Are the Palestinians a real people?

[Hollie]

RE: Are the Palestinians a real people?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

John Rawls, often described as the most important political philosopher of the 20th century, set ideas in motion that are the bedrock in the Principles of justice. This theory establishes two principles of justice from the original position.

◈ The first of these expresses, that 'Basic' liberty includes freedoms of conscience, association and expression as well as democratic rights.

◈ The second principle of equality sets the guarantee of liberties that represent meaningful options for all in society and ensure distributive justice.​

These insights approach and include a personal property right, slightly different from what is generally understood. It is defended in terms of "moral capacities" and "self-respect," rather than an appeal to a natural right (inherent rights) of self-ownership.

Nobody has to do something for people to exercise their rights.

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In his book, • A Theory of Justice • Rawls formulated a comprehensive theory of international politics with the publication of • The Law of Peoples.• He claimed there that "well-ordered" peoples could be either "liberal" or "decent". Rawls's basic distinction in international politics is that his preferred emphasis on a society of peoples is separate from the more conventional and historical discussion of international politics as based on relationships between states (as in the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States A/RES/25/2625).

You are correct. But only in the sense of "action: (See; Negative vs. Positive Rights)

◈ A negative right is a right not to be subjected to an action of another person or group; negative rights permit or oblige inaction.

◈ A positive right is a right to be subjected to an action or another person or group; positive rights permit or oblige action.​

In the discussion of "Rights" relative to the Question of Palestine, we have to be careful... "Negative and positive rights frequently conflict because carrying out the duties conferred by positive rights often entails infringing upon negative rights." (Globalization101 > Issues in Depth > Human Rights > Negative vs. Positive Rights) And the State of Israel will or will not take action based upon the best interest of Israel; just like most countries.

We've discussed this before when you raise these issues of "rights." IF Israel has effective control of territory (1967), before the Independence of the Arab Palestinian People (1988); and the Arab Palestinians demand that Israel relinquish its control over that territory in favor of the Arab Palestinian, THEN the Arab Palestinians are demanding and "action." But IF, as you say, "• Nobody has to do something for people to exercise their rights •" THEN the demand becomes contingent based on the outcome of an Arab Palestinian appeal to the Israels on the natural right (inherent rights) of self-ownership as determined by the Israelis.

Since it is the policy of the Arab Palestinian that armed conflict is the only viable solution, there is no likelihood that Israel will capitulate.


Most Respectfully,
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Palestinians have negative rights.

Indeed, a product of the situations they create?

 

[rylah]

Kafr ad Dik Town Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Rafat is a Palestinian village in the Salfit Governorate located 13 km west of Salfit City. It is bordered by Kafr ad Dik village to the east, Deir Ballut to the south, Kafr Qasem (of 1948 lands) to the west, and Az Zawiya town to the north (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Kafr ad Dik town is said to be named after a man called “Ad Dik” who is believed to have come from the Arabian Peninsula and lived in the Jordan Valley area for a period of time before he moved to the town and settled in it. Prior re to his arrival the region was called “Kafir Ben Muhanna.” The town was established in 1700 with its residents descending from Arab al Masa‟id tribe from the Arabian Peninsula (Kafr ad Dik Municipality, 2012).

Palestinian Society Applied Research Institute - Kafr ad Dik

 

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Kafr ad Dik Town Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Rafat is a Palestinian village in the Salfit Governorate located 13 km west of Salfit City. It is bordered by Kafr ad Dik village to the east, Deir Ballut to the south, Kafr Qasem (of 1948 lands) to the west, and Az Zawiya town to the north (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Kafr ad Dik town is said to be named after a man called “Ad Dik” who is believed to have come from the Arabian Peninsula and lived in the Jordan Valley area for a period of time before he moved to the town and settled in it. Prior re to his arrival the region was called “Kafir Ben Muhanna.” The town was established in 1700 with its residents descending from Arab al Masa‟id tribe from the Arabian Peninsula (Kafr ad Dik Municipality, 2012).

Palestinian Society Applied Research Institute - Kafr ad Dik

Of course. All the so-called Palestinians come from Arab countries. They are not Canaanites.

 

[rylah]

Kafr ad Dik Town Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Rafat is a Palestinian village in the Salfit Governorate located 13 km west of Salfit City. It is bordered by Kafr ad Dik village to the east, Deir Ballut to the south, Kafr Qasem (of 1948 lands) to the west, and Az Zawiya town to the north (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Kafr ad Dik town is said to be named after a man called “Ad Dik” who is believed to have come from the Arabian Peninsula and lived in the Jordan Valley area for a period of time before he moved to the town and settled in it. Prior re to his arrival the region was called “Kafir Ben Muhanna.” The town was established in 1700 with its residents descending from Arab al Masa‟id tribe from the Arabian Peninsula (Kafr ad Dik Municipality, 2012).

Palestinian Society Applied Research Institute - Kafr ad Dik

Of course. All the so-called Palestinians come from Arab countries. They are not Canaanites.

Canaanites themselves invaded from the land of Ham, Africans.

Abraham Avinu A"H and his family were a remanent of the Hebrew diaspora, there was an indigenous Hebrew civilization, that of the descendants of Shem in this land prior to that, with which the Canaanites themselves fused into to a certain degree. Therefore when Israel returned with Joshua A"H most of the kingdoms still spoke Hebrew and all the places bore Hebrew names.

Arabs themselves really don't hide their recent history of migration from Arabia and expansion of tribal boundaries through colonization.

 

[rylah]

Wonder who were identifying as Palestinians then,
and how come the Palestinians stand in opposition to Arabs...?

 

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[rylah]

Farkha Village Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Farkha is a Palestinian village in Salfit Governorate located 3.2 km west of Salfit City. It is bordered by Salfit city to the east and north, Qarawat Bani Zaid and Bani Zaid ash Sharqiya (in Ramallah Governorate) to the south, and Bruqin village to the west (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Farkha village was named after leading Arab scientist „Abdul Rahman bin Abdullah al Farkhawi‟, while “Al Farkh” literally means a chick or spear blade of wide teeth. The village was established 250 years ago (Farkha Village Council, 2012). Its residents however are descended from the Hijazi tribes (Ad Dabbagh, 1991).

Palestinian Society Applied Research Institute - Farkha village profile

 

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[rylah]

Salfit City Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Salfit city, which includes Khirbet Qeis (Qeis ruins) within its borders, is the only city in Salfit Governorate. It is bordered by Al Lubban ash Sharqiya (in Ramallah Governorate) and Iskaka to its east, Bani Zeid ash Sharqiya and „Ammuriyya (in Ramallah Governorate) to the south, Farkha and Bruqin villages to its west, and Haris, Kifl Haris and Marda villages to its north (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Salfit city is known for its cultivation of grape and fig vines and its ancient wine presses which are used in the present day. The word “Salfit” consists of two syllables; “Sal” meaning baskets and “Fit” meaning grapes. The city was established in the Canaanite era (15th century AD), with its residents descending from the Bani Nimra family, originating from East Jordan. The city is also home to members of the Al Hawatra family descending from the prophet Al Abbas. They left Al Hijaz in Saudi Arabia, travelled through to East Jordan, then moved to the neighboring village of Farkha before residing in Salfit city, which includes Khirbet Qeis locality (Salfit Municipality, 2012).

Palestinian Society Applied Research Institute - Salafit village profile
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Mahmoud Abbas the PA leader...

 

[rylah]

The Pan-Arab colors are black, white, green, and red. Individually, each of the four Pan-Arab colors were intended to represent a certain Arab dynasty, or era.[3] The black was the Abbasid dynastic color; white was the Umayyad dynastic color; green was the Fatimid dynastic color;[4] and red was the Hashemite dynastic color and also represented the Ottoman Empire.

Q.Which one of these Caliphates didn't invade?

 

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[rylah]

Hamas Official: "There are no Palestinian people.
We are Egyptian and Saudis"

Have the Arab in Israel (so called "palestinians") managed to fool you to believe they are Natives in the land of Israel ?

And why they are so intimidated by History and facts ?

In a temper tantrum he could not keep his mouth shut but had to blurt out the truth: that the "Palestinian" people are a fabrication, an invention. There never existed a state called Palestine or a people called Palestinian. And there never existed an invasion of Palestinian land over a territory that belonged to the Jews over 1,000 years before Mohammed was even born.

The Palestine-Israeli conflict is about hate. Jew hate. In fact, it's about 1,400 years of antisemitism created by the Arabs. The Muslim faith demands that Muslims must hate jews and must dedicate themselves to kill Jews.

This deliberate effort to ethnic cleansing of the Jews by propaganda and lies have even been spread to the West by Arab money, and deliberate Arab propaganda put into our schools and media signed via the Cairo declaration that allowed Arabs to create a "positive impression" of Palestine to the West. Prior from this we were free from this propaganda.

The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine and invaded the land after 1917, from neighboring Arab countries, predominantly from areas now known as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.

 

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[P F Tinmore]

Israeli bullshit, of course.

Alhambra Cinema - Jaffa - 1937, flying Palestinian flag

 

[rylah]

Israeli bullshit, of course.

Alhambra Cinema - Jaffa - 1937, flying Palestinian flag

That's a flag of the Arab Federation and the Arabian Kingdom of Hejaz in 1920.
Even the flag is of another Arab country...says it all.

Q. So what does it tell us when people march under the flags of foreign countries?

 

[Coyote]

It is amazing how hard people will work to delegitimize a people. It seems to be quite often the product of a lot of hatred and bigotry.

All people start somewhere at some time.

Just like the Palestinians need to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, the Israeli's need to acknowledge the right of the Palestinian people to exist. As a people.

 

[rylah]

It is amazing how hard people will work to delegitimize a people. It seems to be quite often the product of a lot of hatred and bigotry.

All people start somewhere at some time.

Just like the Palestinians need to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, the Israeli's need to acknowledge the right of the Palestinian people to exist. As a people.

Hard work?
It's all in plain sight, Arabs with their useful idiot make most of the job anyway.

Face it, being a pro-Palestinian puts one into a position of inevitable embarrassment.
Being forced to defend a story based on boldly ridiculous lies, when facing simple facts that entirely ruin the whole charade, you're left to reserve to outright denial and logical fallacies, trying to look smart.

 

[Coyote]

It is amazing how hard people will work to delegitimize a people. It seems to be quite often the product of a lot of hatred and bigotry.

All people start somewhere at some time.

Just like the Palestinians need to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, the Israeli's need to acknowledge the right of the Palestinian people to exist. As a people.

Hard work?
It's all in plain sight, and Arabs are doing most of the job on their own

Face it, the 'Palestinian charade' puts its supporters in such an embarrassing position,
in which they are left to defend a narrative fundamentally based on ridiculously bold lies for the weak minded, that are easily destroyed by simple facts in plain sight.

Reserving to denial and logical fallacies might save you some face,
but it won't make the inconvenient facts go away.

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As usual, trolling a thread that makes you look stupid because you don't like the facts.
Have I hurt your Jihadi feelings?