Are democrats intentionally trying to lose the 2016 election?

[rightwinger]

Yes, I'm sure it would be Democrats fighting tax raises. Do you even read what you write Fishy?

The dems had complete control during obama's first two years, why didn't they raise the cap gains tax rate then?

answer: because it would affect them and they do not want to pay more taxes, some of them are also smart enough to realize that raising cap gain rate would hurt the economy.

But your envy and jealousy of successful people is noted.

Unless, the Republicans were willing to relinquish their beloved filibuster, the Dems did not have complete control

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, I'm sure it would be Democrats fighting tax raises. Do you even read what you write Fishy?

The dems had complete control during obama's first two years, why didn't they raise the cap gains tax rate then?

answer: because it would affect them and they do not want to pay more taxes, some of them are also smart enough to realize that raising cap gain rate would hurt the economy.

But your envy and jealousy of successful people is noted.

That canard has been thoroughly debunked. Won't stop you from trying though will it?

 

[JoeB131]

Joe and Wytch don't like that tax code (written mostly by democrats) because it treats capital gains differently from other forms of income.

But when challenged on why they blame republicans and conservatives for something done be democrats they run away like scolded children.

For any other dems who think the evil rich should not have a lower tax rate on cap gains-----have you contacted your democrat senators and congressmen and told them to raise the rate? NO? why not? Because they would laugh at you, the cap gains rate helps them and they are not about to raise their own taxes.

Its called hypocrisy when you fools rant and rave about the tax rate that Romney paid and ignore the fact that your democrat representatives are taking the same advantage of the tax code.

Both parties deserve a LOT of blame.

Neither party mans up and says, "This is what it costs to provide the services we provide. You can either lower service, or increase taxes."

But borrowing is the path of least resistance, so they do that.

 

[Redfish]

Joe and Wytch don't like that tax code (written mostly by democrats) because it treats capital gains differently from other forms of income.

But when challenged on why they blame republicans and conservatives for something done be democrats they run away like scolded children.

For any other dems who think the evil rich should not have a lower tax rate on cap gains-----have you contacted your democrat senators and congressmen and told them to raise the rate? NO? why not? Because they would laugh at you, the cap gains rate helps them and they are not about to raise their own taxes.

Its called hypocrisy when you fools rant and rave about the tax rate that Romney paid and ignore the fact that your democrat representatives are taking the same advantage of the tax code.

Both parties deserve a LOT of blame.

Neither party mans up and says, "This is what it costs to provide the services we provide. You can either lower service, or increase taxes."

But borrowing is the path of least resistance, so they do that.

there is another option--------cut government spending by eliminating waste. Cut agencies that accomplish nothing, eliminate foreign aid, close overseas bases, cut congressional staff budgets by half, do away with the IRS and have a national sales tax.

the govt does not exist to provide us with "services" other than national defense and a court system.

withhold SS tax on all income, not just the first 110K.

there are lots of relatively easy fixes, but no one in congress has the balls to suggest them because they spend 100% of their time running for reelection.

Oh, ---------TERM LIMITS

 

[Redfish]

Yes, I'm sure it would be Democrats fighting tax raises. Do you even read what you write Fishy?

The dems had complete control during obama's first two years, why didn't they raise the cap gains tax rate then?

answer: because it would affect them and they do not want to pay more taxes, some of them are also smart enough to realize that raising cap gain rate would hurt the economy.

But your envy and jealousy of successful people is noted.

That canard has been thoroughly debunked. Won't stop you from trying though will it?

wrong, the dems had enough votes to ram obamacare through, they could have used the same votes to raise the cap gains rate-----hell, they could hav put it in the obamacare bill, they shoved everything else in that piece of crap bill,.

 

[Seawytch]

The dems had complete control during obama's first two years, why didn't they raise the cap gains tax rate then?

answer: because it would affect them and they do not want to pay more taxes, some of them are also smart enough to realize that raising cap gain rate would hurt the economy.

But your envy and jealousy of successful people is noted.

That canard has been thoroughly debunked. Won't stop you from trying though will it?

wrong, the dems had enough votes to ram obamacare through, they could have used the same votes to raise the cap gains rate-----hell, they could hav put it in the obamacare bill, they shoved everything else in that piece of crap bill,.

A year and a half of debate and pandering to Blue Dogs is not ramming. The Democratic Supermajority is a myth.

 

[JoeB131]

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there is another option--------cut government spending by eliminating waste. Cut agencies that accomplish nothing, eliminate foreign aid, close overseas bases, cut congressional staff budgets by half, do away with the IRS and have a national sales tax.

Wow. Okay. All the things you want to cut would probably amount to less than 1% of the budget. And after a national sales tax WRECKS the economy, they'll lose a lot of income.

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the govt does not exist to provide us with "services" other than national defense and a court system.

That's your opinion. It's not one most Americans share.

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withhold SS tax on all income, not just the first 110K.

I'd have no problem with that, as long as you means test it. No reason why Bill Gates should be getting a seven figure check.

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there are lots of relatively easy fixes, but no one in congress has the balls to suggest them because they spend 100% of their time running for reelection.

Oh, ---------TERM LIMITS

Term limits would just make the bureaucrats more powerful, not less.

How about this. Tax the wealthy at a fair rate, get rid of tax breaks for rich people and corporate welfare.

 

[candycorn]

Considering that a majority of Americans think the GOP is extremist, what is the GOP going to do to turn that tide? If they keep on doing what they are doing, the public's perception will continue to be negative.
The Dems may also be extremist, but they don't have any balls, don't try to scream down opposite views and play that liability to appear more mainstream than the GOP.
Go figure.

In the last year...it's gotten worse for the GOP; not better. Now they are suing the President...

It's almost whacky.

 

[candycorn]

so.... you're NOT honorable enough to make such a wager and pay me if you lose. why didn't you just say so instead of tapdance like that?

and a three year CD? why in the world would I want to put any of my money in a low yield instrument like that?

You have to remember that this lady "redfish" was probably one of the children bitchslapped out of here in November. Once a welcher, always a welcher.

Pay Pal has an Escrow service, I think, to where they will hold the money pending the outcome. There are some other services on the 'net that will perform it.

Surely "redfish" wouldn't want any part of something it can't weasel out of.

I am very much a male and have never been banned from this or any other forum.

How about you, would like a piece of the action on whether hillybilly gets the dem nomination?

Thinking about it...offer still stand?

 

[Rozman]

If the dems continue to support obama's failed marxism and run the failed secstate Hillary, then the GOP could very easily take over the senate, keep the house, and take the whitehouse.

The american people are fed up with being lied to and having the country run by incompetent, arrogant, narcsssistic big-government thugs.

Enjoy it while you can dems, obama has sealed your coffins.

I like where your heads at!

 

[GreenBean]

If the dems continue to support obama's failed marxism and run the failed secstate Hillary, then the GOP could very easily take over the senate, keep the house, and take the whitehouse.

The american people are fed up with being lied to and having the country run by incompetent, arrogant, narcsssistic big-government thugs.

Enjoy it while you can dems, obama has sealed your coffins.

They'll never run Hillary . Possibly Kerry again.BUt I don't think they want to win -they want a Republican in for a short while to blame all of Obamas ****-ups on.

Second possibility is - there will be no 2016 election - how do you spell "coup de tat"

 

[LoneLaugher]

If the dems continue to support obama's failed marxism and run the failed secstate Hillary, then the GOP could very easily take over the senate, keep the house, and take the whitehouse.

The american people are fed up with being lied to and having the country run by incompetent, arrogant, narcsssistic big-government thugs.

Enjoy it while you can dems, obama has sealed your coffins.

They'll never run Hillary . Possibly Kerry again.BUt I don't think they want to win -they want a Republican in for a short while to blame all of Obamas ****-ups on.

Second possibility is - there will be no 2016 election - how do you spell "coup de tat"

s-t-u-p-i-d

 

[rightwinger]

Considering that a majority of Americans think the GOP is extremist, what is the GOP going to do to turn that tide? If they keep on doing what they are doing, the public's perception will continue to be negative.
The Dems may also be extremist, but they don't have any balls, don't try to scream down opposite views and play that liability to appear more mainstream than the GOP.
Go figure.

In the last year...it's gotten worse for the GOP; not better. Now they are suing the President...

It's almost whacky.

2016 will be a disaster for Republicans. The demographics just do not line up

However, their worst enemy is the rightwing media telling them how much the public hates the "failed Obama presidency" and can't wait to vote for Republicans

 

[GreenBean]

If the dems continue to support obama's failed marxism and run the failed secstate Hillary, then the GOP could very easily take over the senate, keep the house, and take the whitehouse.

The american people are fed up with being lied to and having the country run by incompetent, arrogant, narcsssistic big-government thugs.

Enjoy it while you can dems, obama has sealed your coffins.

They'll never run Hillary . Possibly Kerry again.BUt I don't think they want to win -they want a Republican in for a short while to blame all of Obamas ****-ups on.

Second possibility is - there will be no 2016 election - how do you spell "coup de tat"

s-t-u-p-i-d

So you think they're gonna nominate "stupid" ? ... which one Kerry or Clinton or another stupid Democrat ?

 

[LoneLaugher]

They'll never run Hillary . Possibly Kerry again.BUt I don't think they want to win -they want a Republican in for a short while to blame all of Obamas ****-ups on.

Second possibility is - there will be no 2016 election - how do you spell "coup de tat"

s-t-u-p-i-d

So you think they're gonna nominate "stupid" ? ... which one Kerry or Clinton or another stupid Democrat ?

Didn't get it, did you?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

He's got a way to go yet before he's sealed it as solidly as Bush sealed the Republican coffin.

opinions are like assholes--everyone has one. we will see who is right in 14 and 16.

face it, obama has been a disappointment to you lefties. He has failed economically, fiscally, and internationally. He is the worst president in our history. He makes Carter look like a wizard.

Plus, obama is the first american president who does not love this country and what it stands for. Soetoro and mooshelle hate this country and want to punish it for its greed and for having slavery.

He's definitely not lived up to the hype and has done a lot that I disagree with. But not once have I felt the blind rage I felt for the entire first 6 years of the Bush Presidency. I may vote Republican again one day but after seeing how Republicans have handled themselves during the Obama Presidency it will be a while.

Ex: The entire last sentence you used. "Soetoro" is an example of nonsense that the Republican party has obsessed over because they can't argue the issues. And "mooshelle" is classless idiocy. And Republicans seem to ACTUALLY think that the President wants to punish and destroy America. I can't associate myself with that embarrassing crap.

You never were on the good, decent side. You've always been a democrat.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

as to obama hating this country-----have you read his books?

I have...both of them grace my library. Clearly, YOU have not.

I use Obozo's books for toilet paper.

 

[GreenBean]

s-t-u-p-i-d

So you think they're gonna nominate "stupid" ? ... which one Kerry or Clinton or another stupid Democrat ?

Didn't get it, did you?

Nope - guess not - so you meant that an electiuon in 2016 would be stupid - because we already have an Emperor-King The Ayatollah Obama .

 

[GreenBean]

If the dems continue to support obama's failed marxism and run the failed secstate Hillary, then the GOP could very easily take over the senate, keep the house, and take the whitehouse.

The american people are fed up with being lied to and having the country run by incompetent, arrogant, narcsssistic big-government thugs.

Enjoy it while you can dems, obama has sealed your coffins.

He's got a way to go yet before he's sealed it as solidly as Bush sealed the Republican coffin.

opinions are like assholes--everyone has one. we will see who is right in 14 and 16.

face it, obama has been a disappointment to you lefties. He has failed economically, fiscally, and internationally. He is the worst president in our history. He makes Carter look like a wizard.

Plus, obama is the first american president who does not love this country and what it stands for. Soetoro and mooshelle hate this country and want to punish it for its greed and for having slavery.

It has been a long held tenet of anarchists , communist and the assorted left wing bag of nuts that their ideologies can not succeed unless America Fails /Collapse ... are we watching that collapse in progress ? ... and is it orchestrated by the very people we trusted to govern our Country ?

 

[GreenBean]

as to obama hating this country-----have you read his books?

I have...both of them grace my library. Clearly, YOU have not.

I use Obozo's books for toilet paper.

Use Hillaries - it's much cheaper .