At what point the USA would accept peace?

[toobfreak]

May be Biden ordered the attack, but it was perfomed by US military. If Trump think that it was a mistake - he should apologise now and pay the fine. Plus, of course, accept Russian peace proposals.

As is so typical of you Slavs, you think you are always owed something and in a position to dictate demands when you never are.

 

[toobfreak]

All Putin has been basically saying is stay the fuck away. No fucking Ukraine in Nato. But comes the day when the camel's back got broken and Ukes found what they were searching for. He doesn't want no f-n nuclear war, nor any one of us does and I think he'll ride the last months of Joe's lunacy out without starting one. There's no telling so far what Trump's policy will be but at least there's some hope he'll be sane enough to turn back to Americans themselves and go easy on fooling around elsewhere.

It is a NATO Treaty violation to admit Ukraine into NATO. Trump will do what the jackass Biden refused to do, negotiate a settlement amicable to all sides when he gets in office and settle this once and for all.

 

[toobfreak]

Russia is strong.

Must be why after three years, all they've accomplished is take a sliver of land right next door to them and call on the Norks for help having run out of soldiers themselves.

 

[alang1216]

As we all know, at November 19, year of our Lord 2024, the USA attacked a target in Russia, and, de-facto started the war between the USA and Russia. It means that Russia, definetely, will soon attack an American base on American soil and then, situation will escalate until the USA accepted Russian peaceful proposals.

Right now, before Russia is forced to nuke American nuclear forces, effectively decreasing their retaliation capability, the terms are pretty generous:
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1) The USA leave Ukraine and remove (or sell to local governments) all US military installations on the new (since 1997) NATO territories, withdraw their forces from Kosovo and demand from Baltic regimes to grant the equal rights for the local Russian-speakers.
2) Russia doesn't nuke USA.
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If the USA chooses not to accept this generous offer, the situation will escalate to Russian counter-force strike against US nuclear forces. At this point, after effective degradation of US retaliation capability Russia will suggest other, more expensive peace terms:
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1) The USA don't retaliate.
2) The USA return to Russia Alaska and California.
3) The USA have no right to send their forces anywhere in the world or produce nukes without Russian permission.
4) The USA is still sovereign country and even keeps their place in SC UN.
5) Russia doesn't nuke US cities.
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If the USA retaliate, then Russia, may be after a short humanitarian pause, will destroy US infrastructure (counter-value strike) and will demand unconditional surrender of the USA. If refused Russia will kill at least 90% of Americans and the territory will be occupied by international forces

Another option for the USA is to attack Russian nuclear forces first. Highly likely it means Russian retaliation and almost certain annihilation of the USA.

A more likely option would be for the US to ignore Russian bluffs. Russia can't even take over Ukraine, does it really think it can beat the worlds only super power? And all of NATO?

 

[luiza]

Russia is fighting NATO already and has been for some time .
Probably why the Red Devils are inflicting so much damage .

The US are so scared they keep most of their reserves in hiding in illegal Syrian bases .

Over 700 000 Ukeys plus Others have paid the ultimate price .

Guess the only question is when will NATO run out of fighters and weapons , just like Kyiv has done ?

BTW . Those F16s were amazing .
Got lost in the post although I gather Amazon are being asked to help out .

 

[rightwinger]

It is a NATO Treaty violation to admit Ukraine into NATO. Trump will do what the jackass Biden refused to do, negotiate a settlement amicable to all sides when he gets in office and settle this once and for all.

Really?

What is Trump offering Ukraine to stop killing Russians?

 

[AlexanderPK]

Must be why after three years, all they've accomplished is take a sliver of land right next door to them and call on the Norks for help having run out of soldiers themselves.

Hollywood or Sky News and CNN again? I thought you were a republican and lived in a real world.

 

[AlexanderPK]

It is clear why most of the world looks down on Russia

You mean you, sleeping Joe and EU chihuahuas? Fuck the EU (remember Nuland saying?) and fuck the American faggoty army. What you're great at is Wrestling, that's for sure. Where seemingly formidable assholes stage an act of fighting, making faces and bad-mouthing each other. Other than that you're fat, lazy SoBs. Look at you for example. When was the last time you dragged yourself off the couch?

 

[Mac-7]

As we all know, at November 19, year of our Lord 2024, the USA attacked a target in Russia, and, de-facto started the war between the USA and Russia. It means that Russia, definetely, will soon attack an American base on American soil and then, situation will escalate until the USA accepted Russian peaceful proposals.

Right now, before Russia is forced to nuke American nuclear forces, effectively decreasing their retaliation capability, the terms are pretty generous:
------
1) The USA leave Ukraine and remove (or sell to local governments) all US military installations on the new (since 1997) NATO territories, withdraw their forces from Kosovo and demand from Baltic regimes to grant the equal rights for the local Russian-speakers.
2) Russia doesn't nuke USA.
------
If the USA chooses not to accept this generous offer, the situation will escalate to Russian counter-force strike against US nuclear forces. At this point, after effective degradation of US retaliation capability Russia will suggest other, more expensive peace terms:
----------
1) The USA don't retaliate.
2) The USA return to Russia Alaska and California.
3) The USA have no right to send their forces anywhere in the world or produce nukes without Russian permission.
4) The USA is still sovereign country and even keeps their place in SC UN.
5) Russia doesn't nuke US cities.
------
If the USA retaliate, then Russia, may be after a short humanitarian pause, will destroy US infrastructure (counter-value strike) and will demand unconditional surrender of the USA. If refused Russia will kill at least 90% of Americans and the territory will be occupied by international forces

Another option for the USA is to attack Russian nuclear forces first. Highly likely it means Russian retaliation and almost certain annihilation of the USA.

Are you a russian?

 

[rightwinger]

You mean you, sleeping Joe and EU chihuahuas? Fuck the EU (remember Nuland saying?) and fuck the American faggoty army. What you're great at is Wrestling, that's for sure. Where seemingly formidable assholes stage an act of fighting, making faces and bad-mouthing each other. Other than that you're fat, lazy SoBs. Look at you for example. When was the last time you dragged yourself off the couch?

Can I get you a tissue?

 

[AlexanderPK]

Can I get you a tissue?

It's not about me, it's about you. Tissue won't cut it, my soft bellied friend. You got to get more toilet paper than you need usually, when you go to war to fight week Russians. Remember that.

 

[Litwin]

Are you a russian?

yes

 

[Litwin]

When greed is no longer the most important thing to us.

So never.

 

[rightwinger]

It's not about me, it's about you. Tissue won't cut it, my soft bellied friend. You got to get more toilet paper than you need usually, when you go to war to fight week Russians. Remember that.

The US hasn’t lost anyone

Russia has 600,000 casualties, lost 2/3 of its tanks, most of its Black Sea fleet

Russia has shown not only is it too weak to face NATO but too weak to beat Ukraine

 

[Mac-7]

yes

My condolences

Why do russians keep picking bad leaders?

 

[Litwin]

My condolences

Why do russians keep picking bad leaders?

´cos Mongol Tsars had created Moscow empire this way.

backgound :
The Mongol- Muscovy style empire could be defined as a dominating, rapacious empire upheld by violence, especially unruly violence, and exhibiting three prominent characteristics.


First, it uses unruly violence as a regular means of resolving international disputes. While violence is common and sometimes necessary in political or social governance, rules have been set for its use under a modern lawful democratic system. Unlike in ancient times, the use of violence now comes under heavy restrictions and is “predictable”. Such an evolution also applies to international relations...." modern technology and the international ethical environment led to the inevitable death of the Mongol-Muscovy empire, while similar empires will no longer come back.

Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, ...such empires will no longer be tolerated."

Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, The global reaction to the war in Ukraine in fact shows that such empires will no longer be tolerated." The Mongol-Muscovy style empire could be defined as a dominating, rapacious empire upheld by...

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Decolonization of Mongol - Muscovite empire is the only way to end its imperialism, And I don’t mean Putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from Solzhenitsyn and Brodsky to Navalny and Dugin.

 

[Litwin]

The US hasn’t lost anyone

Russia has 600,000 casualties, lost 2/3 of its tanks, most of its Black Sea fleet

Russia has shown not only is it too weak to face NATO but too weak to beat Ukraine

would take this loan ?
’s economy is so disastrous that one of the largest banks is now offering clients loans of $365…… At a rate of 47.5%.

Moscow imperial economy : "food prices to double and triple sometimes...sweets now considered as a sign of middle and upper middle class...Kids hungry

Moscow imperial economy : "food prices to double and triple sometimes...sweets now considered as a sign of middle and upper middle class...Kids are regulary underfed...electricity cut-offs, water and sewage pipes leakage" sounds like 1917 /1991? one for sure , Moscow imperialism is not...

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I'm Muscovite, living near Saint Petersburg. Recent economicb trends really scare me. Double digit inflation, scarcity caused food prices to double and triple sometimes. Something as simple as eggs, chicken, quality tea, sweets now considered as a sign of middle and upper middle class. Kids are regulary underfed, and because of this sometimes lose their consciousness in the middle of a school lesson. Regular electricity cut-offs, water and sewage pipes leakage, and overall crumbling of infrastructure is all common thing.

Real estate market is collapsing in Moscow 🇷🇺 empire . PRICES !

Blow up the🇷🇺🇸🇦 Railways... Make the stalenist Zombies walk from stalenist 🇰🇵North Korea. oops. Moscow empire's railways are collapsing of their own accord. :auiqs.jpg: :thup:

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Litwin]

My condolences

Why do russians keep picking bad leaders?

This cold war logic is the problem here.....~S~

A more likely option would be for the US to ignore Russian bluffs. Russia can't even take over Ukraine, does it really think it can beat the worlds only super power? And all of NATO?

as an American, i'm looking forward to our next potus turning America's back on all of this. There is nothing to save or defend here

~S~

The US hasn’t lost anyone

Russia has 600,000 casualties, lost 2/3 of its tanks, most of its Black Sea fleet

Russia has shown not only is it too weak to face NATO but too weak to beat Ukraine

a small present to all of you , we have talked about it so many times here . So here we go 31:30 , the leading geo - strategist Robert D. Kaplan put it all together :


Kremlin imperialistic thugs know it , but they can not stop it ....

 

[AlexanderPK]

The US hasn’t lost anyone

Russia has 600,000 casualties, lost 2/3 of its tanks, most of its Black Sea fleet

Russia has shown not only is it too weak to face NATO but too weak to beat Ukraine

It'll make you feel even better if you add another zero to your fancy MSM arithmetics, but don't forget about the toilet paper anyway.

 

[rightwinger]

It'll make you feel even better if you add another zero to your fancy MSM arithmetics, but don't forget about the toilet paper anyway.

Bodies are piling up

Is in more important for Putin to save face or save lives?