Are you opposed to "Zionism" and, if so, why please?

[Oddball]

The trouble you're having is by trying to fit thousands of years of Halachic Law into your narrow, sociologically-based definitions of what is, or is not, an ethnicity.

According to Jewish Law, if your born to a Jewish Mother, or a legitimate convert to Judaism, you are a Jew in perpetuity, as are your offspring to Jewish mother. If you are a Jew by Halachic Law, you are part of the Jewish Community, even if you choose not to participate.

Not a distinction based on race, or nationality, or blood, or even common belief.

You might have a hard time accepting the definition, but it has existed for thousands of years and seems to work just fine for us.

No, I'm having trouble shoehorning common usage of language into terms that are incompatible, in modern semantic meanings...George Orwell wrote books about that shit.

 

[K9Buck]

If there is a God, he most certainly is not a Zionists and Zionism is a sin. The sins of arrogance and pride.

Do you believe that the Nazis were correct to exterminate Jews?

 

[Rigby5]

Pussy

There is nothing more invigorating that the story of King Hezekiah being saved by God alone from the Assyrian army that far outmatched them

They simply all went to sleep and never woke back up

How do you fight that?

The Assyrians won in 780 BC and Israel has not really existed since then, until 1948.
In fact, the Israelis almost always lost.
The only time the won is against the peaceful Canaanites, and they Hebrew massacred every single Canaanite man, woman, and child even.

 

[K9Buck]

It is wrong to kill people.

Do you consider Jews to be people or do you consider them to be something inferior?

 

[Votto]

The Assyrians won in 780 BC and Israel has not really existed since then, until 1948.
In fact, the Israelis almost always lost.
The only time the won is against the peaceful Canaanites, and they Hebrew massacred every single Canaanite man, woman, and child even.

Correction, the Assyrians wiped away the Northern Kingdom, not the Southern Kingdom, unless you want to argue that the Southern kingdom kicked their arse. LOL. At that time, they were separate countries.

Babylon came later to finish off the Southern kingdom due to the wickedness of the Israeli people.

 

[fncceo]

No, I'm having trouble shoehorning common usage of language into terms that are incompatible, in modern semantic meanings...George Orwell wrote books about that shit.

If you're uncomfortable using the term ethnicity, I invite you to choose your own term that fits your definition.

However, Jews are more than comfortable with the definition we've been using for thousands of years, Edah -- which refers to the entire Jewish Community.

 

[fncceo]

If there is a God, he most certainly would not have a Chosen People

Sure he would ... he just wouldn't choose you.

 

[Votto]

It is wrong to kill people.
All that has to be done with Jews is prevent them from murdering others.

Erfurt massacre (1349) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wrong!

Here is a prime example, the Erfurt massacre in 1349. Once the Black plague hit Europe, everyone was dying....................except the Jews.

Funny thing, due to their Mosaic laws they did not live in filth, thus evaded the rat spreading disease.

So the people all came to the logical conclusion that they had made a deal with the devil and murdered them all.

 

[theHawk]

That is never possible, so instead what you end up with is rule by one group over all others, which never works.
It is always better to mix as many cultures as possible, to ensure the rule of law according to inherent rights of all individuals.

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Multiculturalism has failed miserably.

 

[Rigby5]

Again, come at him and we shall see just how fake God really is

So just the mere fact that this ancient religion, which is about the only one in existence that has survived over the years despite being persecuted unmercifully for centuries still exists, then miraculously gets their country back according to prophesy, has no impact on you?

Of course not

That's just pure insanity

Or how about when they do get their country back and immediately go to war with their neighbors who far out gun and out man them and still survive?

Still nothing?

You do not know history.
You say Judaism is about the only religion that has survived, and that is false.
Christianity if a reformation of Judaism because Judaism is awful and badly needed reformation.
Islam is also a reformation of Judaism, for the same reason.
And there are dozens of religions that survive, like Hindi, Zoroastrianism, Bahai, Confucianism, etc.

And Jews are not getting their country back.
They are stealing back one they stole before, and it was never theirs.
Nor was it a "miracle".
Truman created Israel by stealing half of Palestine.
And I think he did it because we wanted US Jews to move out of the US.

You are falling for the lies.
The Israelis always way out gunned the Arabs.
The US was just over WWII so had dozens of B-17s, P-51 Mustangs, hundreds of M-4 Sherman tanks, etc.
In comparison, the Arabs has a few outdated WWI armored cars, and that was all.

 

[Votto]

Sure he would ... he just wouldn't choose you.

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Here is the thing, God does not ask you who he chooses.

Just as Rahab.

All he requires is faith.

 

[Rigby5]

They kicked the crap out of the Egyptians in six days without much Murican support.

Unfortunately, in the Middle East (at least), might does make right.

Wrong.
The 1967 war was a sneak attack where the Israelis destroyed the entire Egyptian air force on the ground.
And again, entirely US weapons or French weapons bought by the US.

Might never makes right.

 

[Votto]

You do not know history.
You say Judaism is about the only religion that has survived, and that is false.
Christianity if a reformation of Judaism because Judaism is awful and badly needed reformation.
Islam is also a reformation of Judaism, for the same reason.
And there are dozens of religions that survive, like Hindi, Zoroastrianism, Bahai, Confucianism, etc.

And Jews are not getting their country back.
They are stealing back one they stole before, and it was never theirs.
Nor was it a "miracle".
Truman created Israel by stealing half of Palestine.
And I think he did it because we wanted US Jews to move out of the US.

You are falling for the lies.
The Israelis always way out gunned the Arabs.
The US was just over WWII so had dozens of B-17s, P-51 Mustangs, hundreds of M-4 Sherman tanks, etc.
In comparison, the Arabs has a few outdated WWI armored cars, and that was all.

What you said did not negate a thing I said

The Oldest Religions In The World

Many religions may be all but gone, but some of the most time-worn faiths are still around. Find out more about the oldest religions still practiced.

theculturetrip.com

Look at the 8 most ancient religions in the world from the above site. Judaism comes in 3rd, but I would argue that they are only counting the mass organized religion found in archeological digs and not those that came well before that.

Also, Hinduism, although considered to be the oldest due to historical record, is only practiced in one region in the world in mass.

All other major religions today come from one book, the Bible and is world wide.

So for a religion to be true, it would be a religion of the past and for today.

 

[fncceo]

The 1967 war was a sneak attack where the Israelis destroyed the entire Egyptian air force on the ground.

 

[Rigby5]

It appears your German History is as bad as all the rest of your History. During World War I, Palestine was a territory of the Ottoman Empire and they were allies of Germany.

Wrong.
During WWI the Allies were attacking the Ottoman empire, so the Turks had retreated out of Palestine.
The fact Palestine was not British did not stop them from making the Balfour Declaration in exchange for Jewish espionage against Germany.

 

[Votto]

Wrong.
The 1967 war was a sneak attack where the Israelis destroyed the entire Egyptian air force on the ground.
And again, entirely US weapons or French weapons bought by the US.

Might never makes right.

So how did they pull off a sneak attack?

CUZ THEY WERE MASSED AT THE BORDER TO STRIKE!

Even then, they were still outnumbered and outgunned from all surrounding adversaries and Egypt who was still more than up to the challenge.

 

[Rigby5]

Well let's see, never heard of country after country in Western Europe persecuting the Jews, even kicking them out of entire countries well before WW1 ever since the Romans ransacked their country and made the flee into Western Europe?

Everything that was done to the Jews in Nazi Germany had already been done to them in Western Europe courtesy of the Catholic church for over at least 10 centuries, like forcing them to live in ghettos, stealing their wealth and killing them, making them wear clothing to identify them for persecution, or just rounding them all up for sport and killing them. The only difference is, in Nazi Germany you had a war machine that made it much more efficient and deadly.

And yet here they are, still here and arguably one of the most powerful nations in the Middle East.

Propaganda.
The Romans did not invade and ransack Israel.
It was a roman possession and they had deliberately placed Jews as puppets to rule for them.

And the Jews did not flee to western Europe.
They went to Saudi Arabia, where they later became allies of Mohammed, in Medina.
It was the Jews who helped Mohammed beat the Meccans and caputure Mecca.

 

[Rigby5]

Do you believe that the Nazis were correct to exterminate Jews?

Of course not.
There were only a few leaders who were actual traitors.

 

[Votto]

Propaganda.
The Romans did not invade and ransack Israel.
It was a roman possession and they had deliberately placed Jews as puppets to rule for them.

And the Jews did not flee to western Europe.
They went to Saudi Arabia, where they later became allies of Mohammed, in Medina.
It was the Jews who helped Mohammed beat the Meccans and caputure Mecca.

Ok, so there were never Jews in Western Europe

Naturally you think the Holocaust was a hoax.

 

[Rigby5]

Erfurt massacre (1349) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wrong!

Here is a prime example, the Erfurt massacre in 1349. Once the Black plague hit Europe, everyone was dying....................except the Jews.

Funny thing, due to their Mosaic laws they did not live in filth, thus evaded the rat spreading disease.

So the people all came to the logical conclusion that they had made a deal with the devil and murdered them all.

Bringing up epidemic examples mean nothing, since obviously people do crazy things when scared.
Nor does it take many people to cause a riot.