Argue with it

[HappyJoy]

Same thing in any run of the mill socialist country. You just get an education and healthcare to go along with it.

Back to you, how are you avoiding social security and medicare?

By Working.
I avoid paycheck-to-paycheck, a boss and bad days at work, and being fired, and going through rejection and discrimination too by working for myself.

I think what you just said is you own your own business. Hey, you can do that in a socialist country too...there ya' go, what do you think?

Of course not everyone can own their own business....not even in 100% pure unadulterated non existent capitalist countries either.

Sure I could.
If the Politicians like what I do for a living and agree with how much I earn.
lol

That's no freedom.

Oh?

Its the Politician's job to Govern... and one the ways that its easiest to Govern, is to try to squeeze in Socialism, because it makes his position to Govern so much stronger.
And the more he Governs, the less freedom is had by the People.

Governments are agents of Law, not Freedom.

Period.

See Somalia. Almost no government but no shortage of assholes running everyones' lives.

 

[Ice29]

By Working.
I avoid paycheck-to-paycheck, a boss and bad days at work, and being fired, and going through rejection and discrimination too by working for myself.

I think what you just said is you own your own business. Hey, you can do that in a socialist country too...there ya' go, what do you think?

Of course not everyone can own their own business....not even in 100% pure unadulterated non existent capitalist countries either.

Sure I could.
If the Politicians like what I do for a living and agree with how much I earn.
lol

That's no freedom.

Oh?

Its the Politician's job to Govern... and one the ways that its easiest to Govern, is to try to squeeze in Socialism, because it makes his position to Govern so much stronger.
And the more he Governs, the less freedom is had by the People.

Governments are agents of Law, not Freedom.

Period.

See Somalia. Almost no government but no shortage of assholes running everyones' lives.

Yes if you come onto my property I have the right to set rules.
If you want to work for me, I have terms and conditions.
If you want something for me, there are rules.

I have the right to represent my Business in any dealings that I have with you to protect myself.

 

[HappyJoy]

I think what you just said is you own your own business. Hey, you can do that in a socialist country too...there ya' go, what do you think?

Of course not everyone can own their own business....not even in 100% pure unadulterated non existent capitalist countries either.

Sure I could.
If the Politicians like what I do for a living and agree with how much I earn.
lol

That's no freedom.

Oh?

Its the Politician's job to Govern... and one the ways that its easiest to Govern, is to try to squeeze in Socialism, because it makes his position to Govern so much stronger.
And the more he Governs, the less freedom is had by the People.

Governments are agents of Law, not Freedom.

Period.

See Somalia. Almost no government but no shortage of assholes running everyones' lives.

Yes if you come onto my property I have the right to set rules.
If you want to work for me, I have terms and conditions.
If you want something for me, there are rules.

I have the right to represent my Business in any dealings that I have with you to protect myself.

So, you like Somalia then.

 

[Ice29]

Sure I could.
If the Politicians like what I do for a living and agree with how much I earn.
lol

That's no freedom.

Oh?

Its the Politician's job to Govern... and one the ways that its easiest to Govern, is to try to squeeze in Socialism, because it makes his position to Govern so much stronger.
And the more he Governs, the less freedom is had by the People.

Governments are agents of Law, not Freedom.

Period.

See Somalia. Almost no government but no shortage of assholes running everyones' lives.

Yes if you come onto my property I have the right to set rules.
If you want to work for me, I have terms and conditions.
If you want something for me, there are rules.

I have the right to represent my Business in any dealings that I have with you to protect myself.

So, you like Somalia then.

Why should you be allowed to apply for a job, be my employee... take my money, fail to do your job, fail to benefit my business, fail to abide by my rules and conduct code, and even do crimes in my business name...not be fired ?

Why should you be allowed to sue me when I didn't break the law, because you have to pay for what I do for you and you didn't necessarily get the results that you had a grand pipe dream about last night ?

Why should you be allowed just barge into my truck in you own it, tell me to move over, and tell me how things are inside my business?

lol

 

[HappyJoy]

Oh?

Its the Politician's job to Govern... and one the ways that its easiest to Govern, is to try to squeeze in Socialism, because it makes his position to Govern so much stronger.
And the more he Governs, the less freedom is had by the People.

Governments are agents of Law, not Freedom.

Period.

See Somalia. Almost no government but no shortage of assholes running everyones' lives.

Yes if you come onto my property I have the right to set rules.
If you want to work for me, I have terms and conditions.
If you want something for me, there are rules.

I have the right to represent my Business in any dealings that I have with you to protect myself.

So, you like Somalia then.

Why should you be allowed to apply for a job, be my employee... take my money, fail to do your job, fail to benefit my business, fail to abide by my rules and conduct code, and even do crimes in my business name...not be fired ?

Why should you be allowed to sue me when I didn't break the law, because you have to pay for what I do for you and you didn't necessarily get the results that you had a grand pipe dream about last night ?

Why should you be allowed just barge into my truck in you own it, tell me to move over, and tell me how things are inside my business?

lol

I have no idea what you are going on about.

 

[Ice29]

Its the Politician's job to Govern... and one the ways that its easiest to Govern, is to try to squeeze in Socialism, because it makes his position to Govern so much stronger.
And the more he Governs, the less freedom is had by the People.

Governments are agents of Law, not Freedom.

Period.

See Somalia. Almost no government but no shortage of assholes running everyones' lives.

Yes if you come onto my property I have the right to set rules.
If you want to work for me, I have terms and conditions.
If you want something for me, there are rules.

I have the right to represent my Business in any dealings that I have with you to protect myself.

So, you like Somalia then.

Why should you be allowed to apply for a job, be my employee... take my money, fail to do your job, fail to benefit my business, fail to abide by my rules and conduct code, and even do crimes in my business name...not be fired ?

Why should you be allowed to sue me when I didn't break the law, because you have to pay for what I do for you and you didn't necessarily get the results that you had a grand pipe dream about last night ?

Why should you be allowed just barge into my truck in you own it, tell me to move over, and tell me how things are inside my business?

lol

I have no idea what you are going on about.

You said "assholes running everyone's lives"...
I said....

I have the right to represent my business when I deal with you professionally.
I also have the right to protect what is mine.

 

[HappyJoy]

See Somalia. Almost no government but no shortage of assholes running everyones' lives.

Yes if you come onto my property I have the right to set rules.
If you want to work for me, I have terms and conditions.
If you want something for me, there are rules.

I have the right to represent my Business in any dealings that I have with you to protect myself.

So, you like Somalia then.

Why should you be allowed to apply for a job, be my employee... take my money, fail to do your job, fail to benefit my business, fail to abide by my rules and conduct code, and even do crimes in my business name...not be fired ?

Why should you be allowed to sue me when I didn't break the law, because you have to pay for what I do for you and you didn't necessarily get the results that you had a grand pipe dream about last night ?

Why should you be allowed just barge into my truck in you own it, tell me to move over, and tell me how things are inside my business?

lol

I have no idea what you are going on about.

You said "assholes running everyone's lives"...
I said....

I have the right to represent my business when I deal with you professionally.
I also have the right to protect what is mine.

Of course you do, within the limits of the law but then you go into how the government tells you that you can't fire people and whatever.

 

[Ice29]

Yes if you come onto my property I have the right to set rules.
If you want to work for me, I have terms and conditions.
If you want something for me, there are rules.

I have the right to represent my Business in any dealings that I have with you to protect myself.

So, you like Somalia then.

Why should you be allowed to apply for a job, be my employee... take my money, fail to do your job, fail to benefit my business, fail to abide by my rules and conduct code, and even do crimes in my business name...not be fired ?

Why should you be allowed to sue me when I didn't break the law, because you have to pay for what I do for you and you didn't necessarily get the results that you had a grand pipe dream about last night ?

Why should you be allowed just barge into my truck in you own it, tell me to move over, and tell me how things are inside my business?

lol

I have no idea what you are going on about.

You said "assholes running everyone's lives"...
I said....

I have the right to represent my business when I deal with you professionally.
I also have the right to protect what is mine.

Of course you do, within the limits of the law but then you go into how the government tells you that you can't fire people and whatever.

I have the right to fire people who :

* Fail to Demonstrate a Customer Friendly face for my Business.
* Fail to Benefit my Business.
* Cost me too much money for your level of benefit to my Business.
* Fail to abide by my rules.
* Commit Crimes.
* Abuse, Defy, and/or Threaten me.

 

[HappyJoy]

So, you like Somalia then.

Why should you be allowed to apply for a job, be my employee... take my money, fail to do your job, fail to benefit my business, fail to abide by my rules and conduct code, and even do crimes in my business name...not be fired ?

Why should you be allowed to sue me when I didn't break the law, because you have to pay for what I do for you and you didn't necessarily get the results that you had a grand pipe dream about last night ?

Why should you be allowed just barge into my truck in you own it, tell me to move over, and tell me how things are inside my business?

lol

I have no idea what you are going on about.

You said "assholes running everyone's lives"...
I said....

I have the right to represent my business when I deal with you professionally.
I also have the right to protect what is mine.

Of course you do, within the limits of the law but then you go into how the government tells you that you can't fire people and whatever.

I have the right to fire people who :

* Fail to Demonstrate a Customer Friendly face for my Business.
* Fail to Benefit my Business.
* Cost me too much money for your level of benefit to my Business.
* Fail to abide by my rules.
* Commit Crimes.
* Abuse, Defy, and/or Threaten me.

OK, and?

 

[Ice29]

Why should you be allowed to apply for a job, be my employee... take my money, fail to do your job, fail to benefit my business, fail to abide by my rules and conduct code, and even do crimes in my business name...not be fired ?

Why should you be allowed to sue me when I didn't break the law, because you have to pay for what I do for you and you didn't necessarily get the results that you had a grand pipe dream about last night ?

Why should you be allowed just barge into my truck in you own it, tell me to move over, and tell me how things are inside my business?

lol

I have no idea what you are going on about.

You said "assholes running everyone's lives"...
I said....

I have the right to represent my business when I deal with you professionally.
I also have the right to protect what is mine.

Of course you do, within the limits of the law but then you go into how the government tells you that you can't fire people and whatever.

I have the right to fire people who :

* Fail to Demonstrate a Customer Friendly face for my Business.
* Fail to Benefit my Business.
* Cost me too much money for your level of benefit to my Business.
* Fail to abide by my rules.
* Commit Crimes.
* Abuse, Defy, and/or Threaten me.

OK, and?

That isn't the case in Europe, because their government has so much of a perch on which to dictate from... Because of how reliant that they are on the Government.
Because the Government is the route of supply for far too much in Europe.


And the consequences of that, are the incentive to be personally... an unproductive, worthless piece of sh!t... because there is no reward for being better than that.

And If I can't effectively manage my business, neither can you manage yours... because of the 14th Amendment.

Private Businesses in Europe are very inefficient.

 

[HappyJoy]

I have no idea what you are going on about.

You said "assholes running everyone's lives"...
I said....

I have the right to represent my business when I deal with you professionally.
I also have the right to protect what is mine.

Of course you do, within the limits of the law but then you go into how the government tells you that you can't fire people and whatever.

I have the right to fire people who :

* Fail to Demonstrate a Customer Friendly face for my Business.
* Fail to Benefit my Business.
* Cost me too much money for your level of benefit to my Business.
* Fail to abide by my rules.
* Commit Crimes.
* Abuse, Defy, and/or Threaten me.

OK, and?

That isn't the case in Europe, because their government has so much of a perch on which to dictate from... Because of how reliant that they are on the Government.
Because the Government is the route of supply for far too much in Europe.


And the consequences of that, are the incentive to be personally... an unproductive, worthless piece of sh!t... because there is no reward for being better than that.

And If I can't effectively manage my business, neither can you manage yours... because of the 14th Amendment.

Private Businesses in Europe are very inefficient.

I think in some countries they have employment tribunals where you may have to prove your not firing someone unfairly, not surely that is expressly a socialist thing. If someone steals from you, you can fire them.

In the United States you can't fire anyone for any reason, right? I think employees have some basic rights coming to them.

 

[Ice29]

You said "assholes running everyone's lives"...
I said....

I have the right to represent my business when I deal with you professionally.
I also have the right to protect what is mine.

Of course you do, within the limits of the law but then you go into how the government tells you that you can't fire people and whatever.

I have the right to fire people who :

* Fail to Demonstrate a Customer Friendly face for my Business.
* Fail to Benefit my Business.
* Cost me too much money for your level of benefit to my Business.
* Fail to abide by my rules.
* Commit Crimes.
* Abuse, Defy, and/or Threaten me.

OK, and?

That isn't the case in Europe, because their government has so much of a perch on which to dictate from... Because of how reliant that they are on the Government.
Because the Government is the route of supply for far too much in Europe.


And the consequences of that, are the incentive to be personally... an unproductive, worthless piece of sh!t... because there is no reward for being better than that.

And If I can't effectively manage my business, neither can you manage yours... because of the 14th Amendment.

Private Businesses in Europe are very inefficient.

I think in some countries they have employment tribunals where you may have to prove your not firing someone unfairly, not surely that is expressly a socialist thing. If someone steals from you, you can fire them.

In the United States you can't fire anyone for any reason, right? I think employees have some basic rights coming to them.

Its your job to prove your case, not my job to prove your case.
If you have a complaint, its your burden of proof.

On the application right here, I don't need any reason.

I seek good employees, not to fire people, but unfortunately sometimes it is part of management for many reasons, to fire people.
Not the least of which is the safety of my customers and my OTHER employees.. or even the freedom of all of us because something that a employee did is illegal if that is the case.

 

[Ice29]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

If you actually own a business you still work for your clients and just like you they can fire you or not buy your product at any time, and that is capitalism baby.

You write about being able to fire anyone at any time which is true in right to work states but you have states that are not right to work, and you have to follow those states rules when firing individuals, and even right to work states you still have rules you must abide by.

As Happy Joy asked you I will ask the same question and what will you do when your retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare?

Will you refuse it?

Unless you are part of some type of Clergy I believe you are still paying into the system or are you skirting the system and cheating the government?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

 

[Ice29]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

If you actually own a business you still work for your clients and just like you they can fire you or not buy your product at any time, and that is capitalism baby.

You write about being able to fire anyone at any time which is true in right to work states but you have states that are not right to work, and you have to follow those states rules when firing individuals, and even right to work states you still have rules you must abide by.

As Happy Joy asked you I will ask the same question and what will you do when your retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare?

Will you refuse it?

Unless you are part of some type of Clergy I believe you are still paying into the system or are you skirting the system and cheating the government?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

Yes I still work for my Clients, and that is why I do the best I can do.

And my generation can just about forget about retirement... and in my particular case for other reasons...
I will retire much later than projected or my generation.

And the application in Pennsylvania, is the same as the application in Tennessee, Texas, Alabama and Missouri.

Being employed in Pennsylvania that has Unions only benefits you, if you are part of a Union which only large companies are subjected to.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

If you actually own a business you still work for your clients and just like you they can fire you or not buy your product at any time, and that is capitalism baby.

You write about being able to fire anyone at any time which is true in right to work states but you have states that are not right to work, and you have to follow those states rules when firing individuals, and even right to work states you still have rules you must abide by.

As Happy Joy asked you I will ask the same question and what will you do when your retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare?

Will you refuse it?

Unless you are part of some type of Clergy I believe you are still paying into the system or are you skirting the system and cheating the government?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

Yes I still work for my Clients, and that is why I do the best I can do.

And my generation can just about forget about retirement... and in my particular case for other reasons...
I will retire much later than projected or my generation.

Still refusing to answer the question?

Are you going to accept your social security benefits when you are eligible?

Yes or No answer and yet you refuse to answer the question, why?

 

[Ice29]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

If you actually own a business you still work for your clients and just like you they can fire you or not buy your product at any time, and that is capitalism baby.

You write about being able to fire anyone at any time which is true in right to work states but you have states that are not right to work, and you have to follow those states rules when firing individuals, and even right to work states you still have rules you must abide by.

As Happy Joy asked you I will ask the same question and what will you do when your retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare?

Will you refuse it?

Unless you are part of some type of Clergy I believe you are still paying into the system or are you skirting the system and cheating the government?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

Yes I still work for my Clients, and that is why I do the best I can do.

And my generation can just about forget about retirement... and in my particular case for other reasons...
I will retire much later than projected or my generation.

Still refusing to answer the question?

Are you going to accept your social security benefits when you are eligible?

Yes or No answer and yet you refuse to answer the question, why?

If you want to know, I'll even tell you this much.
I was raised by parents who both were on Social Security my entire life..

It aint no fun living in Kill-a-Delphia being told no all the time, for the same quality of life as everybody else around.

It aint no fun riding in my teacher's car... knowing that I come home, its the Public Bus for me.

And I spent my 20's on Social Security and Medicare myself... that aint no fun.

So no.

 

[HappyJoy]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

If you actually own a business you still work for your clients and just like you they can fire you or not buy your product at any time, and that is capitalism baby.

You write about being able to fire anyone at any time which is true in right to work states but you have states that are not right to work, and you have to follow those states rules when firing individuals, and even right to work states you still have rules you must abide by.

As Happy Joy asked you I will ask the same question and what will you do when your retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare?

Will you refuse it?

Unless you are part of some type of Clergy I believe you are still paying into the system or are you skirting the system and cheating the government?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

Yes I still work for my Clients, and that is why I do the best I can do.

And my generation can just about forget about retirement... and in my particular case for other reasons...
I will retire much later than projected or my generation.

Still refusing to answer the question?

Are you going to accept your social security benefits when you are eligible?

Yes or No answer and yet you refuse to answer the question, why?

If you want to know, I'll even tell you this much.
I was raised by parents who both were on Social Security my entire life..

It aint no fun living in Kill-a-Delphia.

And I spent my 20's on Social Security and Medicare... that aint no fun.

So no.

Wait...what? Lot's of explain' is needed.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

If you actually own a business you still work for your clients and just like you they can fire you or not buy your product at any time, and that is capitalism baby.

You write about being able to fire anyone at any time which is true in right to work states but you have states that are not right to work, and you have to follow those states rules when firing individuals, and even right to work states you still have rules you must abide by.

As Happy Joy asked you I will ask the same question and what will you do when your retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare?

Will you refuse it?

Unless you are part of some type of Clergy I believe you are still paying into the system or are you skirting the system and cheating the government?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

Yes I still work for my Clients, and that is why I do the best I can do.

And my generation can just about forget about retirement... and in my particular case for other reasons...
I will retire much later than projected or my generation.

Still refusing to answer the question?

Are you going to accept your social security benefits when you are eligible?

Yes or No answer and yet you refuse to answer the question, why?

If you want to know, I'll even tell you this much.
I was raised by parents who both were on Social Security my entire life..

It aint no fun living in Kill-a-Delphia.

And I spent my 20's on Social Security and Medicare... that aint no fun.

So no.

So you will tell the government to keep their social security?

Also you were on SSD and Medicaid?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

yes you have rights.
But I don't have prove somebody else's case against me.

If you actually own a business you still work for your clients and just like you they can fire you or not buy your product at any time, and that is capitalism baby.

You write about being able to fire anyone at any time which is true in right to work states but you have states that are not right to work, and you have to follow those states rules when firing individuals, and even right to work states you still have rules you must abide by.

As Happy Joy asked you I will ask the same question and what will you do when your retire and start collecting Social Security and Medicare?

Will you refuse it?

Unless you are part of some type of Clergy I believe you are still paying into the system or are you skirting the system and cheating the government?

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10022.pdf

Yes I still work for my Clients, and that is why I do the best I can do.

And my generation can just about forget about retirement... and in my particular case for other reasons...
I will retire much later than projected or my generation.

Still refusing to answer the question?

Are you going to accept your social security benefits when you are eligible?

Yes or No answer and yet you refuse to answer the question, why?

If you want to know, I'll even tell you this much.
I was raised by parents who both were on Social Security my entire life..

It aint no fun living in Kill-a-Delphia.

And I spent my 20's on Social Security and Medicare... that aint no fun.

So no.

Wait...what? Lot's of explain' is needed.

You know I have a hunch about something and it would explain so much... I know of people that collect SSD and work under the table so they can skirt the system, and if that is what the person is doing, well they better hope they never get caught...