Asians are NOT Being Passed Over At Harvard

[Cougarbear]

IM2's just mad that the Asian Tiger Moms had more resolve than the blacks.

It would be nice to all get along and Blacks and Whites just keep working harder to catch up to Asians in education. They will first have to repair families and get back to two parents (man and woman) households first. They will have to get off the ball fields and off the internet gaming to raise their level of education if they want to compete to get into colleges based on education and not the color of one's skin. What a disgrace Sotomayor is to the Asian community. A regular Aunt Hu.

 

[IM2]

Living in a Disney fantasy…

Yes you are.

 

[IM2]

It would be nice to all get along and Blacks and Whites just keep working harder to catch up to Asians in education. They will first have to repair families and get back to two parents (man and woman) households first. They will have to get off the ball fields and off the internet gaming to raise their level of education if they want to compete to get into colleges based on education and not the color of one's skin. What a disgrace Sotomayor is to the Asian community. A regular Aunt Hu.

Wrong again.

The right loves to claim that Asians are getting cheated out of college admissions for less qualified blacks and Hispanics. But you see there is a problem with that.

Under SAT-Only Admissions, Asian American Applicants to Selective Colleges Would Gain Fewer than 3,000 Seats Out of 120,000, Georgetown University Report Find
21% of Asian American students at the most selective colleges would not have been admitted
under a test-only admissions policy

Critics of affirmative action point to the stable enrollment share of Asian American students at the most selective colleges for the past two decades as evidence that these institutions maintain a predetermined racial balance of students. However, CEW researchers found that the enrollment share of Asian American and Pacific Islander students at Harvard and at the 90 other most selective colleges in the US has kept pace with their growing share of the four-year college-going population. In fact, the Asian American and Pacific Islander share of enrollments at the most selective colleges grew by 4 percentage points even while their enrollment share at all four-year colleges grew by just 2 percentage points between 1999 and 2018.

http://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/GeorgetownCEW_SelectiveBias_PressRelease_7-15-21.pdf#:~:text=%28Washington%2C%20DC%2C%20July%2015%2C%202021%29%20A%20new%20report

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes you are.

Oh, that was really bright. Think bright enough to get into Harvard...

 

[Cougarbear]

Wrong again.

The right loves to claim that Asians are getting cheated out of college admissions for less qualified blacks and Hispanics. But you see there is a problem with that.

Under SAT-Only Admissions, Asian American Applicants to Selective Colleges Would Gain Fewer than 3,000 Seats Out of 120,000, Georgetown University Report Find
21% of Asian American students at the most selective colleges would not have been admitted
under a test-only admissions policy

Critics of affirmative action point to the stable enrollment share of Asian American students at the most selective colleges for the past two decades as evidence that these institutions maintain a predetermined racial balance of students. However, CEW researchers found that the enrollment share of Asian American and Pacific Islander students at Harvard and at the 90 other most selective colleges in the US has kept pace with their growing share of the four-year college-going population. In fact, the Asian American and Pacific Islander share of enrollments at the most selective colleges grew by 4 percentage points even while their enrollment share at all four-year colleges grew by just 2 percentage points between 1999 and 2018.

http://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/GeorgetownCEW_SelectiveBias_PressRelease_7-15-21.pdf#:~:text=%28Washington%2C%20DC%2C%20July%2015%2C%202021%29%20A%20new%20report

The flaw with your reasons is that you are using statistics instead of who gets the better entrance scores. Who actually qualifies to be in Harvard. Your reasons are solely based on emotions instead of actual facts. The facts are that more qualified Asians were being excluded from Harvard because they are Asians beating the butts of whites and blacks. That is against our Constitution. And, this is why Jackson recused herself because this actually is happening at Harvard and not necessarily at other universities. The Court ruled it can't happen anywhere and that is a good thing.

 

[Toro]

First, let me start with the reason right-wingers here defend Asians even after blaming them for COVID19 was that Asian culture teaches to take the abuse and be quiet. It is the same philosophy Booker T. Washington used and blacks found that DID NOT WORK. Young Asians today have found that it does not work and are talking to older Asians about it. In upcoming years look for Asians to lose most favored minority group status and honorary whiteness as they begin to get more forceful in their challenge of white supremacy.

As for Harvard, Asians are not getting excluded. Once again I will repost the information from the upcoming case.

Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College. It is a case first filed in 2014.

In this case, the contention is that Asians are discriminated against based on the number of Asians turned down for Harvard admission. More than 30,000 students each year apply to Harvard. In 2019, there were 36,000 applicants for 1,600 slots. That meant 34,400 students of all races were not admitted. The claim is Asians get excluded to add black and Hispanic students. Ironically the claim is not made about Asians being passed over for white legacy students. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI “prohibits discrimination based on race, color, and national origin in federal financial assistance programs and activities.” Here is where the claim gets sticky. But before we get to that, we need to understand what courts use as regulations guiding a decision in cases such as this.

When a case such as this goes to court, the court considers many things. As it pertains to this case, the First Circuit Court determined that Harvard’s policy satisfied “strict scrutiny” and did not discriminate against Asians relative to admissions. Strict scrutiny comes into play in equal protection cases such as this one because race is considered a suspect category under the law. As a suspect category, if race is used as a classification in situations like this, it must be proven that using race is necessary to further a “compelling interest,” and the objective could not be accomplished without doing so. The use of racial classifications in this situation makes sense if a university is trying to create a learning atmosphere that utilizes students, faculty, and staff's diverse life experiences.

It is time to look at Blum's claim. He claims Asians are discriminated against in admissions. Harvard admission numbers do not support his claim. Asians are 6 percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full ten percentage points more than African Americans (15.9%) and more than double the percentage of both Hispanics(12.5%) and Native Americans(11%). In fact, there were more Asians admitted into Harvard than Hispanics and Native Americans combined. Additionally, a study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research and reported on the NBC.com website on September 20, 2019, revealed this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Here, we see that whites are provided entry by a plethora of other preferences they would not qualify for if not for connections they have due to their race. The study shows that Asians are not adversely impacted because Harvard must admit blacks and Hispanics that are presumably unqualified. Instead, we see white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance who get accepted at more than double the percentage of Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans who meet the same criteria.

Equal protection means that government entities must treat all individuals the same when the circumstances or situations are the same. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI “prohibits discrimination based on race, color, and national origin in federal financial assistance programs and activities.” The numbers show that when the circumstances and situations are the same, meaning ALDC preferences, 2.68 times more whites get admitted due to this preference than Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College

TITLE VI OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 42 U.S.C. § 2000D ET SEQ., Title VI Of The Civil Rights Act Of 1964 42 U.S.C. § 2000d Et Seq.

Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, First Circuit Holds that Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College

Russell W. Galloway Jr., Basic Equal Protection Analysis, 29 Santa Clara L. Rev. 121 (1989). Basic Equal Protection Analysis

The diverse demographics of Asian Americans, The diverse demographics of Asian Americans

Admissions Statistics, A Brief Profile of the Admitted Class of 2025, Harvard welcomes students from across the country and all over, Admissions Statistics

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

So much wrong in one single post.

 

[Cougarbear]

So much wrong in one single post.

Where does he find this nonsense. It's amazing!

 

[Lisa558]

The flaw with your reasons is that you are using statistics instead of who gets the better entrance scores. Who actually qualifies to be in Harvard. Your reasons are solely based on emotions instead of actual facts. The facts are that more qualified Asians were being excluded from Harvard because they are Asians beating the butts of whites and blacks. That is against our Constitution. And, this is why Jackson recused herself because this actually is happening at Harvard and not necessarily at other universities. The Court ruled it can't happen anywhere and that is a good thing.

And the thing that kicked off the lawsuit is that Harvard was so desperate to justify rejecting smart, accomplished Asians with perfect GPAs and the top 1% of SAT scores in favor of blacks with substantially worse metrics that they came up with a subjective personality test in which they scored Asians low on “likeability.” Talk about racist!!

 

[Cougarbear]

And the thing that kicked off the lawsuit is that Harvard was so desperate to justify rejecting smart, accomplished Asians with perfect GPAs and the top 1% of SAT scores in favor of blacks with substantially worse metrics that they came up with a subjective personality test in which they scored Asians low on “likeability.” Talk about racist!!

Well, you know that bedside manners are far more important than the actual ability to perform a surgery. There is a huge problem with education for blacks in the k - 12 schools we have. Most 3rd graders cannot read, write or do simple arithmetic. That's where the problem lies. Not the ability of Blacks to learn. When you have 12 years of poor education, it shows up trying to get into college. Perhaps these woke liberals should stop teaching garbage to children and start teaching real education.
Another area where Asians beat Blacks and many Whites now is with the family. 75-80% of all Black households have only a mother in it. No fathers to control their sons and daughters from joining up with gangs and doing drugs and alcohol. Even Obama touched on this point because it is at the heart of why Blacks aren't scoring high enough at Harvard and other colleges and universities. I has nothing to do with equality or percentages of anything.

 

[Lisa558]

Well, you know that bedside manners are far more important than the actual ability to perform a surgery. There is a huge problem with education for blacks in the k - 12 schools we have. Most 3rd graders cannot read, write or do simple arithmetic. That's where the problem lies. Not the ability of Blacks to learn. When you have 12 years of poor education, it shows up trying to get into college. Perhaps these woke liberals should stop teaching garbage to children and start teaching real education.
Another area where Asians beat Blacks and many Whites now is with the family. 75-80% of all Black households have only a mother in it. No fathers to control their sons and daughters from joining up with gangs and doing drugs and alcohol. Even Obama touched on this point because it is at the heart of why Blacks aren't scoring high enough at Harvard and other colleges and universities. I has nothing to do with equality or percentages of anything.

I’ve brought that up before - that much of the reason blacks average below whites and Asians is due to their high out of wedlock rate, which is associated with poverty and crime. Naturally, the libs descended on me like vultures, screaming…..raaaaaacist!!

 

[Cougarbear]

I’ve brought that up before - that much of the reason blacks average below whites and Asians is due to their high out of wedlock rate, which is associated with poverty and crime. Naturally, the libs descended on me like vultures, screaming…..raaaaaacist!!

Yet, they like to quote percentages when it suits their agendas. Here, it does not but is true. Asians by far have stronger families than Blacks and Whites now as well as we have lost our Christian-Judeo ways.
Do you know why we can't respond to the student debt decision by the Court? The forum isn't allowing it?

 

[Lisa558]

Yet, they like to quote percentages when it suits their agendas. Here, it does not but is true. Asians by far have stronger families than Blacks and Whites now as well as we have lost our Christian-Judeo ways.
Do you know why we can't respond to the student debt decision by the Court? The forum isn't allowing it?

What do you mean? Are you getting blocked?

(This was a really good week for America!)

 

[Cougarbear]

What do you mean? Are you getting blocked?

(This was a really good week for America!)

The administrators don't allow replies. Just thanks.

 

[Hector12]

Way too white.

I think she is perfect.

Light skin correlates with intelligence because cold climates select genetically for both.

 

[Lisa558]

I think she is perfect.

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Light skin correlates with intelligence because cold climates select genetically for both.

I think she looks underage. Hope you’re not going after the high school kids.

 

[BackAgain]

Way too white.

Please. The term is “white adjacent.” I learned this from a racist.
Hell, just ask lil im.2 .

 

[Hector12]

I think she looks underage. Hope you’re not going after the high school kids.

No certainly not. If one took the initiative with me I would avoid her.

As far as the lady in the picture is concerned, if I was a bar tender I would probably ask for two identifications.

I have been privileged to date several Oriental women. My guess is that she is in her early twenties. Women that age have not looked back at me for a long time.

 

[abu afak]

It is time to look at Blum's claim. He claims Asians are discriminated against in admissions. Harvard admission numbers do not support his claim. Asians are 6 percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full ten percentage points more than African Americans (15.9%) and more than double the percentage of both Hispanics(12.5%) and Native Americans(11%). In fact, there were more Asians admitted into Harvard than Hispanics and Native Americans combined. Additionally, a study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research and reported on the NBC.com website on September 20, 2019, revealed this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Here, we see that whites are provided entry by a plethora of other preferences they would not qualify for if not for connections they have due to their race. The study shows that Asians are not adversely impacted because Harvard must admit blacks and Hispanics that are presumably unqualified. Instead, we see white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance who get accepted at more than double the percentage of Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans who meet the same criteria.

Equal protection means that government entities must treat all individuals the same when the circumstances or situations are the same. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI “prohibits discrimination based on race, color, and national origin in federal financial assistance programs and activities.” The numbers show that when the circumstances and situations are the same, meaning ALDC preferences, 2.68 times more whites get admitted due to this preference than Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College

TITLE VI OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 42 U.S.C. § 2000D ET SEQ., Title VI Of The Civil Rights Act Of 1964 42 U.S.C. § 2000d Et Seq.

Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, First Circuit Holds that Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College

Russell W. Galloway Jr., Basic Equal Protection Analysis, 29 Santa Clara L. Rev. 121 (1989). Basic Equal Protection Analysis

The diverse demographics of Asian Americans, The diverse demographics of Asian Americans

Admissions Statistics, A Brief Profile of the Admitted Class of 2025, Harvard welcomes students from across the country and all over, Admissions Statistics

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

You're using percent of overall population instead of percent qualified to decide who is over/under represented.
This IS Low IQ or deception. More likely the first.

"But in fact, among top scorers—those scoring between a 750 and 800—60% are Asian and 33% are white, compared to 5% Latino and 2% black. Meanwhile, those scoring between 300 and 350, 37% are Latino, 35% are black, 21% are white, and 6% are Asian.".."

Race gaps in SAT scores highlight inequality and hinder upward mobility | Brookings

Taking the SAT is an American rite of passage. Along with the increasingly popular ACT, the SAT is critical in identifying student readiness for college and as an important gateway to higher education. Yet despite efforts to equalize academic opportunity, large racial gaps in SAT scores persist...

www.brookings.edu

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[Quasar44]

Half of Harvard is woke low IQ peons and the other half are genius 20 yr olds

 

[Vastator]

First, let me start with the reason right-wingers here defend Asians even after blaming them for COVID19 was that Asian culture teaches to take the abuse and be quiet. It is the same philosophy Booker T. Washington used and blacks found that DID NOT WORK. Young Asians today have found that it does not work and are talking to older Asians about it. In upcoming years look for Asians to lose most favored minority group status and honorary whiteness as they begin to get more forceful in their challenge of white supremacy.

As for Harvard, Asians are not getting excluded. Once again I will repost the information from the upcoming case.

Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College. It is a case first filed in 2014.

In this case, the contention is that Asians are discriminated against based on the number of Asians turned down for Harvard admission. More than 30,000 students each year apply to Harvard. In 2019, there were 36,000 applicants for 1,600 slots. That meant 34,400 students of all races were not admitted. The claim is Asians get excluded to add black and Hispanic students. Ironically the claim is not made about Asians being passed over for white legacy students. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI “prohibits discrimination based on race, color, and national origin in federal financial assistance programs and activities.” Here is where the claim gets sticky. But before we get to that, we need to understand what courts use as regulations guiding a decision in cases such as this.

When a case such as this goes to court, the court considers many things. As it pertains to this case, the First Circuit Court determined that Harvard’s policy satisfied “strict scrutiny” and did not discriminate against Asians relative to admissions. Strict scrutiny comes into play in equal protection cases such as this one because race is considered a suspect category under the law. As a suspect category, if race is used as a classification in situations like this, it must be proven that using race is necessary to further a “compelling interest,” and the objective could not be accomplished without doing so. The use of racial classifications in this situation makes sense if a university is trying to create a learning atmosphere that utilizes students, faculty, and staff's diverse life experiences.

It is time to look at Blum's claim. He claims Asians are discriminated against in admissions. Harvard admission numbers do not support his claim. Asians are 6 percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full ten percentage points more than African Americans (15.9%) and more than double the percentage of both Hispanics(12.5%) and Native Americans(11%). In fact, there were more Asians admitted into Harvard than Hispanics and Native Americans combined. Additionally, a study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research and reported on the NBC.com website on September 20, 2019, revealed this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Here, we see that whites are provided entry by a plethora of other preferences they would not qualify for if not for connections they have due to their race. The study shows that Asians are not adversely impacted because Harvard must admit blacks and Hispanics that are presumably unqualified. Instead, we see white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance who get accepted at more than double the percentage of Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans who meet the same criteria.

Equal protection means that government entities must treat all individuals the same when the circumstances or situations are the same. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI “prohibits discrimination based on race, color, and national origin in federal financial assistance programs and activities.” The numbers show that when the circumstances and situations are the same, meaning ALDC preferences, 2.68 times more whites get admitted due to this preference than Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College

TITLE VI OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 42 U.S.C. § 2000D ET SEQ., Title VI Of The Civil Rights Act Of 1964 42 U.S.C. § 2000d Et Seq.

Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, First Circuit Holds that Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College

Russell W. Galloway Jr., Basic Equal Protection Analysis, 29 Santa Clara L. Rev. 121 (1989). Basic Equal Protection Analysis

The diverse demographics of Asian Americans, The diverse demographics of Asian Americans

Admissions Statistics, A Brief Profile of the Admitted Class of 2025, Harvard welcomes students from across the country and all over, Admissions Statistics

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

Watching a person lose their vaunted favored minority status is... Pathetic.