Assault on Waco

[rightwinger]

There was no need for the feds to serve the warrant, let alone in such a blatantly hight profile manner and the ATF shot first.

Kind of ruins your lame-assed excusing the incineration of 80+ innocent people.

Evidently there WAS a need for federal agents to serve a warrant
Those fuckers shot and killed them

Those who take armed resistance to our government lawfully executing their mission deserve what they get

Surrender would have resulted in a better outcome wouldn't it?

Horrible that 80 people died. But you hook your star and the fate of your family to a certified nutcase...thats what happens

Oh, and let's not forget another of Reno's infamous constitutional disasters:

Saving a child who was kidnapped from his father?

 

[Si modo]

Evidently there WAS a need for federal agents to serve a warrant
Those fuckers shot and killed them

Those who take armed resistance to our government lawfully executing their mission deserve what they get

Surrender would have resulted in a better outcome wouldn't it?

Horrible that 80 people died. But you hook your star and the fate of your family to a certified nutcase...thats what happens

No, there wasn't....The McLennan County Sheriff has said so numerous times.

The BATF dirtbags were trying to make a high profile bust to keep their sorry asses from being downsized and rolled into the FBI....And it blew up in their faces.

I fought the law......and the law won

I fought the law...and the law won

Who knew you are in favor of police states?

Neither the ATF nor the FBI had a lawful warrant to serve on them. So, those in Waco were not fighting the "law", as there was nothing lawful that they were doing.

 

[Si modo]

Evidently there WAS a need for federal agents to serve a warrant
Those fuckers shot and killed them

Those who take armed resistance to our government lawfully executing their mission deserve what they get

Surrender would have resulted in a better outcome wouldn't it?

Horrible that 80 people died. But you hook your star and the fate of your family to a certified nutcase...thats what happens

Oh, and let's not forget another of Reno's infamous constitutional disasters:

Saving a child who was kidnapped from his father?

US federal agents do not work for foreign nationals.

Now you know.

 

[rightwinger]

Oh, and let's not forget another of Reno's infamous constitutional disasters:

Saving a child who was kidnapped from his father?

US federal agents do not work for foreign nationals.

Now you know.

The US decided the boy should be returned to his father.....rightfully so

I fought the law and the law won

 

[rightwinger]

No, there wasn't....The McLennan County Sheriff has said so numerous times.

The BATF dirtbags were trying to make a high profile bust to keep their sorry asses from being downsized and rolled into the FBI....And it blew up in their faces.

I fought the law......and the law won

I fought the law...and the law won

Who knew you are in favor of police states?

Neither the ATF nor the FBI had a lawful warrant to serve on them. So, those in Waco were not fighting the "law", as there was nothing lawful that they were doing.

Search Warrant W93-15M for the "residence of Vernon Wayne Howell, and others" signed by "Dennis G. Green (U.S. Judge or Magistrate)" dated 25 February 1993 8:43 pm at Waco, Texas

Waco siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RetiredGySgt]

They killed four agents trying to lawfully serve a warrant

That kind of ruins your expectation of soft treatment

There was no need for the feds to serve the warrant, let alone in such a blatantly hight profile manner and the ATF shot first.

Kind of ruins your lame-assed excusing the incineration of 80+ innocent people.

Evidently there WAS a need for federal agents to serve a warrant
Those fuckers shot and killed them

Those who take armed resistance to our government lawfully executing their mission deserve what they get

Surrender would have resulted in a better outcome wouldn't it?

Horrible that 80 people died. But you hook your star and the fate of your family to a certified nutcase...thats what happens

Not one single claim the ATF made in the warrant was true. NOT ONE. Further they knew it when they lied to get the warrant. There were at least 3 FFL holders in the Compound and THEY made all the weapons purchases LEGALLY. Also something the ATF knew.

The Waco compound also LEGALLY bought grenade shells. The ATF claimed they had live grenades. NONE were used against the ATF and nothing but Grenade shells were found at the compound.

The ATF claimed they had full auto weapons, another lie, not a single weapon at the compound was full auto.

The Local Sheriff had asked Korush to come to town for questioning on several occasions, He always complied. The local Sheriff had been to the compound on several Occasions, all with out incident.

The film the day of the raid showed 3 ATF agents crawl in a window and then almost immediately after the 4th Agent open fire with automatic weapons fire on THAT window.

Did you know that 2 or 3 of the ATF agents killed were former body Guards of Governor Clinton? They were being subpenaed to testify in his rape cases. Awful convenient they got gunned down by a fellow ATF agent.

Again ZERO evidence that the compound fired on anyone. No bullet holes in the cars to support it, none in the door to support it and the buildings were conveniently burned to the ground.

Anyone ever seen an autopsy report on what bullets killed the ATF agents? and whether they were from the front or the back?

 

[whitehall]

The ATF wanted to coerce a US citizen and Army Vet into becoming a federal informant in the Ruby Ridge case which happened during the George HW Bush administration. The feds saw Randy Weaver coming out of a tent sponsored by skinheads at a State Fair and they approached him but he denied knowing anything about the skinhead group and he refused to cooperate. Knowing Weaver was an amateur gunsmith the ATF sent an informant with big bucks to his house asking him to cut the barrel of a shotgun. The informant specified the length which was barely under the legal length by about 1/2 inch and the ATF had him. Weaver was stopped on the road by the ATF and he and his wife were thrown to the ground in the winter slush and handcuffed and brought to the court house where bail was set and a court date was given. Unknown to Weaver the court date was changed and he became a fugitive from justice. During the subsequent siege on his property his boy was shot in the back and killed and Weaver was shot. His wife was shot in the face by an FBI sniper as she held a 18 month old child in her arms. During the "siege" the FBI used a bullhorn to torture Weaver asking him what his wife was cooking while she lay dead in the cabin. Weaver finally surrendered and a jury found him guilty of a single count of failing to appear in court. He was awarded about a million dollars for the unlawful death of his wife and the FBI sniper was indicted for manslaughter in local court but the charges were dismissed by a federal judge. The same rogue group went on to Waco a few years later and then the Fast and Furious debacle.

 

[rightwinger]

There was no need for the feds to serve the warrant, let alone in such a blatantly hight profile manner and the ATF shot first.

Kind of ruins your lame-assed excusing the incineration of 80+ innocent people.

Evidently there WAS a need for federal agents to serve a warrant
Those fuckers shot and killed them

Those who take armed resistance to our government lawfully executing their mission deserve what they get

Surrender would have resulted in a better outcome wouldn't it?

Horrible that 80 people died. But you hook your star and the fate of your family to a certified nutcase...thats what happens

Not one single claim the ATF made in the warrant was true. NOT ONE. Further they knew it when they lied to get the warrant. There were at least 3 FFL holders in the Compound and THEY made all the weapons purchases LEGALLY. Also something the ATF knew.

The Waco compound also LEGALLY bought grenade shells. The ATF claimed they had live grenades. NONE were used against the ATF and nothing but Grenade shells were found at the compound.

The ATF claimed they had full auto weapons, another lie, not a single weapon at the compound was full auto.

The Local Sheriff had asked Korush to come to town for questioning on several occasions, He always complied. The local Sheriff had been to the compound on several Occasions, all with out incident.

The film the day of the raid showed 3 ATF agents crawl in a window and then almost immediately after the 4th Agent open fire with automatic weapons fire on THAT window.

Did you know that 2 or 3 of the ATF agents killed were former body Guards of Governor Clinton? They were being subpenaed to testify in his rape cases. Awful convenient they got gunned down by a fellow ATF agent.

Again ZERO evidence that the compound fired on anyone. No bullet holes in the cars to support it, none in the door to support it and the buildings were conveniently burned to the ground.

Anyone ever seen an autopsy report on what bullets killed the ATF agents? and whether they were from the front or the back?

Imagine that...

Those assholes in the compound really fucked up didn't they? If they had allowed the warrant to be served,like real Americans, all evidence would have been thrown out in court

Shows what can go wrong when you take the law into your own hands

 

[Oldguy]

The ATF wanted to coerce a US citizen and Army Vet into becoming a federal informant in the Ruby Ridge case which happened during the George HW Bush administration. The feds saw Randy Weaver coming out of a tent sponsored by skinheads at a State Fair and they approached him but he denied knowing anything about the skinhead group and he refused to cooperate. Knowing Weaver was an amateur gunsmith the ATF sent an informant with big bucks to his house asking him to cut the barrel of a shotgun. The informant specified the length which was barely under the legal length by about 1/2 inch and the ATF had him. Weaver was stopped on the road by the ATF and he and his wife were thrown to the ground in the winter slush and handcuffed and brought to the court house where bail was set and a court date was given. Unknown to Weaver the court date was changed and he became a fugitive from justice. During the subsequent siege on his property his boy was shot in the back and killed and Weaver was shot. His wife was shot in the face by an FBI sniper as she held a 18 month old child in her arms. During the "siege" the FBI used a bullhorn to torture Weaver asking him what his wife was cooking while she lay dead in the cabin. Weaver finally surrendered and a jury found him guilty of a single count of failing to appear in court. He was awarded about a million dollars for the unlawful death of his wife and the FBI sniper was indicted for manslaughter in local court but the charges were dismissed by a federal judge. The same rogue group went on to Waco a few years later and then the Fast and Furious debacle.

Timothy McVeigh was a "US citizen and Army vet" too. Wanna defend him?

 

[Oddball]

Always a great pleasure to watch the liberoidals profess their true love for the police state and its willful murdering of scores of innocent American citizens, including the chiiilllldrrreeeeennnn.

Bravo, you Stalinist knuckle draggers!....Bravo!

 

[rightwinger]

Always a great pleasure to watch the liberoidals profess their true love for the police state and its willful murdering of scores of innocent American citizens, including the chiiilllldrrreeeeennnn.

Bravo, you Stalinist knuckle draggers!....Bravo!

I fought the law....and the law won

It always works out like that

 

[Oddball]

Thanks for confirming my observation, like a good little Stalinist knuckle dragger.

 

[rightwinger]

Thanks for confirming my observation, like a good little Stalinist knuckle dragger.

Oh yes...kill federal agents

A libertarians wet dream

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Thanks for confirming my observation, like a good little Stalinist knuckle dragger.

Oh yes...kill federal agents

A libertarians wet dream

No evidence was ever presented that anyone in the Waco Compound killed anyone. Further the Compound was no threat to the FBI or the surrounding community. There was absolutely no reason to originally raid the place and absolutely no reason to stage a tank lead assault on buildings with children in them that were laced with gasoline. All KNOWN to the FBI.

 

[Dr Grump]

The same rogue federal agency that gave us the Ruby Ridge Siege and about 15 years later Operation Fast and Furious is responsible for the initial confrontation that ultimately resulted in the incineration of about 80 people in Texas. The time span is interesting. The first attack by the jihad on the World Trade Center happened on 2/26/93 and two days later the ATF attacked a quasi Christian religious center in Waco Texas. Was there a connection?
The whole thing started when residents of the Branch Dividian center in Waco became interested in old junk British surplus weapons which were legal to possess. The Dividians came to the attention of the ATF because they also sent away for (legal) pamphlets that showed how to rebuild the weapons. The ATF could have stopped Dividian leader David Koresch at the 7-11 or called him in for a visit but they did what leaderless rogue units often do. They tried for the big score with a frontal assault by cammo clad agents in civilian vehicles. Nobody knows who fired the first shot but strangely enough the Dividians did not go quietly and a gunfight erupted.
President Clinton got what he wanted which was a diversion from the jihad attack on the WTC but the operation turned into a nightmare. By April the feds had enough and a crazy plan was authorized by the Attorney General where Military tanks would break into the compound and pump lethal CS gas (different from CN "tear gas" and illegal to use in prisons) into the buildings. The CS gas was a powder form and had to be used with a carrier gas which turned out to be as volatile as lacquer thinner. The stuff ignited an inferno and about 80 citizens burned to death. Ironically if the Military pulled the same stunt in Iraq or Afghanistan there would be hell to pay but with the cooperation of the media Clinton came away clean.
No illegal weapons as alleged in the initial ATF search warrant were ever recovered.

The only person responsible for Waco was David Koresh. End of story...Next....

 

[Oddball]

Thanks for confirming my observation, like a good little Stalinist knuckle dragger.

Oh yes...kill federal agents

A libertarians wet dream

Incinerate dozens of innocent women and children in cold blood....A Stalinist's wet dream.

 

[Dr Grump]

Oh, and let's not forget another of Reno's infamous constitutional disasters:

Reno did the right thing there, too....

 

[Dr Grump]

Thanks for confirming my observation, like a good little Stalinist knuckle dragger.

Oh yes...kill federal agents

A libertarians wet dream

Incinerate dozens of innocent women and children in cold blood....A Stalinist's wet dream.

Or, in this case, David Koresh's....

 

[jillian]

Thanks for confirming my observation, like a good little Stalinist knuckle dragger.

Oh yes...kill federal agents

A libertarians wet dream

No evidence was ever presented that anyone in the Waco Compound killed anyone. Further the Compound was no threat to the FBI or the surrounding community. There was absolutely no reason to originally raid the place and absolutely no reason to stage a tank lead assault on buildings with children in them that were laced with gasoline. All KNOWN to the FBI.

crimes didn't have to be proven in ADVANCE of arresting and charging koresh and his henchmen. all he had to do was surrender. if he was innocent, it would have been sorted out.

instead he was responsible for the deaths of all those people.

the fact that anyone finds cause to justify that is truly stomach-turning.

 

[Si modo]

Oh, for craps sake...anyone with half a brain knows that the Waco siege was a complete clusterfuck by the feds.

http://www.waco93.com/Danforth-finalreport.pdf

Start on p. 45.

Basically, the Special Counsel concluded that certain FBI and Department of Justice officials failed to disclose to the Attorney General, Congress, the courts, counsel for the Davidians, and the public, evidence and information about the use of pyrotechnic tear gas rounds until August 1999. Thier failure resulted from a combination of the inappropriate handling of evidence and the dereliction of duty by FBI and Department of Justice employees. As more fully set out below, the Special Counsel has concluded that some of these employees also obstructed the investigation.