Are democrats intentionally trying to lose the 2016 election?

[Seawytch]

Funny, you claim that obama is not responsible for the economy while he has been in office, but bush gets the total blame while he was in office. hypocrisy much?

I didn't say that. I give much credit to President Obama's policies for digging us out of the hole we were in. We went from losing 750,000 jobs a month when Bush left office to over two straight years of job gains in the private sector. I think the DOW has more than doubled too. If President Obama had an (R) next to his name, you'd be shouting that kind of success from the rooftops.

I do blame the GOP for us not having as robust a recovery as we could be having and for the drag on the unemployment numbers. If public sector employment was at the same levels they were under, oh say, Bush or Reagan...we'd be a percentage or two lower. Then there was that debt ceiling debacle...

YAAAAAAAAAA more talking points. unemployment has stayed around 8%, real unemployment is around 15%, more on welfare than ever before, more on food stamps than ever before, more below the poverty level than ever before. There is no recovery. we are going further in debt at the rate of a trillion a year, obamacare is causing businesses to lay off people and/or cut their hours.

obama's fiscal policies are an unprecedented disaster. wake up and smell reality.

Speaking of talking points...I love the "on average" talking point. Saying "on average" Bush had a better unemployment rate is like saying "on average" the Titanic was a fantastic trip. I'd have rather been on Apollo 13, which "on average" was much worse.

 

[NYcarbineer]

and congress has an approval rating of 11%. notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I agree that the GOP needs to step up and fix itself, if it does not, a viable third party may come into existence.

this is not really about party-----------its about liberalism/progressivism vs conservatism/capitalism. The country can go either way in the next few years. Europe tried liberalism/progressivism and it failed, we can learn from that or we can become a large version of Greece.

It is entirely about party. The Republican party has sold out to its extreme right which is causing them to run unelectable candidates

The GOP is setting itself up as a party of regionalized strongholds that is trying to rule from the minority

Bullshit-----are you calling McCain and Romney extreme right???????? WTF

republicans lost because they tried to become democrats, they lost their principles, they bought the media lies.

you may be right, it may be too late. but if you are right, this country is over as a free democratic republic, we will become a virtual monarchy to one party rule.

If you think that is good, then you and I are from different planets.

The Democrats can only dominate national politics if more people vote for them than vote for Republicans.

That would be how a democratic republic works.

 

[Seawytch]

"If public-sector employment had grown since June 2009 by the average amount it grew in the three previous recoveries (2.8 percent) instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent, there would be 1.2 million more public-sector jobs in the U.S. economy today," said the Economic Policy Institute in a recent report, which included federal employees in the calculation.


Despite recovery, US public employees face more layoffs

 

[NYcarbineer]

and congress has an approval rating of 11%. notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I agree that the GOP needs to step up and fix itself, if it does not, a viable third party may come into existence.

this is not really about party-----------its about liberalism/progressivism vs conservatism/capitalism. The country can go either way in the next few years. Europe tried liberalism/progressivism and it failed, we can learn from that or we can become a large version of Greece.

It is entirely about party. The Republican party has sold out to its extreme right which is causing them to run unelectable candidates

The GOP is setting itself up as a party of regionalized strongholds that is trying to rule from the minority

Bullshit-----are you calling McCain and Romney extreme right???????? WTF

republicans lost because they tried to become democrats, they lost their principles, they bought the media lies.

Then of course it shouldn't be difficult to name the many candidates more conservative than either McCain or Romney who could haved done better against Obama.

I predict you will name ZERO, but will manage to give us one of your inevitable inane dodges to disguise the fact that you can't name any.

 

[rightwinger]

"If public-sector employment had grown since June 2009 by the average amount it grew in the three previous recoveries (2.8 percent) instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent, there would be 1.2 million more public-sector jobs in the U.S. economy today," said the Economic Policy Institute in a recent report, which included federal employees in the calculation.


Despite recovery, US public employees face more layoffs

A key point...

President Obama is the only president in history being asked to recover from a major economic collapse while cutting public sector employment and slashing spending

 

[JoeB131]

[quo

no federal income taxes---------thats the statistic. No one has ever claimed that 47% pay no sales taxes, property taxes etc.

Your spin fails again.

Actually, the only group that hit 47% was one category - single filers- in one year - 2009, when the recession hit the high water mark. YOu'd know this if you read the article.

And most of those people paid other taxes.

INcidently, when the income tax first came out, it was SPECIFICALLY designed to tax the wealthy. That's it's whole purpose.

 

[Redfish]

"If public-sector employment had grown since June 2009 by the average amount it grew in the three previous recoveries (2.8 percent) instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent, there would be 1.2 million more public-sector jobs in the U.S. economy today," said the Economic Policy Institute in a recent report, which included federal employees in the calculation.


Despite recovery, US public employees face more layoffs

A key point...

President Obama is the only president in history being asked to recover from a major economic collapse while cutting public sector employment and slashing spending

really? I did not know that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

 

[Redfish]

[quo

no federal income taxes---------thats the statistic. No one has ever claimed that 47% pay no sales taxes, property taxes etc.

Your spin fails again.

Actually, the only group that hit 47% was one category - single filers- in one year - 2009, when the recession hit the high water mark. YOu'd know this if you read the article.

And most of those people paid other taxes.

INcidently, when the income tax first came out, it was SPECIFICALLY designed to tax the wealthy. That's it's whole purpose.

Hmmm, so your history teacher told you that the federal income tax was enacted to punish the successful in the country? That was the "whole purpose" of it ?

 

[Redfish]

[quo

no federal income taxes---------thats the statistic. No one has ever claimed that 47% pay no sales taxes, property taxes etc.

Your spin fails again.

Actually, the only group that hit 47% was one category - single filers- in one year - 2009, when the recession hit the high water mark. YOu'd know this if you read the article.

And most of those people paid other taxes.

INcidently, when the income tax first came out, it was SPECIFICALLY designed to tax the wealthy. That's it's whole purpose.

what % of american workers should be taxed on their income? before answering remember that your hero obama keeps talking about shared sacrifice.

 

[rightwinger]

"If public-sector employment had grown since June 2009 by the average amount it grew in the three previous recoveries (2.8 percent) instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent, there would be 1.2 million more public-sector jobs in the U.S. economy today," said the Economic Policy Institute in a recent report, which included federal employees in the calculation.


Despite recovery, US public employees face more layoffs

A key point...

President Obama is the only president in history being asked to recover from a major economic collapse while cutting public sector employment and slashing spending

really? I did not that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

 

[Redfish]

A key point...

President Obama is the only president in history being asked to recover from a major economic collapse while cutting public sector employment and slashing spending

really? I did not that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

national debt increased from 10 Trillion to 17 trillion in 5 years
more people in poverty than when he took over
more on welfare than when he took over'
more on food stamps than when he took over
longest sustained high unemployment rate in our history
no federal budget for 5 years
inflation
the GM bailouts, the Chrysler bailouts
jobs going overseas to escape high corporate taxes, regulations, and obamacare
a more divided country than when he took over
racial unrest---spurred by his statements
ever increasing inter city black on black crime
worse balance of trade internationally than when he took over
more dependent on mid east energy
failed "investments" in unworkable green energy projects
higher taxes on every taxpayer due to obamacare

just for starters.

 

[Redfish]

A key point...

President Obama is the only president in history being asked to recover from a major economic collapse while cutting public sector employment and slashing spending

really? I did not that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

the actions of FDR extended the depression they did not end it, he made it worse. the recovery would have been quicker and stronger without unfunded govt spending. When do you think the national debt began to rise?

 

[rightwinger]

really? I did not that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

the actions of FDR extended the depression they did not end it, he made it worse. the recovery would have been quicker and stronger without unfunded govt spending. When do you think the national debt began to rise?

Rightwing propaganda

What extended the depression was trying to reign in spending before it was over

 

[rightwinger]

really? I did not that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

national debt increased from 10 Trillion to 17 trillion in 5 years
more people in poverty than when he took over
more on welfare than when he took over'
more on food stamps than when he took over
longest sustained high unemployment rate in our history
no federal budget for 5 years
inflation
the GM bailouts, the Chrysler bailouts
jobs going overseas to escape high corporate taxes, regulations, and obamacare
a more divided country than when he took over
racial unrest---spurred by his statements
ever increasing inter city black on black crime
worse balance of trade internationally than when he took over
more dependent on mid east energy
failed "investments" in unworkable green energy projects
higher taxes on every taxpayer due to obamacare

just for starters.

I do believe you used the words "every economic indicator"

Ready to admit you were lying?

 

[Redfish]

A key point...

President Obama is the only president in history being asked to recover from a major economic collapse while cutting public sector employment and slashing spending

really? I did not that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

national debt increased from 10 Trillion to 17 trillion in 5 years
more people in poverty than when he took over
more on welfare than when he took over'
more on food stamps than when he took over
longest sustained high unemployment rate in our history
no federal budget for 5 years
inflation
the GM bailouts, the Chrysler bailouts
jobs going overseas to escape high corporate taxes, regulations, and obamacare
a more divided country than when he took over
racial unrest---spurred by his statements
ever increasing inter city black on black crime
worse balance of trade internationally than when he took over
more dependent on mid east energy
failed "investments" in unworkable green energy projects
higher taxes on every taxpayer due to obamacare

just for starters.

I do believe you used the words "every economic indicator"

Ready to admit you were lying?

ok, lets talk about ones you brought up.

yes, the market has been up, because the FED continues to print money and pump it into the banks. that cannot last forever, inflation will destroy any gains.

the unemployment rate has not dropped, it appears to have because many people have given up and are no longer counted. real unemployment is around 15%, much higher with black youths.

there have been no net job gains. temporary seasonal changes are not permanent gains

GDP is up because the market is up, see above comment on the market

personal wealth is not increasing, due to inflation it is decreasing

Housing---from really terrible to just plain terrible. property values remain down, people remain unside down on their mortgages.

sorry, RW, I know you want obama to succeed, but he has failed miserably. The sooner you guys on the left accept that fact, the sooner the country can get back on track.

 

[Redfish]

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

the actions of FDR extended the depression they did not end it, he made it worse. the recovery would have been quicker and stronger without unfunded govt spending. When do you think the national debt began to rise?

Rightwing propaganda

What extended the depression was trying to reign in spending before it was over

yeah right, The CCC really helped the economy, one group of guys digging a ditch and another group filling it back in--and both paid with borrowed govt money.

its a recipe for the fiscal disaster that is with us today.

 

[rightwinger]

really? I did not that obama was president after the great depression.

but even if your claim were true, which it isnt, every economic measure is worse today than when obozo took office. He is a failure, worst president in history

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

national debt increased from 10 Trillion to 17 trillion in 5 years
more people in poverty than when he took over
more on welfare than when he took over'
more on food stamps than when he took over
longest sustained high unemployment rate in our history
no federal budget for 5 yearsI
inflation
the GM bailouts, the Chrysler bailouts
jobs going overseas to escape high corporate taxes, regulations, and obamacare
a more divided country than when he took over
racial unrest---spurred by his statements
ever increasing inter city black on black crime
worse balance of trade internationally than when he took over
more dependent on mid east energy
failed "investments" in unworkable green energy projects
higher taxes on every taxpayer due to obamacare

just for starters.

I do believe you used the words "every economic indicator"

Ready to admit you were lying?

ok, lets talk about ones you brought up.

yes, the market has been up, because the FED continues to print money and pump it into the banks. that cannot last forever, inflation will destroy any gains.

the unemployment rate has not dropped, it appears to have because many people have given up and are no longer counted. real unemployment is around 15%, much higher with black youths.

there have been no net job gains. temporary seasonal changes are not permanent gains

GDP is up because the market is up, see above comment on the market

personal wealth is not increasing, due to inflation it is decreasing

Housing---from really terrible to just plain terrible. property values remain down, people remain unside down on their mortgages.

sorry, RW, I know you want obama to succeed, but he has failed miserably. The sooner you guys on the left accept that fact, the sooner the country can get back on track.

You said every economic indicator is down......you are wrong

Admit it

 

[Redfish]

FDR was able to increase government spending to then unprecidented levels and increase government hiring to end the Depression.

What is your impression of " every economic measure"

Stock Market doubling?
Unemployment rate dropping?
Jobs going from losing 770,000 a month to plus 200,000?
GDP going from five quarters negative GDP to 17 straight positive quarters?
Personal wealth increasing
Housing recovering!

Which measures are you talking about?

I do believe you used the words "every economic indicator"

Ready to admit you were lying?

ok, lets talk about ones you brought up.

yes, the market has been up, because the FED continues to print money and pump it into the banks. that cannot last forever, inflation will destroy any gains.

the unemployment rate has not dropped, it appears to have because many people have given up and are no longer counted. real unemployment is around 15%, much higher with black youths.

there have been no net job gains. temporary seasonal changes are not permanent gains

GDP is up because the market is up, see above comment on the market

personal wealth is not increasing, due to inflation it is decreasing

Housing---from really terrible to just plain terrible. property values remain down, people remain unside down on their mortgages.

sorry, RW, I know you want obama to succeed, but he has failed miserably. The sooner you guys on the left accept that fact, the sooner the country can get back on track.

You said every economic indicator is down......you are wrong

Admit it

Ok, every economic indicator except the stock market, happy now?

 

[rightwinger]

the actions of FDR extended the depression they did not end it, he made it worse. the recovery would have been quicker and stronger without unfunded govt spending. When do you think the national debt began to rise?

Rightwing propaganda

What extended the depression was trying to reign in spending before it was over

yeah right, The CCC really helped the economy, one group of guys digging a ditch and another group filling it back in--and both paid with borrowed govt money.

its a recipe for the fiscal disaster that is with us today.

More bullshit

CCC was responsible for thousands of public works jobs and many of our national parks still show their handiwork

 

[rightwinger]

ok, lets talk about ones you brought up.

yes, the market has been up, because the FED continues to print money and pump it into the banks. that cannot last forever, inflation will destroy any gains.

the unemployment rate has not dropped, it appears to have because many people have given up and are no longer counted. real unemployment is around 15%, much higher with black youths.

there have been no net job gains. temporary seasonal changes are not permanent gains

GDP is up because the market is up, see above comment on the market

personal wealth is not increasing, due to inflation it is decreasing

Housing---from really terrible to just plain terrible. property values remain down, people remain unside down on their mortgages.

sorry, RW, I know you want obama to succeed, but he has failed miserably. The sooner you guys on the left accept that fact, the sooner the country can get back on track.

You said every economic indicator is down......you are wrong

Admit it

Ok, every economic indicator except the stock market, happy now?

Monthly employment went from losing 770,000 jobs a month to positive 200,000 jobs. That is almost a million jobs a month swing

Admit you are lying