strategy and possible reactions on the ladder of escalation.


We are already at war. If we don't use nukes - NATO will escalate.



No. NATO can't win a war against nuclear adversary (who actively use nukes) without using nukes themselves.

Good god

You have such crazy fantasies about nuclear war.
If Russia chose to go that route, they would lose

 

[Zavulon]

Good god

You have such crazy fantasies about nuclear war.
If Russia chose to go that route, they would lose

Of course not. Russia will win. The only question is about the price of the victory (while any price of victory will be much lesser than the price of defeat in the current circumstances).

 

[rightwinger]

Of course not. Russia will win. The only question is about the price of the victory (while any price of victory will be much lesser than the price of defeat in the current circumstances).

Russia can’t win
If Putin goes nuclear, the whole world will retaliate.

 

[eagle1462010]

It's not so much the land, it's about the shit in their heads. They fucked around and found out as you say. Naturally there's no talking of a land back. I'd add Odessa, Black Sea coast and Transnistria to the bargain and leave them assholes be as long as there's no Bandera ideology left whatsoever, no army to back that ideology up and all those found guilty of war crimes put against the wall.

Figures. You just explained why the War will continue and Russia's goals.

Taking waterfront property was your goal.

You havent taken Odessa. You will pay dearly taking that place.