Are the numerous dog breeds proof of evolution?

[scruffy]

the claim that one species evolved into 2 or more different species is an unproven claim that has no basis for being true, no evidence exists to support it

No, you see, the problem is that a bithorax fruit fly can't mate with an ordinary fruit fly. You have to get two mutations of the same kind at the same time, then they can mate with each other and start a new species. I'm not sure, maybe they can do it with CRISPR these days, I'll have to check. (I'm sure they have better things to do though, than proving the obvious).

 

[Stann]

Numerous dog breeds aren't "proof of evolution".

They ARE evolution.

Cumulative, slight changes leading to differences in the genome and in gene expression.

Take one of those breeds and isolate it for 10 million years. You will get something that qualifies as a new species.

Different breeds are not evolution just breeding. All dogs can mate with one another. When they can no longer do.thay in hundreds of thousands of years they will have become different species and that would be evolution.

 

[Stann]

the claim that one species evolved into 2 or more different species is an unproven claim that has no basis for being true, no evidence exists to support it

There were 14 different species of giant tortoises. They evolved from 1 ancestor over the last 2 -3 million years. That's evolution.

 

[JoeMoma]

Meh... not an expert on canines. "Probably", but I can't say for sure. Not sure how you'd measure doggie IQ in the first place.

 

[Mushroom]

All dogs can mate with one another.

Here is something that should be understood.

All "dogs" can mate with one another, but not all canines can mate with one another.

Because foxes are canines, but they can not breed with wolves, coyotes, or "dogs".

 

[Stann]

Here is something that should be understood.

All "dogs" can mate with one another, but not all canines can mate with one another.

Because foxes are canines, but they can not breed with wolves, coyotes, or "dogs".

Correct , different species on the same family tree.

 

[Unkotare]

Is this really an argument about dog IQ? Kinda says something about the humans...

 

[Mushroom]

Correct , different species on the same family tree.

Is all related to when they branched off.

Dogs split from wolves around 30,000 years ago (they are quite literally "Domesticated Wolves"). Wolves and Coyotes split around 900,000 years ago.

Foxes split from the canines that would become wolves around 7 million years ago.

 

[Stann]

Is this really an argument about dog IQ? Kinda says something about the humans...

Correct , humans aren't as smart as we think we are. .Stumbling along in the physical universe.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here is something that should be understood.

All "dogs" can mate with one another, but not all canines can mate with one another.

Because foxes are canines, but they can not breed with wolves, coyotes, or "dogs".

My daughter would kill me if I didn't correct you. Foxes are technically not canines. They are Canidae.

My daughter is an expert in canines, hyenas and foxes.

 

[Stann]

My daughter would kill me if I didn't correct you. Foxes are technically not canines. They are Canidae.

My daughter is an expert in canines, hyenas and foxes.

I believe canine and candidate are interchangeable. One is a genera , the other a family grouping.

 

[sealybobo]

Meh... not an expert on canines. "Probably", but I can't say for sure. Not sure how you'd measure doggie IQ in the first place.

That's easy. How many commands can they learn.

Border Collie
Known for their problem-solving skills, agility, and obedience, Border Collies are often at the top of lists of the smartest dog breeds. They can learn new commands in under five seconds and follow them 95% of the time.
Exceptionally smart and active, Poodles were bred to retrieve things from water

I'll give you this. I found

Research on Dog Intelligence is Not Perfect​

As it turns out, some of the research done to determine the most intelligent or dumbest dog breeds might not be entirely accurate.

The Afghan Hound tops the list of “dumbest dog breeds” according to The Intelligence of Dogs

 

[Stann]

That's easy. How many commands can they learn.

Border Collie
Known for their problem-solving skills, agility, and obedience, Border Collies are often at the top of lists of the smartest dog breeds. They can learn new commands in under five seconds and follow them 95% of the time.
Exceptionally smart and active, Poodles were bred to retrieve things from water

I'll give you this. I found

Research on Dog Intelligence is Not Perfect​

As it turns out, some of the research done to determine the most intelligent or dumbest dog breeds might not be entirely accurate.

The Afghan Hound tops the list of “dumbest dog breeds” according to The Intelligence of Dogs
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My closest neighbor has an Australian sheep dog. It is very smart. Loves chasing balls. If the ball gets in a precarious situation the dog will figure it out and retrieve it himself or stay there and bark at it until the owner gets it.

 

[JoeMoma]

 

[Unkotare]

All living things communicate. Only humans use language.

 

[Stann]

All living things communicate. Only humans use language.

Dolphins use of clicks and whistles is very complex , so much so it is considered a language. Whales ? Non-verbal languages. We might be the stupid species since we can't tell what every other species are saying. Dogs and cats seem to understand one another quite well. Birds. Etc.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Different breeds are not evolution just breeding.

That's still evolution, i would say. Selection pressure changes the genome and gene expression.

One might say it's not "natural". But human beings are natural.

 

[Stann]

One might say it's not "natural". But human beings are natural.

Are we ? Human concepts have and always will influence our evolution. Simple concepts such as race and religious ideas have altered us far more than we could ever realize. Imagine if Nazi Germany had been successful in their endeavor for world domination
Remember their quest for the ideal race , the genetic experiments and their attempts to wipe out what they considered as imperfections. Talk about Brave New World.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Are we ?

Just as natural as any dog.

Human concepts arose from nature, too.

 

[Unkotare]

Dolphins use of clicks and whistles is very complex , so much so it is considered a language. ...

Nope.