As Obama Pays Ransom, Iran Jails More Americans

[easyt65]

Pavlov's experiment resulted in a dog salivating every time a bell rang, the results of ringing a bell every time the dog was fed. ring the bell after a while and the dog still salivates. Learned conditioning - if 'x' happens' 'y' results. The bell being rung means food.

Barry unintentionally conducted a similar experiment with Iran recently by paying a ransom to Iran for the release of US hostages. The result? Hostages = US ransom payments.

Proof?

As Obama Pays Ransom, Iran Jails More Americans

"Iran is quietly arresting American citizens and taking them as hostages in order to utilize them as pawns for extracting economic concessions or receiving political and financial gains.

President Obama and his administration have played a crucial role in encouraging Iran to conduct such nefarious actions. In the most egregious example, a recent report revealed that, according to U.S. and European officials and congressional staff who were briefed, “The Obama administration secretly organized an airlift of $400 million worth of cash to Iran” when four Iranian-Americans were recently released."


Despite warnings of how paying ransoms would only endanger more American lives, Barry did not listen. Instead he negotiated for a secret, middle-of-the-night cash payment in foreign denominations loaded on an unmarked plane flown to Iran for the release of hostages.

So what's happening now?

The 'bell is ringing'.

Iran is 'salivating'.

More Americans are being taken hostage.

Bravo, Barry! You proved Pavlov's experiment remains accurate while jeopardizing more American lives.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

 

[easyt65]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Nice OPINION...but it really doesn't matter what you THINK. Iran believes - and has declared - America paid a ransom. As a result they are kidnapping/arresting more Americans to use as hostages to hold for more ransom.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Nice OPINION...but it really doesn't matter what you THINK. Iran believes - and has declared - America paid a ransom. As a result they are kidnapping/arresting more Americans to use as hostages to hold for more ransom.

See if you can refute this point by point:

Why the $400 Million Wasn’t Ransom
The deal’s defenders insist that the financial negotiations were totally separate from both the nuclear deal and the hostage talks, and were led by three separate teams. It’s impossible to verify or refute that information.

A stronger argument is that the U.S. had to make a big payment to Iran because of a 35-year-old deal for weapons that were never received. It wasn’t a matter of if, but when and how much. Washington was worried that the tribunal would impose a payment of several billion dollars, as Tehran demanded, and grabbed the opportunity to settle for the $1.7 billion as part of a overall pact at the same time Iran was benefiting from the nuclear agreement.

It’s also reasonable to ask why Iran would release hostages in exchange for $400 million, when—according to the deal’s defenders—it was bound to get at least that amount from the Hague anyway, and could keep the hostages to boot. Of course, it’s impossible to verify if Tehran was truly convinced a bigger, though later, settlement was likely. Still, it’s clear that the payout from the $400 million dispute was coming, and would happen with or without a release of hostages.

“This was not a quid pro quo for hostages,” saysBarbara Slavin, acting director of the Future of Iran Initiative at the Atlantic Council. “It was an opportunity for countries with no diplomatic relations to clear away a number of diplomatic disputes. For the U.S, it was important to get back the detained Americans, and the Iranians wanted their seven citizens out of jail.”

Slavin adds that most of the recent coverage of the U.S.-Iran dealings ignores the importance of the prisoner exchange.

According to Sick: “It was all taken care of at the same time, through separate channels. It was a good deal for U.S. taxpayers, the U.S. obeyed the law, and the payment was always going to happen anyway.”

5 Things You Need to Know About the $400 Million America Sent to Iran

 

[bendog]

The question is what course the US can take to ameliorate the non-pragmatists in Iran. Of course we have our own non-pragmatists

Iranian conservatives may be forced to embrace Rouhani

 

[BlackSand]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Of course it is a lie ... President Obama didn't want to free the hostages, he wanted to give Iran a total of $1.3 billion.

He just had to get Iran off the international terrorist list ... So America wouldn't be listed as the number one supporter of state sponsored terrorism when he gave them the money. He just had the hostages freed so silly people would argue about whether or not it was ransom ... Instead of asking why the fuck he was giving $1.3 billion to a bunch of terrorists.

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[bendog]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Nice OPINION...but it really doesn't matter what you THINK. Iran believes - and has declared - America paid a ransom. As a result they are kidnapping/arresting more Americans to use as hostages to hold for more ransom.

Well, easy, how do YOU know what all of IRan believes?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Iranghazi!

 

[LaDexter]

Everyone of these "American citizens" is a dual citizen of the US and ISRAEL...

This is a fight between Israel and Iran. We don't have a dog in it...

 

[NYcarbineer]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Of course it is a lie ... President Obama didn't want to free the hostages, he wanted to give Iran a total of $1.3 billion.

He just had to get Iran off the international terrorist list ... So America would be listed as the number one supporter of state sponsored terrorism when he gave them the money. He just had the hostages freed so silly people would argue about whether or not it was ransom ... Instead of asking why the fuck he was giving $1.3 billion to a bunch of terrorists.

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Read my post linked to Fortune and you can learn why the money was paid.

 

[JoeB131]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Nice OPINION...but it really doesn't matter what you THINK. Iran believes - and has declared - America paid a ransom. As a result they are kidnapping/arresting more Americans to use as hostages to hold for more ransom.

Any American citizen dumb enough to be in Iran kind of deserves what he gets.

But the payment was still not a ransom. It was money Iran was legally entitled to.

 

[BlackSand]

Read my post linked to Fortune and you can learn why the money was paid.

You don't have read the link to follow the fricken money ... Nor know who was listed as the worlds largest supporter of state sponsored terrorism.
You can make all the excuses you want ... I am just agreeing that is exactly what the current administration wants you to do.

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[Billy_Kinetta]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Ransom WAS paid, and interest that was not owed. Obama wanted to provide support.

 

[bendog]

Everyone of these "American citizens" is a dual citizen of the US and ISRAEL...

This is a fight between Israel and Iran. We don't have a dog in it...

We have a dog in the fight against Sunni terrorists. Iran is not going to be an ally, but we have some common interests. Despite easy and black sands baning of the drums .... what is really happening is the very conservatives in Iran's military and security are attempting to bait the US. W's policy of regime change worked well for them. They will do whatever they can to derail constructive engagement, even though a maj of Iranians probably prefer that to isolationism.

 

[easyt65]

But the payment was still not a ransom. It was money Iran was legally entitled to.

Again, tell that to Iran, who declared it WAS a ransom and who is now rounding up more hostages, and the other nations/groups that now 'know' America pays ransoms.

 

[nat4900]

Pavlov's experiment resulted in a dog salivating every time a bell rang, the results of ringing a bell every time the dog was fed. ring the bell after a while and the dog still salivates. Learned conditioning - if 'x' happens' 'y' results. The bell being rung means food.

Barry unintentionally conducted a similar experiment with Iran recently by paying a ransom to Iran for the release of US hostages. The result? Hostages = US ransom payments.

Proof?

As Obama Pays Ransom, Iran Jails More Americans

"Iran is quietly arresting American citizens and taking them as hostages in order to utilize them as pawns for extracting economic concessions or receiving political and financial gains.

President Obama and his administration have played a crucial role in encouraging Iran to conduct such nefarious actions. In the most egregious example, a recent report revealed that, according to U.S. and European officials and congressional staff who were briefed, “The Obama administration secretly organized an airlift of $400 million worth of cash to Iran” when four Iranian-Americans were recently released."


Despite warnings of how paying ransoms would only endanger more American lives, Barry did not listen. Instead he negotiated for a secret, middle-of-the-night cash payment in foreign denominations loaded on an unmarked plane flown to Iran for the release of hostages.

So what's happening now?

The 'bell is ringing'.

Iran is 'salivating'.

More Americans are being taken hostage.

Bravo, Barry! You proved Pavlov's experiment remains accurate while jeopardizing more American lives.

The HEADLINE from this hit piece talks about "Iran jailing more Americans"....

If one reads the article, this is discovered.....

...... in March, Nazak Afshar, a French citizen who travelled to Iran to visit her ill mother, was detained at the time of arrival and was sentenced to six years in prison. The charges against her are still not clear. A month after, Nanzanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, a British citizen who is also not a political or human rights activist was arrested. She was with her infant daughter. The authorities also confiscated child’s passport. In June Homa Hoodfar, a Canadian citizen and university professor, was arrested. Bahman Daroshafaei, a British citizen, was arrested a few months ago and his family still does not know his whereabouts and the charges against him.

Mostafa Azizi, a Canadian documentary filmmaker, was arrested and sentenced to eight years in prison for “acting against national security,” “insulting the Supreme Leader,” and “propaganda against the state.” Recently, the Islamic Republic arrested Seraj Mirdamadi, a French journalist, who was later sentenced to six years in prison for “assembly and collusion against national security” and “propaganda against the state”. Hossein Nouraninejad, an Australian journalist was also arrested and sentenced to six years in prison on charges of “propaganda against the state” and “assembly and collusion against national security.”

In the fucked up assertion by right wing morons, there is the convenient forgetfulness that the WEST does have a history of spying....and if that is a "surprise" to right wing morons, then they're even MORE stupid than previously thought.

 

[nat4900]

Again, tell that to Iran, who declared it WAS a ransom and who is now rounding up more hostages, and the other nations/groups that now 'know' America pays ransoms.

The ONLY "ransom" we ever paid to Iran....( with US money, not Iran's own money as is the case now) is when REAGAN and Oliver North paid them off.

 

[paulitician]

Why do Americans continue to go to Iran? I suspect some of them are US spies posing as 'Tourists.' The Iranians aren't as dumb as most Americans assume they are. They know the US/West is in their country trying to destabilize. They're aware of what's going on.

 

[bendog]

After the Iran deal, the thought was Iran would be more open, so dual citizens went to visit. The very conservative security services not only didn't like that, they also so an opportunity to provoke other govts into actions that could reimpose more isolationism onto Iran, which is their goal.

 

[paulitician]

After the Iran deal, the thought was Iran would be more open, so dual citizens went to visit. The very conservative security services not only didn't like that, they also so an opportunity to provoke other govts into actions that could reimpose more isolationism onto Iran, which is their goal.

Americans really shouldn't be in Iran. There's a 'Cold War' goin on. Iran has every right to believe that most Americans there, are US spies. Because it's probably true. The US/West and Saudi Arabia are desperately trying to destabilize Iran. I'm sure there are currently numerous US/West spies there.