Are the Palestinians a real people?

[rylah]

It is amazing how hard people will work to delegitimize a people. It seems to be quite often the product of a lot of hatred and bigotry.

All people start somewhere at some time.

Just like the Palestinians need to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, the Israeli's need to acknowledge the right of the Palestinian people to exist. As a people.

Hard work?
It's all in plain sight, and Arabs are doing most of the job on their own

Face it, the 'Palestinian charade' puts its supporters in such an embarrassing position,
in which they are left to defend a narrative fundamentally based on ridiculously bold lies for the weak minded, that are easily destroyed by simple facts in plain sight.

Reserving to denial and logical fallacies might save you some face,
but it won't make the inconvenient facts go away.

View attachment 299429

As usual, trolling a thread that makes you look stupid because you don't like the facts.
Have I hurt your Jihadi feelings?

View attachment 299513

That's the problem with your attitude - you deal with opinions rather than facts.
Then come Arabs and reveal how easy it is to fool useful idiots like you.

 

[rylah]

Ask Halawa: Did an Arab Palestine Exist?

 

[Coyote]

It is amazing how hard people will work to delegitimize a people. It seems to be quite often the product of a lot of hatred and bigotry.

All people start somewhere at some time.

Just like the Palestinians need to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, the Israeli's need to acknowledge the right of the Palestinian people to exist. As a people.

Hard work?
It's all in plain sight, and Arabs are doing most of the job on their own

Face it, the 'Palestinian charade' puts its supporters in such an embarrassing position,
in which they are left to defend a narrative fundamentally based on ridiculously bold lies for the weak minded, that are easily destroyed by simple facts in plain sight.

Reserving to denial and logical fallacies might save you some face,
but it won't make the inconvenient facts go away.

View attachment 299429

As usual, trolling a thread that makes you look stupid because you don't like the facts.
Have I hurt your Jihadi feelings?

View attachment 299513

That's the problem with your attitude - you deal with opinions rather than facts.
Then come Arabs and reveal how easy it is to fool useful idiots like you.

Opinions huh...like the meme you posted multiple times that Obama is a Muslim. Dude..,your bias is showing not to mention your utter lack of integrity

What exact span of time is required for a people to be acknowledged as a people?

You work sooo hard to disenfranchise the Palestinians....it is obsessive.

Maybe memes are better suited to your level of discourse.

 

[rylah]

Hard work?
It's all in plain sight, and Arabs are doing most of the job on their own

Face it, the 'Palestinian charade' puts its supporters in such an embarrassing position,
in which they are left to defend a narrative fundamentally based on ridiculously bold lies for the weak minded, that are easily destroyed by simple facts in plain sight.

Reserving to denial and logical fallacies might save you some face,
but it won't make the inconvenient facts go away.

View attachment 299429

As usual, trolling a thread that makes you look stupid because you don't like the facts.
Have I hurt your Jihadi feelings?

View attachment 299513

That's the problem with your attitude - you deal with opinions rather than facts.
Then come Arabs and reveal how easy it is to fool useful idiots like you.

Opinions huh...like the meme you posted multiple times that Obama is a Muslim. Dude..,your bias is showing not to mention your utter lack of integrity

What exact span of time is required for a people to be acknowledged as a people?

You work sooo hard to disenfranchise the Palestinians....it is obsessive.

Maybe memes are better suited to your level of discourse.

I don't know,
how about we start at the 500 year mark,
AFTER the impostors learned to actually pronounce the name of the land they claim is theirs?

Pretty difficult to take you idiots seriously ...say with me "Bhaaalestine!"

 

[rylah]

As usual, trolling a thread that makes you look stupid because you don't like the facts.
Have I hurt your Jihadi feelings?

View attachment 299513

That's the problem with your attitude - you deal with opinions rather than facts.
Then come Arabs and reveal how easy it is to fool useful idiots like you.

Opinions huh...like the meme you posted multiple times that Obama is a Muslim. Dude..,your bias is showing not to mention your utter lack of integrity

What exact span of time is required for a people to be acknowledged as a people?

You work sooo hard to disenfranchise the Palestinians....it is obsessive.

Maybe memes are better suited to your level of discourse.

I don't know,
how about we start at the 500 year mark,
AFTER the impostors learned to actually pronounce the name of the land they claim is theirs?

Pretty difficult to take you idiots seriously ...say with me "Bhaaalestine!"

View attachment 299774

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

 

[Coyote]

View attachment 299513

That's the problem with your attitude - you deal with opinions rather than facts.
Then come Arabs and reveal how easy it is to fool useful idiots like you.

Opinions huh...like the meme you posted multiple times that Obama is a Muslim. Dude..,your bias is showing not to mention your utter lack of integrity

What exact span of time is required for a people to be acknowledged as a people?

You work sooo hard to disenfranchise the Palestinians....it is obsessive.

Maybe memes are better suited to your level of discourse.

I don't know,
how about we start at the 500 year mark,
AFTER the impostors learned to actually pronounce the name of the land they claim is theirs?

Pretty difficult to take you idiots seriously ...say with me "Bhaaalestine!"

View attachment 299774

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

 

[rylah]

That's the problem with your attitude - you deal with opinions rather than facts.
Then come Arabs and reveal how easy it is to fool useful idiots like you.

Opinions huh...like the meme you posted multiple times that Obama is a Muslim. Dude..,your bias is showing not to mention your utter lack of integrity

What exact span of time is required for a people to be acknowledged as a people?

You work sooo hard to disenfranchise the Palestinians....it is obsessive.

Maybe memes are better suited to your level of discourse.

I don't know,
how about we start at the 500 year mark,
AFTER the impostors learned to actually pronounce the name of the land they claim is theirs?

Pretty difficult to take you idiots seriously ...say with me "Bhaaalestine!"

View attachment 299774

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just boldly lying.
Are you actually capable of addressing any of the facts I've posted?

 

[Coyote]

Opinions huh...like the meme you posted multiple times that Obama is a Muslim. Dude..,your bias is showing not to mention your utter lack of integrity

What exact span of time is required for a people to be acknowledged as a people?

You work sooo hard to disenfranchise the Palestinians....it is obsessive.

Maybe memes are better suited to your level of discourse.

I don't know,
how about we start at the 500 year mark,
AFTER the impostors learned to actually pronounce the name of the land they claim is theirs?

Pretty difficult to take you idiots seriously ...say with me "Bhaaalestine!"

View attachment 299774

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted your own trolling memes (while getting outraged when responded to in kind), and you made a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

 

[rylah]

I don't know,
how about we start at the 500 year mark,
AFTER the impostors learned to actually pronounce the name of the land they claim is theirs?

Pretty difficult to take you idiots seriously ...say with me "Bhaaalestine!"

View attachment 299774

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted trolling memes, and a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

Indeed, it's pretty bizarre for Arabs to claim a land
the name of which they can't even pronounce properly...

Let me suggest you start donating lessons, so they play the role better,
who knows maybe then you'll look less like a complete idiot:

Helping Arabic speakers with /p/ and /b/ sounds

 

[Coyote]

View attachment 299774

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted trolling memes, and a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

Indeed, it's pretty bizarre for Arabs to claim a land
the name of which they can't even pronounce properly...

Let me suggest you start donating lessons, so the play the role better,
and you don't look like a complete idiot:

Helping Arabic speakers with /p/ and /b/ sounds

You are simply repeating a talking point (debunked by another member in another thread) that has no merit in determining whether or not a people is "real" nor does it answer why you are obsessed over it.

 

[Shusha]

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

Its not about years. Its about definitions.

 

[rylah]

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted trolling memes, and a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

Indeed, it's pretty bizarre for Arabs to claim a land
the name of which they can't even pronounce properly...

Let me suggest you start donating lessons, so the play the role better,
and you don't look like a complete idiot:

Helping Arabic speakers with /p/ and /b/ sounds

You are simply repeating a talking point (debunked by another member in another thread) that has no merit in determining whether or not a people is "real" nor does it answer why you are obsessed over it.

You keep repeating"debunked" but can't provide any contrary facts.
What are you running from? Looking even more stupid?

Please show me the letter 'P' in the Arabic alphabet.
Arabs can't, you can't, and they don't even know what the name "Palestine" means,
yet claim it's..."theirs".

I bet they can't stop laughing seeing how you degenerates buy into what even their goats wouldn't take seriously.

 

[flacaltenn]

Why do you need to deny Palestinians their identity in order to support Jewish rights?

Its NOT their identity to speak Arabic, wear keffiya and hijab, eat hummus and shwarma, celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son?

It's not.

Seems to me ForeverYoung436 was accepting Arab Palestinian identity, rather than denying it.

You consider the words "like in 21 other countries" as support of Palestinian identity? OK...

I’m pretty sure you missed my point and my sarcasm here.

Arab Palestinian identity IS Arab.

OK
So, Palestinian Arabs have no special identity? But you insist that they have special rights, even national rights.

Although you asked this of Shusha, I'll give my own answer until she gives hers. They have no special identity, but they happen to live in the Land, unfortunately. So if they agree to share it, I'd be willing to let them have their own national rights. If they want to take over all of it, then not.

This whole thing got off to a slow start... Of course Palestinian ORIGINS are Arab.. Maybe even the Christian Palestinians... The entire Arab world is organized by familial lines and tribes... THAT'S what matters... But then again, like the Kurds, those familial lines and tribes get dispersed by boundary lines being redrawn by Western powers sipping tea....

I forgot the 3rd most important organization of Arabs in the Middle East and that is WHERE the tribes and family descendents came from.. This is reflected in the NAMING of each of their people..

IRONICALLY, the Jews claim as a people has the 1st two characteristics of tribe and family but not the locality...

Because of displacement and diaspora, this association was severely damaged... But nonetheless the claim to "being a people" of the Middle East is much the same for Jews and Arabs..

So asking if the Palestinians are "a people" doesn't seem to have any bearing on their claim to any particular locality.. And I don't really understand the IMPORTANCE of determining if they are a "unified homogenous people...

Many of the governance problems that the Palestinian have now and continually had since antiquity are based on differences in family lines and tribes and locations.. Today, there is still not a unified, cross-tribal alliance.. The Pali city centers don't cooperate very well with one another.. And the sad endings of their attempts to unify and work together have been evident time and time again...

I THINK what matters is some Arab tribes chose to live in the Holy Land long ago and THOSE folks are actual "Palestinians".. But all the people laying CLAIM to Israel as Palestine are not direct descendents of those original Arab settlers...

Maybe someone who KNOWS the tribal origins of the majority tribal and familial lines in the majority of Palestine could figure out WHO has a "locality" claim to the land.. But there are no deeds or records that are gonna resolve anything that way...

 

[Shusha]

IRONICALLY, the Jews claim as a people has the 1st two characteristics of tribe and family but not the locality...

I pretty strongly disagree with you about the locality. You seem to be arguing that if a family or tribe is forcibly displaced from their locality that they all claim to that locality, while also saying that a return to that locality does not reclaim that locality.

The Jewish people's locality to that land is impossible to dispute.

 

[Coyote]

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted trolling memes, and a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

Indeed, it's pretty bizarre for Arabs to claim a land
the name of which they can't even pronounce properly...

Let me suggest you start donating lessons, so the play the role better,
and you don't look like a complete idiot:

Helping Arabic speakers with /p/ and /b/ sounds

You are simply repeating a talking point (debunked by another member in another thread) that has no merit in determining whether or not a people is "real" nor does it answer why you are obsessed over it.

You keep repeating"debunked" but can't provide any contrary facts.
What are you running from? Looking even more stupid?

Please show me the letter 'P' in the Arabic alphabet.
Arabs can't, you can't, and they don't even know what the name "Palestine" means,
yet claim it's..."theirs".

I bet they can't stop laughing seeing how you degenerates buy into what even their goats wouldn't take seriously.

Please, show how that semantical magic you keep waving around makes them not a people.

 

[Coyote]

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

Its not about years. Its about definitions.

Apparently it is about years.

 

[Coyote]

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted trolling memes, and a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

Indeed, it's pretty bizarre for Arabs to claim a land
the name of which they can't even pronounce properly...

Let me suggest you start donating lessons, so the play the role better,
and you don't look like a complete idiot:

Helping Arabic speakers with /p/ and /b/ sounds

You are simply repeating a talking point (debunked by another member in another thread) that has no merit in determining whether or not a people is "real" nor does it answer why you are obsessed over it.

You keep repeating"debunked" but can't provide any contrary facts.
What are you running from? Looking even more stupid?

Please show me the letter 'P' in the Arabic alphabet.
Arabs can't, you can't, and they don't even know what the name "Palestine" means,
yet claim it's..."theirs".

I bet they can't stop laughing seeing how you degenerates buy into what even their goats wouldn't take seriously.

So...let’s get this straight, if we support the right of the Palestinians to identify as a people, just like any other people have the right to...we are the “degenerates”.

Deja’s vous...what does that remind of...oh ya, those that deny Jews their rights to identify as a people.

I am going to ask this again but I expect the answer will be another deflection. Why is it so important for to insist the Palestinians are not a real people that you must create thread after thread about it and derail other threads with it “You” being a general “you” not you specifically.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Reason is when you can't address the inconvenient facts,
and instead troll away with funnies in embarrassment?

If you consider responding via memes to be "trolling" I suggest you monitor your own content. Just saying.

You are intent on insisting that the Palestinians aren't a "real people". When someone does that, and works SOOOO hard at it, I always wonder what their REAL agenda is?

What's the magical number of years when a people can finally be acknowledged to be a people?

My guess is, if they aren't a "real people" it's easy for "real people" like YOU to force then out, or, as you once put it - make them "guests" (read dhimmis" ) of "your nation" rather than citizens.

Is that why it is of the utmost importance to insist they aren't real?

Now go back to your trolling and irrational claims

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted trolling memes, and a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

Indeed, it's pretty bizarre for Arabs to claim a land
the name of which they can't even pronounce properly...

Let me suggest you start donating lessons, so the play the role better,
and you don't look like a complete idiot:

Helping Arabic speakers with /p/ and /b/ sounds

You are simply repeating a talking point (debunked by another member in another thread) that has no merit in determining whether or not a people is "real" nor does it answer why you are obsessed over it.

Actually, that other member thought he debunked rylah's point, but he really didn't. He equated the name of America with the name of Palestine. There are many differences between these 2 cases:

1) Americans have no problem pronouncing "America."
2) America is actually the name of a continent, not a country. The United States is the name of the country.
3) America is not a foreign word, but is rather just a name. "Amerigo" was one of the explorers who discovered the continent. "Palestine", on the other hand, is taken from a foreign word to the Arabs, and it means "invaders," of all things. Thus, they are calling themselves invaders, which is quite appropriate.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Now you're just projecting and boldly lying.
Are you capable of posting or addressing facts?

You haven't provided any. You've just posted trolling memes, and a bizarre claim that they some how can't be a "real people" because they can't pronounce "p" and that debunked semantical argument somehow bolsters your claim.

Why insist they aren't a real people? Why is that so obessively important to you? You are like the people who can't bring themselves to acknowledge the right of Jews to the place. No difference.

Instead of arguing over whether or not they are a "real" people - they are now, they are here now and they aren't going away just to make it more convenient for you. Just like Israel is an established nation and is not going to go away to make it convenient to to its detractors.

They are both real and here to stay, so why is it so important to argue about whether or not Palestinians a "real" people that we have thread after thread devoted to it?

Indeed, it's pretty bizarre for Arabs to claim a land
the name of which they can't even pronounce properly...

Let me suggest you start donating lessons, so the play the role better,
and you don't look like a complete idiot:

Helping Arabic speakers with /p/ and /b/ sounds

You are simply repeating a talking point (debunked by another member in another thread) that has no merit in determining whether or not a people is "real" nor does it answer why you are obsessed over it.

You keep repeating"debunked" but can't provide any contrary facts.
What are you running from? Looking even more stupid?

Please show me the letter 'P' in the Arabic alphabet.
Arabs can't, you can't, and they don't even know what the name "Palestine" means,
yet claim it's..."theirs".

I bet they can't stop laughing seeing how you degenerates buy into what even their goats wouldn't take seriously.

So...let’s get this straight, if we support the right of the Palestinians to identify as a people, just like any other people have the right to...we are the “degenerates”.

Deja’s vous...what does that remind of...oh ya, those that deny Jews their rights to identify as a people.

I am going to ask this again but I expect the answer will be another deflection. Why is it so important for to insist the Palestinians are not a real people that you must create thread after thread about it and derail other threads with it “You” being a general “you” not you specifically.

It is your refusal to acknowledge that they were invented with a specific propaganda objective in mind that is the issue here. Your unwillingness to argue based upon that which is factual reveals your agenda.

I know I have explained this to you at least 5 or 6 times in the past, yet you cling to your dishonesty. The creation of this heretofore unknown group called "Palestinian" in the middle of the 20th century was a ruse aimed at inversing world perception in regards to power dynamics and thus elicit support from useful idiots on the left with a reflexive need to support the underdog.

Before the cynical invention of this new group, the world understood this as a struggle between Arabs and Jews. In fact there is a letter by King Abdullah published in 1947 called "as the Arabs see the Jews" that contained the usual laundry list of Arab complaints, but not so much as one single mention of a Palestinian people. There is a reason for that -- they had not been invented yet.

When one understands the conflict as being between Arab and Jew, it is easy to see all the vast amount of land under Arab control, and all the vast resources they have. An honest person (which you are not) can also note that 900000 Jews were purged from Arab lands quite forcefully as a reaction to the 700000 Arabs who left Israel -- most of whom did so by choice.

The invention of this new group was just a cynical attempt at creating the notion that Arabs were the David in this struggle and Jews the Goliath so to get stupid people to support them. They are just Arabs, however, less different from other Arabs than Texans are to New Yorkers. Their invention lies in propaganda and nothing more.

 

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IRONICALLY, the Jews claim as a people has the 1st two characteristics of tribe and family but not the locality...

I pretty strongly disagree with you about the locality. You seem to be arguing that if a family or tribe is forcibly displaced from their locality that they all claim to that locality, while also saying that a return to that locality does not reclaim that locality.

The Jewish people's locality to that land is impossible to dispute.

Maybe the Jewish claim to that locality is a bit stronger.. Because of biblical history.. And because ALL the tribes of Israel had a more CENTRAL alliance than Arab tribes and peoples and a more uniform religious hierarchy over history... But "being a people" isn't a measure of claims to land.. The term Palestinians is more like the term Native American... It's an indigenous thing that doesn't tie the tribes together at all... And like most other buzzwords, it's been abused to include folks that simply declare themselves Palestinian.. Much like the idea of me declaring to be a "non-binary, disabled Black man" for a couple months.... Sounds cool...

And Yes.. The tracing of roots to locality is immutable when that is IMPORTANT to "a people"... That's what I'm saying.. But you cannot simply exercise that right at will. It takes world recognition and law to make that happen..

Palis would have SUCCEEDED at that by now IF they could unify enough to have REPRESENTATION that would prosecute the case for a "tribal homeland"... They've failed repeatedly to do that...

That's why I also say that Zionism was not an evil thing.. It's purpose WAS to make the case for a return to that locality.. And it was a fairly unified and recognized delegate by the MAJORITY of Jewish people.. SOMEONE has to speak for the cause... And it's not yahoos like Arafat or Hamas or "bleeding heart" Americans who simply DEMAND on behalf of the Palestinians...