At what point the USA would accept peace?

[hjmick]

How much of Ukraine would care should they simply go back to being part of the soviet block is my Q......~S~

They've been fighting for more than 1,000 days to maintain their independence. That should tell you something...

 

[BackAgain]

Its quite a simple question, isn't it? I'm a simple man. Just choose your option. Right now there are 100% votes for accepting Russian pre-nuclear peace terms.

It is ridiculous.

Your poll options are deliberately distorted.

And you’re transparently a hack troll.

Fuck Russia and Putin’s “terms.”

Note however: there isn’t a whole lot of support for fighting with Ukraine and losing any of our fighting men.

Simpletons like you can’t handle any rational calculus.

 

[Zavulon]

It is ridiculous.

Your poll options are deliberately distorted.

I tried to make it as simple as possible.

And you’re transparently a hack troll.

Fuck Russia and Putin’s “terms.”

Does it mean - keeping fighting until the last American? or

Note however: there isn’t a whole lot of support for fighting with Ukraine and losing any of our fighting men.

Does it mean - accept the Russian terms (may be with some face-saving trick) before the first nuke is started?

 

[the watcher]

The US has been on the warpath for so long that it's woven into our fabric, psyche, tax base, economic structure and pop folklore. There is no path to peace here.

 

[AlexanderPK]

You havent taken Odessa. You will pay dearly taking that place.

I guess we won't have to take it. As soon as the front crumbles they'll just give it up. It's not Moscow of 1941 where in case of power failure, drainage malfunction or lack thereof you didn't have to worry about where to store your food or where to take a dump. There were no fridges at all and outside toilets were matter of course. Cut electricity today and a million people will shit their city to the second floor in a week or two, forget Bandera and be ready to welcome the Russians as their liberators. Besides, we're not as vengeful as you make us out to be. Only Banderites will have to suffer, others will just go on living.

 

[BackAgain]

I tried to make it as simple as possible.

You started off with a desire to skew the outcome. Easy or difficult is not the issue.

You fool nobody.

 

[Zavulon]

You started off with a desire to skew the outcome.

I asked what I really want to know.
If you want to know something else (for instance if you have another set of American/Russian/Chinese strategies) - you are free to make your own poll.

 

[BackAgain]

I asked what I really want to know.
If you want to know something else (for instance if you have another set of American/Russian/Chinese strategies) - you are free to make your own poll.

 

[BackAgain]

America is forever prepared to fight.

We always prefer peace.

Non part of your idiotic thread makes any sense at all.

 

[rightwinger]

Does it mean - keeping fighting until the last American? or

We haven’t lost anyone

Russia has lost 600,000 casualties
How is that working out for you?

Russia casualties reach 600,000 during war in Ukraine, Pentagon says

While staggering, the losses don't mean a clear victory for Ukraine either, U.S. officials said.

www.defensenews.com

 

[Zavulon]

America is forever prepared to fight.

Yeah, sure.

We always prefer peace.

It mostly depends on the terms of possible peace.

Non part of your idiotic thread makes any sense at all.

Ok, then. So what do you prefer - conventional defeat in Ukraine or nuclear war in the USA (with almost certain defeat)? As much as I can judge about American post WWII military history - you always prefer conventional defeat.
What will the USA do, when, say, a joint Russian-Yemeni (mostly Russian, of course) crew of the auxiliary cruiser under Yemeni Naval flag, launch six Club-ME cruise missiles at one of Alaskian bases with no personal killed and some equipment destroyed?

 

[Zavulon]

We haven’t lost anyone

Not yet. But you will pretty soon.

Russia has lost 600,000 casualties
How is that working out for you?

0,6 mln casualties means less than 0,2 mln KIA. And even this is significant overestimation and stupid Ukrainian propaganda. Previous time liberation of Ukraine costed us roughly seven million killed. And even this is pretty acceptable price, comparing with the possible price of defeat (almost total genocide of Russian population).

Russia casualties reach 600,000 during war in Ukraine, Pentagon says

While staggering, the losses don't mean a clear victory for Ukraine either, U.S. officials said.

www.defensenews.com

 

[rightwinger]

Not yet. But you will pretty soon.


0,6 mln casualties means less than 0,2 mln KIA. And even this is significant overestimation and stupid Ukrainian propaganda. Previous time liberation of Ukraine costed us roughly seven million killed. And even this is pretty acceptable price, comparing with the possible price of defeat (almost total genocide of Russian population).

600,000 casualties against a low level power like Ukraine

What will happen if you have to face NATO, the most formidable military power on the planet?

 

[rightwinger]

In addition to the casualties incurred, Russia has seen 32 vessels in its Black Sea naval fleet damaged or destroyed, along with two-thirds of its pre-war stock of tanks, the defense official said. These losses have forced the Kremlin to dredge through warehouses of Soviet-era military equipment to retrofit and then deploy.


32 vessels out of commission to a country that doesn’t even have a Navy

 

[Zavulon]

600,000 casualties against a low level power like Ukraine

Not much. It is not about death it is more about life. Millions of Russians were saved and millions will be liberated soon.

What will happen if you have to face NATO, the most formidable military power on the planet?

We'll defeat them. The result of the war will mostly depends on the results of the initial nuclear exchange. When we coerce the USA in peace on our terms - other NATO members won't be a problem.

 

[Zavulon]

In addition to the casualties incurred, Russia has seen 32 vessels in its Black Sea naval fleet damaged or destroyed, along with two-thirds of its pre-war stock of tanks, the defense official said. These losses have forced the Kremlin to dredge through warehouses of Soviet-era military equipment to retrofit and then deploy.


32 vessels out of commission to a country that doesn’t even have a Navy

They are expendable. Actually, the only purpose of the peace-time Army is to heroically die in near-border battles, covering the initial mobilisation. And the only purpose of the initially mobilised Army is to heroically die, covering building wartime economy and the final Army of Victory, which will finally defeat the enemy.

 

[rightwinger]

They are expendable. Actually, the only purpose of the peace-time Army is to heroically die in near-border battles, covering the initial mobilisation. And the only purpose of the initially mobilised Army is to heroically die, covering building wartime economy and the final Army of Victory, which will finally defeat the enemy.

How weak is Russia?
Ukraine is nothing globally and they inflict 600,000 casualties, take out 2/3 of your tanks and wipe out your Black Sea Fleet.

At what point do you hold your leaders accountable?

 

[BackAgain]

Yeah, sure.

It mostly depends on the terms of possible peace.


Ok, then. So what do you prefer - conventional defeat in Ukraine or nuclear war in the USA (with almost certain defeat)? As much as I can judge about American post WWII military history - you always prefer conventional defeat.
What will the USA do, when, say, a joint Russian-Yemeni (mostly Russian, of course) crew of the auxiliary cruiser under Yemeni Naval flag, launch six Club-ME cruise missiles at one of Alaskian bases with no personal killed and some equipment destroyed?

 

[Zavulon]

How weak is Russia?

Russia is strong. Russia is fighting against the largest military alliance on the planet and their proxies without any visible problems.

Ukraine is nothing globally and they inflict 600,000 casualties, take out 2/3 of your tanks and wipe out your Black Sea Fleet.

Bla-bla-bla. Death rate is more or less equat to the death rate from traffic accidents. Economy, real economy, is raising. Households incomes raised significantly. The Borderlands became more and more secure with more and more European nazies are dead.

At what point do you hold your leaders accountable?

It depends.

 

[rightwinger]

Russia is strong. Russia is fighting against the largest military alliance on the planet and their proxies without any visible problems.

Bla-bla-bla. Death rate is more or less equat to the death rate from traffic accidents. Economy, real economy, is raising. Households incomes raised significantly. The Borderlands became more and more secure with more and more European nazies are dead.

It depends.

Amazing how indifferent Russia is about losing 600,000 of its young men in a senseless invasion

It is clear why most of the world looks down on Russia