As Obama Pays Ransom, Iran Jails More Americans

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Why would ANY intelligent American go to the middle east?

 

[easyt65]

It is embarrassing when a President is negotiating from a position of great weakness.

While Barry / Kerry was groveling before the Shah, the Shah was leading chants form thousands of , Death to America'.

While Barry and Kerry were pleading for an unsanctioned deal, the Iranian air force was practicing air strikes against a mock US aircraft carrier.

While Barry and Kerry were making all the concessions for his 'legacy deal', Iranian negotiators were publicly mocking them, declaring they would do / give Iran almost anything to get a deal done.
...we found out later - recently - that Barry & Kerry granted them the authority to ignore some of the stipulations in the deal.

Score:
Iran - 1
Barry - 0

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Then Iran captures several sailors who they claim were in their territorial borders, mistreated them, put out propaganda videos using the sailors, all to embarrass Barry and the US.

Score:
Iran - 2
Barry - 0

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Iran demanded $400 Million in cash (instead of the standard wire transfer always done before), multiple foreign denominations, flown out on an unmarked plane in the middle of the night, delivered to where the hostages were being held until the money was delivered (yet was 'not' a 'ransom')...and Barry complied. Iran then releases a video of the exchange and declares to the world Obama just paid a ransom.

Score:
Iran - 3
Barry - 0


...and now Iran is collecting more hostages. Barry does noting but continue to claim, 'It wasn't a ransom!'


Iran is kicking Barry's ass.

 

[Katzndogz]

It is simply not enough to take Americans in the middle east hostage. Iran should take them off the streets of American cities. As easy as it is to come here illegally, it should be very easy to get someone out of the country the same way. Get them across the border and it's next stop Tehran.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

 

[paulitician]

Americans should stay out of Iran. Period, end of story.

 

[easyt65]

 

[nat4900]

Americans really shouldn't be in Iran. There's a 'Cold War' goin on. Iran has every right to believe that most Americans there, are US spies. Because it's probably true. The US/West and Saudi Arabia are desperately trying to destabilize Iran. I'm sure there are currently numerous US/West spies there.

Thank you.....We don't agree on much, but on this I fully agree....

Iranians are NOT even a bit stupid, and part of that swap a few weeks ago ALSO included us releasing a half dozen Iranian spies that we had arrested in the US. So, they do it to us and we certainly do it to them and their assumption (right or wrong) is that ANY American going to Iran at this point has got to have some ulterior motive...i.e., spying.

 

[NYcarbineer]

But the payment was still not a ransom. It was money Iran was legally entitled to.

Again, tell that to Iran, who declared it WAS a ransom and who is now rounding up more hostages, and the other nations/groups that now 'know' America pays ransoms.

Iranian propaganda is the Gospel to you? lol.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Ransom WAS paid, and interest that was not owed. Obama wanted to provide support.

How many times would you have to be told that this was Iran's money in the first place, money they paid for goods they never received,

before it would get through your thick skull?

 

[NYcarbineer]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Nice OPINION...but it really doesn't matter what you THINK. Iran believes - and has declared - America paid a ransom. As a result they are kidnapping/arresting more Americans to use as hostages to hold for more ransom.

See if you can refute this point by point:

Why the $400 Million Wasn’t Ransom
The deal’s defenders insist that the financial negotiations were totally separate from both the nuclear deal and the hostage talks, and were led by three separate teams. It’s impossible to verify or refute that information.

A stronger argument is that the U.S. had to make a big payment to Iran because of a 35-year-old deal for weapons that were never received. It wasn’t a matter of if, but when and how much. Washington was worried that the tribunal would impose a payment of several billion dollars, as Tehran demanded, and grabbed the opportunity to settle for the $1.7 billion as part of a overall pact at the same time Iran was benefiting from the nuclear agreement.

It’s also reasonable to ask why Iran would release hostages in exchange for $400 million, when—according to the deal’s defenders—it was bound to get at least that amount from the Hague anyway, and could keep the hostages to boot. Of course, it’s impossible to verify if Tehran was truly convinced a bigger, though later, settlement was likely. Still, it’s clear that the payout from the $400 million dispute was coming, and would happen with or without a release of hostages.

“This was not a quid pro quo for hostages,” saysBarbara Slavin, acting director of the Future of Iran Initiative at the Atlantic Council. “It was an opportunity for countries with no diplomatic relations to clear away a number of diplomatic disputes. For the U.S, it was important to get back the detained Americans, and the Iranians wanted their seven citizens out of jail.”

Slavin adds that most of the recent coverage of the U.S.-Iran dealings ignores the importance of the prisoner exchange.

According to Sick: “It was all taken care of at the same time, through separate channels. It was a good deal for U.S. taxpayers, the U.S. obeyed the law, and the payment was always going to happen anyway.”

5 Things You Need to Know About the $400 Million America Sent to Iran

And, unsurprisingly, we won't be seeing any refutation of the above.

Case closed.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

No ransom was paid. Stop lying.

Ransom WAS paid, and interest that was not owed. Obama wanted to provide support.

How many times would you have to be told that this was Iran's money in the first place, money they paid for goods they never received,

before it would get through your thick skull?

I disagree. That money should have been distributed decades ago among the hostages and their families for damages incurred in 1979.

Spoils of war, a policy we should probably adopt.

As to the "interest" paid, we aren't a fucking savings bank. They were due no interest whatsoever.

 

[easyt65]

Iranian propaganda is the Gospel to you? lol.

As the old saying goes, 'Perception is reality'.

The whole world saw Barry pay a ransom for hostages, and only Barry and rabidly partisan liberals such as yourself are claiming it wasn't a ransom. The rest of the world does. And now Iran is rounding up MORE hostages for ransom.

You can scream 'It wasn't a ransom' all day until you're blue in the face, but it does not matter if the terrorists and Iran, who do believe it, are starting to kidnap Americans for ransom. You go right ahead, though, and convince THEM is was not a ransom. Let me know how that goes.

 

[AntonToo]

As the old saying goes, 'Perception is reality'.

Exactly, that's why the Earth was flat, but then inflated into a sphere as perceptions changed.

 

[LaDexter]

Any American citizen dumb enough

These are NOT "Americans." They are Israelis with token US citizenship because this is yet another attempt by Zionism to provoke a US war with an enemy of Israel.

Same program, different channel.

 

[easyt65]

Exactly, that's why the Earth was flat, but then inflated into a sphere as perceptions changed.

People's minds had to be changed. When you convince Iran and the rest of the world this was not a ransom, invite me to your 'victory' party!

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Any American citizen dumb enough

These are NOT "Americans." They are Israelis with token US citizenship because this is yet another attempt by Zionism to provoke a US war with an enemy of Israel.

Same program, different channel.

 

[nat4900]

I disagree. That money should have been distributed decades ago among the hostages and their families for damages incurred in 1979.

Spoils of war, a policy we should probably adopt.

As to the "interest" paid, we aren't a fucking savings bank. They were due no interest whatsoever.

One last fucking time on this issue based on stupid and ignorant "conclusions" by right wingers.....

When REAGAN got our hostages back from Iran in 1981, the US agreed to a decision to be rendered by 9 judges (3 US, 3 Iranians and 3 neutral) as to what to do with the $400 million that Iran had ALREADY paid to the US for weaponry.

The case was due to be settled in early 2016 and the US well-knew that she would lose and Iran would actually be awarded by this panel of judges at a tune of many billions of dollars (because of the interest)....

The US (Obama) decided to settle for a much smaller amount about 1/10th of what Iran would have won with this panel.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I disagree. That money should have been distributed decades ago among the hostages and their families for damages incurred in 1979.

Spoils of war, a policy we should probably adopt.

As to the "interest" paid, we aren't a fucking savings bank. They were due no interest whatsoever.

One last fucking time on this issue based on stupid and ignorant "conclusions" by right wingers.....

When REAGAN got our hostages back from Iran in 1981, the US agreed to a decision to be rendered by 9 judges (3 US, 3 Iranians and 3 neutral) as to what to do with the $400 million that Iran had ALREADY paid to the US for weaponry.

The case was due to be settled in early 2016 and the US well-knew that she would lose and Iran would actually be awarded by this panel of judges at a tune of many billions of dollars (because of the interest)....

The US (Obama) decided to settle for a much smaller amount about 1/10th of what Iran would have won with this panel.

I don't care. That is not justice.

As an aside, won from who? What court is so recognized by us?

 

[LaDexter]

Hey Billy, give us the "names" of these "Americans...."

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Hey Billy, give us the "names" of these "Americans...."

Which Americans?