At what point the USA would accept peace?

[eagle1462010]

Ok. Does it mean, that you choose the option "- The USA shouldn't accept Russia-prefered mutually acceptable peace treaty even after the first Russian counter-force strike"?

 

[Zavulon]

Do you have link please?

I'm aware of Ukraine firing missiles etc.. into Russia that were supplied by the US, UK etc. al., but I'm not aware of and allies firing into Russia. I can only debate actuals and not theoreticals.

ATACMS (and other long-range missiles) can't be targeted and launched without assistance of the US forces, and on this stage Russian Federation concider your "facilitation" as "participation".

 

[Mushroom]

As we all know, at November 19, year of our Lord 2024, the USA attacked a target in Russia

It did? Really?

When and where exactly did this happen?

 

[Zavulon]

How about Russia engages a unilateral cease-fire, stops attacking Ukraine, withdraws it's military from Ukraine, and offers a peace treaty and reparations.

No. It is unacceptable for Russia. And no, in this thread you don't pick options for Russia. You pick options for the USA only. You can choose stop and make few steps back right now, or stop and make more steps back after a nuclear strike.

 

[Mushroom]

ATACMS (and other long-range missiles) can't be targeted and launched without assistance of the US forces, and on this stage Russian Federation concider your "facilitation" as "participation".

Oh, that is complete and utter nonsense.

By that definition, every time a SCUD or Katyusha rocket was used against the US or Israel it was actually an attack by the Soviet Union or Russia.

Clearly critical thinking is not a skill you have.

 

[Zavulon]

It did? Really?

When and where exactly did this happen?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-strikes-russian-arsenal-bryansk-region-military-says-2024-11-19/

 

[Zavulon]

Oh, that is complete and utter nonsense.

By that definition, every time a SCUD or Katyusha rocket was used against the US or Israel it was actually an attack by the Soviet Union or Russia.

Clearly critical thinking is not a skill you have.

SCUDS and Katyusha's don't require control and guidance by Russian operators. And yes, there is the difference between Russian missile (controlled by Russian operator) shooting down an American plane in the skies of Vietnam and the Russian missile, controlled by Russian operator, attacking targets in the USA (even if they are launched from Vietnam or Cuba).

 

[eagle1462010]

ATACMS (and other long-range missiles) can't be targeted and launched without assistance of the US forces, and on this stage Russian Federation concider your "facilitation" as "participation".

And your weapons have been killing Americans on other battlefields since WWII.

We are not firing them. The Ukes are.

Same as Iran using weapons with their proxies to kill Americans with Russian weapons.

 

[eagle1462010]

SCUDS and Katyusha's don't require control and guidance by Russian operators. And yes, there is the difference between Russian missile (controlled by Russian operator) shooting down an American plane in the skies of Vietnam and the Russian missile, controlled by Russian operator, attacking targets in the USA (even if they are launched from Vietnam or Cuba).

LOL.

Your weapons in Vietnam killed Americans.

Our weapons now kill Russians in Ukraine.

Same damn thing Ivan

 

[Mushroom]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-strikes-russian-arsenal-bryansk-region-military-says-2024-11-19/

That was Ukraine, not the US.

By your definition therefore, every time an RPG or AK was used anywhere in the world, that would therefore be an attack by Russia. And any time Iraq used a Silkworm missile, China somehow became responsible for the attack. Or because Argentina used the Mirage III in the Falklands war, that France was responsible.

That is simply not how it works.

 

[Mushroom]

SCUDS and Katyusha's don't require control and guidance by Russian operators.

Neither do these.

Where in the hell do you come up with the idea that the US has to do this, I have no idea.

ATACAMS is in use by over a dozen nations at this time. Including Greece, Turkey, Taiwan, Qatar, UAE, Poland, South Korea, and many more. Do you really think that all of those nations are going to buy a weapon system that they can not fire themselves without US operators?

You really do not have any idea how any of this works, do you?

Oh, and among other nations awaiting delivery for ATACMS are Australia, Latvia, Morocco, Lithuania, and Estonia. Are they going to also be accepting these ghost Americans to allow them to be used?

 

[Captain Caveman]

ATACMS (and other long-range missiles) can't be targeted and launched without assistance of the US forces, and on this stage Russian Federation concider your "facilitation" as "participation".

Do you have a link please that American troops fired on Russia? If you can't provide a link, then stfu dimwit.

Wishful thinking is not reality.

 

[Zavulon]

And your weapons have been killing Americans on other battlefields since WWII.

Yeah. Thats what we call "proxy" and "peripheral" wars.

We are not firing them. The Ukes are.

Of course you are. The Ukes can't maintain and guide it without your direct involvement.

Same as Iran using weapons with their proxies to kill Americans with Russian weapons.

But they didn't attack American mainlands, did they? At least before now.

 

[Mushroom]

The Ukes can't maintain and guide it without your direct involvement.

Right.

They still seem to be doing just fine with a lot of the Russian equipment they still have. Are you saying that they can use Soviet-Russian equipment, but not American equipment?

Once again, love the nonsensical claims without a shred of evidence to back it up. And with that statement, I am now starting to bend towards your issue being some sort of racial belief that Ukrainians are inferior.

 

[Zavulon]

That was Ukraine, not the US.

And Russian intelligence said that it was US.
At least it is officially recognised that it was authorised by the US.

By your definition therefore, every time an RPG or AK was used anywhere in the world, that would therefore be an attack by Russia. And any time Iraq used a Silkworm missile, China somehow became responsible for the attack. Or because Argentina used the Mirage III in the Falklands war, that France was responsible.

When you give someone a gun and pay him to kill a certain person - you are definitely responsible for the murder.

That is simply not how it works.

That's how it works.
And when joint Russian-Yemeni forces attacked US base on US soil - you'll see it.

 

[Zavulon]

Right.

They still seem to be doing just fine with a lot of the Russian equipment they still have. Are you saying that they can use Soviet-Russian equipment, but not American equipment?

They can use American equipment, but they just don't have neither intelligence data, nor trained personel for operating long-range versions of ATACMS.

Once again, love the nonsensical claims without a shred of evidence to back it up. And with that statement, I am now starting to bend towards your issue being some sort of racial belief that Ukrainians are inferior.

They are obviously not inferior to the Yanks.

 

[Deadstick]

Right.

They still seem to be doing just fine with a lot of the Russian equipment they still have. Are you saying that they can use Soviet-Russian equipment, but not American equipment?

Once again, love the nonsensical claims without a shred of evidence to back it up. And with that statement, I am now starting to bend towards your issue being some sort of racial belief that Ukrainians are inferior.

They can't with those long range missiles or storm shadow, they are programmed with target and guidance data etc by the US, all i can say is it's a good job you are not dealing with the Soviets or Ukraine would be a car park and NATO given a spanking.

 

[eagle1462010]

They can't with those long range missiles or storm shadow, they are programmed with target and guidance data etc by the US, all i can say is it's a good job you are not dealing with the Soviets or Ukraine would be a car park and NATO given a spanking.

NATO a spanking. LMAO

You cant even take Ukraine. That is why you threaten Nukes. You know you cant win.

 

[Mushroom]

They can use American equipment, but they just don't have neither intelligence data, nor trained personel for operating long-range versions of ATACMS.

And what is the difference, pray tell between firing ATACMS from an M270 MLRS or M143 HIMARS, and firing any other missile from those systems?

Oh, and also tell me the difference between firing an original PATRIOT missile, a GEM, or a PAC-3. Because obviously as those are different missiles there must be some sort of special instruction before an operator can use one.

And they can not gather intelligence data? WTF? Have you missed all of the attacks they have been doing inside of Russia itself? Multiple attacks on Sevastopol, forcing Russia to move their fleet to Novorossiisk. And just a couple of weeks ago striking Dagestan.

Once again, what you are doing is known as "talking out your arse".

 

[Mushroom]

They can't with those long range missiles or storm shadow, they are programmed with target and guidance data etc by the US, all i can say is it's a good job you are not dealing with the Soviets or Ukraine would be a car park and NATO given a spanking.

Please explain how that happens. Funny, that a weapon that is in use by over a dozen countries somehow requires the US to actually use.

Many of you really do live in an alternate reality.

Oh, and if what we have seen is any indication, Russia has an even worse military than anybody ever imagined. Some of us were at the VFW a few weeks ago talking over some adult beverages, and wondering why we were ever scared of them for so long.