Are God deniers and climate change deniers equally flawed?

[CrusaderFrank]

You could or couldn't care less?

My post is about the parallels in terms of beliefs, that I have noticed with denial of God and denial of climate change. This is about beliefs, how we choose what to believe and the arguments we put forward to defend them.

I’m torn between could and couldn’t, it’s a coin flip

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No, because you’re still have to prove that levels rising are a result of man made interference.

OK so we'll scratch that, what else would convince that mankind is changing the behavior of the earth's climate? You said sea levels then backed out so what else?

 

[theHawk]

That depends on the standard we set for regarding something as evidence, we choose that standard, we all do

Eyewitness evidence, from multiple trustworthy sources.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I’m torn between could and couldn’t, it’s a coin flip

I think he cares, ever so nice of him.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Eyewitness evidence, from multiple trustworthy sources.

Well we have people claiming they can see a global net temperature rise and that that cannot be accounted for by natural phenomenon.

But you deem them not trustworthy, why?

 

[Captain Caveman]

It struck me recently while interacting with devoted climate change deniers, that their reasoning has much in common with atheists - those who deny that God exists.

Both positions claim "there's no evidence" for God/climate and when asked what would they consider as evidence, they start to go around in circles.

How many Trump supporting "Christians" realize that they are climate atheists? I wonder, I wonder if they ever think for themselves.

Climate alarmists and those that think religion has no value, are flawed and fools.

 

[theHawk]

OK so we'll scratch that, what else would convince that mankind is changing the behavior of the earth's climate? You said sea levels then backed out so what else?

Why “scratch that”? A claim of the climate cult is man is causing sea levels to rise.

Now that you’ve been put on the spot, you want to “scratch that”.

This is what climate hoaxers always do. When called out to scientifically prove their claim, they back out.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Climate alarmists and those that think religion has no value, are flawed and fools.

God denial and climate change denial are based on the same arguments - a lack of convincing evidence.

 

[theHawk]

Well we have people claiming they can see a global net temperature rise and that that cannot be accounted for by natural phenomenon.

But you deem them not trustworthy, why?

The temperature of the earth has been steadily rising for the last 10,000+ years. Since the last ice age. No one disputes that. It’s on you to quantify how man is making the temperature go up at a faster rate. So show us the science that proves it.

 

[Captain Caveman]

God denial and climate change denial are based on the same arguments - a lack of convincing evidence.

What a pile of shit you talk.

Where's your link in the OP?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Why “scratch that”? A claim of the climate cult is man is causing sea levels to rise.

YOU scratched it, you said that sea levels rise is not sufficient evidence, go and read what you said!

Now that you’ve been put on the spot, you want to “scratch that”.

YOU did, you said "you still have to prove that levels rising are a result of man made interference" so you want MORE that a sea level rise, you additionally want evidence that the sea level rise is not natural.

This is what climate hoaxers always do. When called out to scientifically prove their claim, they back out.

Tell me then, what kind of proof would you accept that sea level rise is caused by human activity?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The temperature of the earth has been steadily rising for the last 10,000+ years.

Who told you that? scientists? yes? so trust scientists.

Since the last ice age. No one disputes that.

OK.

It’s on you to quantify how man is making the temperature go up at a faster rate. So show us the science that proves it.

What would you accept as proof - I don't think you know and if you don't know how can you be sure that what we show you is NOT proof?

 

[theHawk]

God denial and climate change denial are based on the same arguments - a lack of convincing evidence.

False. The Jews rejected God over and over even when the evidence of Him was right in their midst. They had the Ark, and the pillar of smoke and fire leading them. Miraculous events happened that God did for them, yet they still made a golden calf.

They didn’t deny God because of a lack of evidence. They denied God because it was easier to chose their own inclinations they didn’t want to give up.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What a pile of shit you talk.

Where's your link in the OP?

Ask an atheist they will all ask for evidence for God and nothing you show them will convince them, that's EXACTLY the same attitude I see in climate change deniers.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

False. The Jews rejected God over and over even when the evidence of Him was right in their midst.

Evidence please?

They had the Ark, and the pillar of smoke and fire leading them. Miraculous events happened that God did for them, yet they still made a golden calf.

Again, what is the evidence? why would I just take your word?

They didn’t deny God because of a lack of evidence. They denied God because it was easier to chose their own inclinations they didn’t want to give up.

No, ask any atheists and they'll tell you they see no evidence - you can take my word, I've been debating and burying atheists in forums like this for decades, I know all about it.

 

[theHawk]

Who told you that? scientists? yes? so trust scientists.

OK.

What would you accept as proof - I don't think you know and if you don't know how can you be sure that what we show you is NOT proof?

I have no problem with science. Science is the study of the real world.

My point is, climate hoaxers have provided no scientific theory that uses actual science to prove their claims. All science theory is quantified, yet they provide no actual equations.

 

[theHawk]

Evidence please?

Again, what is the evidence? why would I just take your word?

No, ask any atheists and they'll tell you they see no evidence - you can take my word, I've been debating and burying atheists in forums like this for decades, I know all about it.

LOL. Try reading the Old Testament.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I have no problem with science. Science is the study of the real world.

My point is, climate hoaxers have provided no scientific theory that uses actual science to prove their claims. All science theory is quantified, yet they provide no actual equations.

There are many theories, we usually call them "models" though, these are - in effect - theories, like all theories they enable us to predict future state:

 

[theHawk]

YOU scratched it, you said that sea levels rise is not sufficient evidence, go and read what you said!

YOU did, you said "you still have to prove that levels rising are a result of man made interference" so you want MORE that a sea level rise, you additionally want evidence that the sea level rise is not natural.

Tell me then, what kind of proof would you accept that sea level rise is caused by human activity?

Read it again. I said you need to provide evidence that sea levels rising is a result of man.

The whole theory of “Climate change” is that man is causing all the bad weather things to happen.

This is the great cop out climate hoaxers always do. You try to use evidence of natural of occurring events and attribute it to man made causes. Yet you have no scientific evidence to prove it.

 

[theHawk]

There are many theories, we usually call them "models" though, these are - in effect - theories, like all theories they enable us to predict future state:

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^^ a computer program…written by a climate hoaxer.