Are the numerous dog breeds proof of evolution?

[zaangalewa]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

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Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

 

[Dusty]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

 

[zaangalewa]

I don't have a science background and don't know much about evolution but I believe the answer to my question is YES. What say you? Here's an article that delves into the topic.

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

Only to make something clear. You are able to see with your own eyes in nature that wolves and dogs are different entities. Wolves do not bark for example. They are not able to interpret the behavior of human beings - dogs are able to do so. But you ignore all this differencens because you "measure" what your are not really able ot measure. "99.9% same DNA" is an empty phrase - nothing else. So what for heavens sake do you call "science"?

 

[Dusty]

I don't have a science background and don't know much about evolution but I believe the answer to my question is YES. What say you? Here's an article that delves into the topic.

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

Only to make something clear. You are able to see with your own eyes in nature that wolves and dogs are different entities. Wolves do not bark for example. They are not able to interpret the behavior of human beings - dogs are able to do so. But you ignore all this differencens because you "measure" what your are not really able ot measure. "99.9% same DNA" is an empty phrase - nothing else. So what for heavens sake do you call "science"?

Dogs and wolves share 99.9 percent of their DNA, they can interbreed BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES. This is not up for discussion, and wolves do bark, growl, whimper and howl just as dogs do

 

[Cecilie1200]

I don't have a science background and don't know much about evolution but I believe the answer to my question is YES. What say you? Here's an article that delves into the topic.

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Yes - you are right. We use "evolution" since thousands of years and call it "selective breeding" for example. We saw thousands of years ago what nature is doing and copied this system for our own use. Our dogs fit to the world which we created.

The difference between this what we are doing and what mother nature is doing is clear if we suddenly would disappear and left back alone our dogs. Which dogs would fit into this new world? For sure not the maltese dogs for example. Maltese have problems with their size, their teeth, their legs and their natural coat - if they would know how to hunt, to kill and to eat at all. They would not "fit". And in case of the Maltese would not happen any "adaptation". They all would die out. No way to survive. Nevertheless some few dogs form other dog races could fit to this new natural world and could be able to survive.

Oh by the way - not to forget: In our world here Maltese dogs are very important lovely dogs. The word "Maltese" means somehow that this dogs have to do with harbors. How this fits? Who knows?

For the record, the name "Maltese" is in reference to the isle of Malta in the Mediterranean, although it's believed the breed most likely didn't originate there. They are one of the many breeds of dogs created primarily for the purpose of human companionship, and the breed is so old that no one really knows their origin.

Fun fact: the Maltese is a hypoallergenic dog, because they have hair similar to a human's rather than having fur, and thus do not produce the dander that is so bothersome to allergy sufferers.

 

[Cecilie1200]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

To be specific, dogs and wolves are two different sub-species. They can interbreed, but they are genetically different enough to not be viewed scientifically as the same thing.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

To be specific, dogs and wolves are two different sub-species. They can interbreed, but they are genetically different enough to not be viewed scientifically as the same thing.

Yep. In fact, they are now viewed as seperate species

Canis Lupus
Canis Familiaris

 

[Dusty]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

To be specific, dogs and wolves are two different sub-species. They can interbreed, but they are genetically different enough to not be viewed scientifically as the same thing.

Yep. In fact, they are now viewed as seperate species

Canis Lupus
Canis Familiaris

Wrong again

But, by those standards, dogs and gray wolves (Canis lupus) are also the same species, as the two share most of the same genes. There's still debate about whether to call dogs Canis lupus familiaris, suggesting that they are a subspecies of the wolf, or Canis familiaris, a distinct species from the wolf, Tseng said.

Despite their similar genes, the two do have some different gene variants, known as alleles. For instance, a variant of the gene IGF1 is associated with body size. One IGF1 variant is linked to small body size in dogs, but it's not found in wolf populations, according to a 2010 study published in the journal BMC Biology.

Another clue that all types of dogs are the same species is that they can reproduce with one another. Technically, different dog breeds can have puppies together, although Tseng said he is "not aware of actual examples where people have tried to cross dog breeds that are dramatically different in size — imagine [a] Great Dane and [a] Chihuahua."

However, domestic dogs can also breed successfully with wolves — a fact that supports the idea of classifying dogs in the same species as wolves, Tseng said.

The simple fact is that if dogs were a different species than wolves that they could not interbreed, since they can and have viable offspring they are clearly the same species. That is how genetics works, not that your poor genetics will ever know

 

[Cecilie1200]

I don't have a science background and don't know much about evolution but I believe the answer to my question is YES. What say you? Here's an article that delves into the topic.

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

Only to make something clear. You are able to see with your own eyes in nature that wolves and dogs are different entities. Wolves do not bark for example. They are not able to interpret the behavior of human beings - dogs are able to do so. But you ignore all this differencens because you "measure" what your are not really able ot measure. "99.9% same DNA" is an empty phrase - nothing else. So what for heavens sake do you call "science"?

Dogs and wolves share 99.9 percent of their DNA, they can interbreed BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES. This is not up for discussion, and wolves do bark, growl, whimper and howl just as dogs do

Human share 98.8% of our DNA with chimpanzees. Are we the same species?

 

[Dusty]

I don't have a science background and don't know much about evolution but I believe the answer to my question is YES. What say you? Here's an article that delves into the topic.

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

Only to make something clear. You are able to see with your own eyes in nature that wolves and dogs are different entities. Wolves do not bark for example. They are not able to interpret the behavior of human beings - dogs are able to do so. But you ignore all this differencens because you "measure" what your are not really able ot measure. "99.9% same DNA" is an empty phrase - nothing else. So what for heavens sake do you call "science"?

Dogs and wolves share 99.9 percent of their DNA, they can interbreed BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES. This is not up for discussion, and wolves do bark, growl, whimper and howl just as dogs do

Human share 98.8% of our DNA with chimpanzees. Are we the same species?

Humans can not interbreed with chimps and have viable offspring. On the other hand if my German shorthairs mated with a wolf the offspring would be healthy and successful hunters.

So try again little one, you may ask your mommy for help

 

[Cecilie1200]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

To be specific, dogs and wolves are two different sub-species. They can interbreed, but they are genetically different enough to not be viewed scientifically as the same thing.

Yep. In fact, they are now viewed as seperate species

Canis Lupus
Canis Familiaris

Genetic mapping indicates that the domestic dog is probably a descendant of a now-extinct descendant of the grey wolf. The debate still goes on as to whether dogs should be considered a sub-species of the grey wolf, or a separate species of their own.

 

[Dusty]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

To be specific, dogs and wolves are two different sub-species. They can interbreed, but they are genetically different enough to not be viewed scientifically as the same thing.

Yep. In fact, they are now viewed as seperate species

Canis Lupus
Canis Familiaris

Genetic mapping indicates that the domestic dog is probably a descendant of a now-extinct descendant of the grey wolf. The debate still goes on as to whether dogs should be considered a sub-species of the grey wolf, or a separate species of their own.

That is bullshit, the domestic dog shares 99.9 percent of genes with wolves living today. Furthermore there is no mystical wolf species that went extinct as they are really the wild wolves of today

 

[Cecilie1200]

I don't have a science background and don't know much about evolution but I believe the answer to my question is YES. What say you? Here's an article that delves into the topic.

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

Only to make something clear. You are able to see with your own eyes in nature that wolves and dogs are different entities. Wolves do not bark for example. They are not able to interpret the behavior of human beings - dogs are able to do so. But you ignore all this differencens because you "measure" what your are not really able ot measure. "99.9% same DNA" is an empty phrase - nothing else. So what for heavens sake do you call "science"?

Dogs and wolves share 99.9 percent of their DNA, they can interbreed BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES. This is not up for discussion, and wolves do bark, growl, whimper and howl just as dogs do

Human share 98.8% of our DNA with chimpanzees. Are we the same species?

Humans can not interbreed with chimps and have viable offspring. On the other hand if my German shorthairs mated with a wolf the offspring would be healthy and successful hunters.

So try again little one, you may ask your mommy for help

I can't decide if you're really this emotionally invested in dogs being wolves, or you're just this emotionally invested in declaring yourself right, and everyone else should shut up.

I'm pretty decided on you being a boring asshole who's a blight on any social interaction you get near.

To borrow your favorite - and only - debating tactic: dogs are different from wolves. That is not up for discussion. So there, it is because I say so.

Now move along, little one, and you may ask your mommy why no one likes you.

Dismissed.

 

[Dusty]

I don't have a science background and don't know much about evolution but I believe the answer to my question is YES. What say you? Here's an article that delves into the topic.

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

Only to make something clear. You are able to see with your own eyes in nature that wolves and dogs are different entities. Wolves do not bark for example. They are not able to interpret the behavior of human beings - dogs are able to do so. But you ignore all this differencens because you "measure" what your are not really able ot measure. "99.9% same DNA" is an empty phrase - nothing else. So what for heavens sake do you call "science"?

Dogs and wolves share 99.9 percent of their DNA, they can interbreed BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME SPECIES. This is not up for discussion, and wolves do bark, growl, whimper and howl just as dogs do

Human share 98.8% of our DNA with chimpanzees. Are we the same species?

Humans can not interbreed with chimps and have viable offspring. On the other hand if my German shorthairs mated with a wolf the offspring would be healthy and successful hunters.

So try again little one, you may ask your mommy for help

I can't decide if you're really this emotionally invested in dogs being wolves, or you're just this emotionally invested in declaring yourself right, and everyone else should shut up.

I'm pretty decided on you being a boring asshole who's a blight on any social interaction you get near.

To borrow your favorite - and only - debating tactic: dogs are different from wolves. That is not up for discussion. So there, it is because I say so.

Now move along, little one, and you may ask your mommy why no one likes you.

Dismissed.

I noticed that you did not present any factual information to dispute me. Not that you can dispute the truth. Try though, you are rather amusing as you babble

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

To be specific, dogs and wolves are two different sub-species. They can interbreed, but they are genetically different enough to not be viewed scientifically as the same thing.

Yep. In fact, they are now viewed as seperate species

Canis Lupus
Canis Familiaris

Genetic mapping indicates that the domestic dog is probably a descendant of a now-extinct descendant of the grey wolf. The debate still goes on as to whether dogs should be considered a sub-species of the grey wolf, or a separate species of their own.

I think the debate was closer to being settled, when genetic evidence started indicating that the grey wold and the dog share a common ancestor, and that dogs are directly descended from that ancestor.

 

[Mushroom]

Opinion based on?

Well, I have read the Bible. Pretty gross, but interesting nonetheless. A peek into the primitive morality and ethics of ancient people, and their first and worst attempt to compile them.

Why did you just lie?
At least post 20 or 30 times before you lie.
If you have read the story, in context of the flood, you're not very bright.
The morality of 2021 is not much better but God promised Noach He would never again destroy almost all of mankind in a flood.

Meaningless rant. But thanks. To be continued in another thread and section of the board.

I agree; everything you post is a meaningless rant.

Cool.

You do know the silly Noah flood myth never happened, right?

Actually, you know it did, right?

One thing that is amazingly consistent in almost every mythology in that region of the world, is that they all have a flood myth. Every single one.

And in recent decades, discoveries in the Black Sea (including sites now underwater) have caused many to look at that as being the source of the flood, at roughly 5k BCE;.

There is still debate as to how fast this event happened, but the fact that every group in the region north of Egypt share a common belief screams that there is more to it than just a religious belief. The tales of Gilgamesh have a flood myth almost the exact same as the Bible. To the Greeks, Deucalion was warned by Zeus and Poseidon and built an ark almost the same as Noah and stocked it with animals. To the Zoroastrians, Ahura Mazda warned Yima who also built a large boat with 2 of every animal. Even the Hindu with Vishnu warning King Manu to do the exact same thing.

The fact that so many religions share almost the exact same myth shows that something catastrophic had happened in prehistoric times, and the survivors then incorporated that event into their mythologies. And as humans spread out they took that myth with them and told it in their own way. But the fact that they are so similar screams that there was a real event that they were all based on.

One thing I learned in taking a religion class is how similar most religions are. There are a great many striking things that faiths continents apart share, which ultimately points to their having been spawned from a single older faith. Simply look at how many religions share almost identical tales, but told in their own way. Like how for so many, the most popular "god" is the son of the "highest god". And invariably has an older brother. Who not only is known as a "trickster god", but also did things like bring forbidden knowledge to humans (specifically fire and/or agriculture). The Norse, Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians, Jewish-Christians, Thai all share those beliefs. Even American Indians share them, which shows how far back this common belief extends. In almost every North American Tribe, Coyote is the older (but sometimes younger) brother of Wolf. A trickster, he is akin to Loki, a "frenemy" of Wolf. And many tales actually echo the relationship between Wolf and Coyote the exact same way as between Thor and Loki. Even echoing tales of Prometheus in stealing fire from the gods and giving it to humans.

Feel free to deny all you want, but you do not get an almost global echo telling almost the exact same story if nothing had happened historically. And ultimately, that is what we know of most religions today. Tales told orally for generation after generation, often distorted by time but having an actual event that inspired them.

So you think because everyone has heard of the boogy man that maybe one exists? Or Bigfoot?

Yea, I'm sure every society 10,000 years ago experienced floods and they passed those stories down to their kids. Some clearly embellished the story.

Oh, and funny when I suggest population control because our planet is overpopulated, cons accuse me of eugenics. Yet they are all ok with God wiping out every human and every other land creature to start over with 1 family (incest) and 2 of every animal.

You do understand the Noah story is impossible right? Who fucked Noah's grandkids?

Fast, reach up and catch that jet plane flying over your head!

Awww, too slow. You missed it.

Obviously, you completely missed what I had said, and now gone off onto a rant completely unrelated to anything I said. And with your screaming about the race of others, I think this is pointless. You are more concerned with screaming at others than actually having any kind of conversation.

Have a nice day.

 

[Dusty]

From Wolves to Pugs and Great Danes – The History of Dog Breeds

Updated October 24, 2024 – Learn about the evolution of dogs and how they went from wolves to the loving pets we keep in our homes.

www.morrisanimalfoundation.org

Nope.. Its a result of selective breeding.

Nope? ... No hope? ... Absolutelly wrong?

Where do you see the difference between "selective breeding" and "natural selection"? We use the natural law evolution since about 20,000 years when some wolves decided to make us responsible for their lifes. Looks like we made not a bad job for them.

Dogs are not evolved from wolves as they are both still the same species,

Some genes are different. Dogs understand human voices and gestures. The understand for exampel what it means to point on a thing. Apes don't understand this gesture. Wolves also not as far as I know.

the dog however is actually been partly de-evolved and is now a parasite living off of humans

And not to forget: Many people see in the word "evolution" only a method to disclassify all unborn babies, all dogs, all Blacks, all Latinos, all Indians (red or not red) and all women - into the category "parasites" = "people, who like to steal my money, only because it is their money".

Or with other words: the relations between dogs and human beings are synergetic. They are for us here on this planet - and we are for them here on this planet. An average dog is by the way a master in psychology - compared with the average grown up male weaponed US-American. Proof: I never gave any of this male bullies any treat.

Pointers are not doing anything different than a wolf, in fact these abilities are all natural to wolves. A modern dog is genetically 99.9 percent wolf so no evolution is present

A lady here in this forum said once: An intelligent man is someone, who knows that tomatoes are fruits. And a wise man is, who knows not to throw them into a fruit salad.

Actually a human's intellectual quotient is not determined by a tomato.

I'm now not sure about this after your answer here.

Though some humans have the mental acuity of a said tomato. Then again other humans are quite mentally inferior to the same said tomato.

Dogs know that they are not bears nor wolves. That's what they told me when wolves and bears were not far from us. About tomatoes and fruit salad I have to say they had no special opinion. Owls also don't have a special opinion about this. Ravens too. ...

The post is not about dogs not being bears, the post is about dogs being descended from wolves which they are not because dogs are in reality still wolves. But you keep on babbling about dogs knowing that the yare not bears because the fact is that dogs nor wolves do not see their own breed, all they see and smell is another canine whether it be a dog or wolf

To be specific, dogs and wolves are two different sub-species. They can interbreed, but they are genetically different enough to not be viewed scientifically as the same thing.

Yep. In fact, they are now viewed as seperate species

Canis Lupus
Canis Familiaris

Genetic mapping indicates that the domestic dog is probably a descendant of a now-extinct descendant of the grey wolf. The debate still goes on as to whether dogs should be considered a sub-species of the grey wolf, or a separate species of their own.

I think the debate was closer to being settled, when genetic evidence started indicating that the grey wold and the dog share a common ancestor, and that dogs are directly descended from that ancestor.

There is no mythical ancestor that went extinct, it merely evolved into todays wild wolves. This entire story is supposition assuming that DNA does not change over time which it clearly does

 

[Mushroom]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

 

[Dusty]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

 

[Mushroom]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.