Are democrats intentionally trying to lose the 2016 election?

[Redfish]

Problem is the current Republicans cannot achieve balance. They are selling something America does not want.

The Republicans of old were the preferred party of the middle class. They are now just a party of angry old white men

Hard to achieve balance like that

thats your talking point, but its just not true.....are the following old angry white men? Rand Paul, Rubio, Cruz, Cantor, Ryan, Jeb Bush, Kelly Ayotte, Nicky Haley, Jindal, Cain, West, Dineen Borelli.

The problem in congress and DC today is that obama and the dems want to rule by dictate but since they don't have the house they are not able to do that.

The house has passed several budget bills in the last 5 years, Reid has not let a single one come to the senate floor for debate or a vote--------why? are he and obama afraid that one might pass?

Reid is under no obligation to forward bills that have no chance of passing the Senate. Republicans need to pass budgets without poison pills like......Repeal Obamacare

right, Reid has no obligation to do the business of the country. the budget bills did not contain repeal of obamacare. please stop the lies and the blind defense of the incompetent Reid

 

[rightwinger]

thats your talking point, but its just not true.....are the following old angry white men? Rand Paul, Rubio, Cruz, Cantor, Ryan, Jeb Bush, Kelly Ayotte, Nicky Haley, Jindal, Cain, West, Dineen Borelli.

The problem in congress and DC today is that obama and the dems want to rule by dictate but since they don't have the house they are not able to do that.

The house has passed several budget bills in the last 5 years, Reid has not let a single one come to the senate floor for debate or a vote--------why? are he and obama afraid that one might pass?

Reid is under no obligation to forward bills that have no chance of passing the Senate. Republicans need to pass budgets without poison pills like......Repeal Obamacare

right, Reid has no obligation to do the business of the country. the budget bills did not contain repeal of obamacare. please stop the lies and the blind defense of the incompetent Reid

The, business of this country is not crafting bills that appease a small percentage of the radical right. The budget bills crafted by Republicans contained a hodge podge of crap meant to appease the radical right. including a repeal of Obamacare
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None of those budgets had a prayer of passing and Boehner knew it

 

[Redfish]

Reid is under no obligation to forward bills that have no chance of passing the Senate. Republicans need to pass budgets without poison pills like......Repeal Obamacare

right, Reid has no obligation to do the business of the country. the budget bills did not contain repeal of obamacare. please stop the lies and the blind defense of the incompetent Reid

The, business of this country is not crafting bills that appease a small percentage of the radical right. The budget bills crafted by Republicans contained a hodge podge of crap meant to appease the radical right. including a repeal of Obamacare
o
None of those budgets had a prayer of passing and Boehner knew it

The process is that the house passes a budget bill, the senate debates and/or votes on it. If it does not pass the senate a conference committee is set up to come up with a compromise bill that both houses can pass.

Reid refused to let any bill get to step 2. He should be impeached for not doing his job and wasting the taxpayers money.

It works the same way no matter which party controls the house. Reid, with obama's approval, is not doing the business of the country. FACT

 

[expatriate]

right, Reid has no obligation to do the business of the country. the budget bills did not contain repeal of obamacare. please stop the lies and the blind defense of the incompetent Reid

The, business of this country is not crafting bills that appease a small percentage of the radical right. The budget bills crafted by Republicans contained a hodge podge of crap meant to appease the radical right. including a repeal of Obamacare
o
None of those budgets had a prayer of passing and Boehner knew it

The process is that the house passes a budget bill, the senate debates and/or votes on it. If it does not pass the senate a conference committee is set up to come up with a compromise bill that both houses can pass.

Reid refused to let any bill get to step 2. He should be impeached for not doing his job and wasting the taxpayers money.

It works the same way no matter which party controls the house. Reid, with obama's approval, is not doing the business of the country. FACT

if Harry doesn't have 60 votes in the senate, he cannot bring any bill up for a final vote. Without a final vote up or down, there cannot be a conference committee. He can count. Obviously, you can't.

 

[birddog]

WOW! Blasting Leftwingers around here is like "shootin fish in a barrel!" lol

 

[Redfish]

The, business of this country is not crafting bills that appease a small percentage of the radical right. The budget bills crafted by Republicans contained a hodge podge of crap meant to appease the radical right. including a repeal of Obamacare
o
None of those budgets had a prayer of passing and Boehner knew it

The process is that the house passes a budget bill, the senate debates and/or votes on it. If it does not pass the senate a conference committee is set up to come up with a compromise bill that both houses can pass.

Reid refused to let any bill get to step 2. He should be impeached for not doing his job and wasting the taxpayers money.

It works the same way no matter which party controls the house. Reid, with obama's approval, is not doing the business of the country. FACT

if Harry doesn't have 60 votes in the senate, he cannot bring any bill up for a final vote. Without a final vote up or down, there cannot be a conference committee. He can count. Obviously, you can't.

If he gets 60 votes on a bill passed by the house, there is no need for a conference committee, the bill has passed and is sent to the president. civics 101.

thats what Reid is afraid of, that a house passed budget might be passed by the senate and then obama would have to live by a budget---or veto the bill.

Reid's job is to protect obama, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Redfish]

WOW! Blasting Leftwingers around here is like "shootin fish in a barrel!" lol

If is fun

 

[Redfish]

The process is that the house passes a budget bill, the senate debates and/or votes on it. If it does not pass the senate a conference committee is set up to come up with a compromise bill that both houses can pass.

Reid refused to let any bill get to step 2. He should be impeached for not doing his job and wasting the taxpayers money.

It works the same way no matter which party controls the house. Reid, with obama's approval, is not doing the business of the country. FACT

if Harry doesn't have 60 votes in the senate, he cannot bring any bill up for a final vote. Without a final vote up or down, there cannot be a conference committee. He can count. Obviously, you can't.

If he gets 60 votes on a bill passed by the house, there is no need for a conference committee, the bill has passed and is sent to the president. civics 101.

thats what Reid is afraid of, that a house passed budget might be passed by the senate and then obama would have to live by a budget---or veto the bill.

Reid's job is to protect obama, nothing more nothing less.

waiting for your apology and admission of error, expat. take a swig ot tequila and admit that you were full of shit in your earlier post. admiting that you were wrong will make you sleep better.

 

[kiwiman127]

The process is that the house passes a budget bill, the senate debates and/or votes on it. If it does not pass the senate a conference committee is set up to come up with a compromise bill that both houses can pass.

Reid refused to let any bill get to step 2. He should be impeached for not doing his job and wasting the taxpayers money.

It works the same way no matter which party controls the house. Reid, with obama's approval, is not doing the business of the country. FACT

if Harry doesn't have 60 votes in the senate, he cannot bring any bill up for a final vote. Without a final vote up or down, there cannot be a conference committee. He can count. Obviously, you can't.

If he gets 60 votes on a bill passed by the house, there is no need for a co between the House and Senatenference committee, the bill has passed and is sent to the president. civics 101.

thats what Reid is afraid of, that a house passed budget might be passed by the senate and then obama would have to live by a budget---or veto the bill.

Reid's job is to protect obama, nothing more nothing less.

Obviously, the process is going to need a conference committee when the House is GOP and the Senate is Dem. Considering the widen ideological polar differences between the two, there is no way the Senate will ever pass any legislation that is overloaded with far right agenda legislation.
To expect less is plain delusional. There have been several occasions when one party controlled both houses and still needed conference committee interaction often.

 

[expatriate]

if Harry doesn't have 60 votes in the senate, he cannot bring any bill up for a final vote. Without a final vote up or down, there cannot be a conference committee. He can count. Obviously, you can't.

If he gets 60 votes on a bill passed by the house, there is no need for a conference committee, the bill has passed and is sent to the president. civics 101.

thats what Reid is afraid of, that a house passed budget might be passed by the senate and then obama would have to live by a budget---or veto the bill.

Reid's job is to protect obama, nothing more nothing less.

waiting for your apology and admission of error, expat. take a swig ot tequila and admit that you were full of shit in your earlier post. admiting that you were wrong will make you sleep better.

If he doesn't have 60 votes, he can't even bring it up for final passage in the senate. that's what a filibuster is... a continuation of debate so that a vote cannot be taken. He could PASS the house budget with only 51 votes (if 51 senators wanted to pass it, that is), but he will always need 60 senators who are willing to have the bill proceed to a vote.

See how that works?

 

[Redfish]

If he gets 60 votes on a bill passed by the house, there is no need for a conference committee, the bill has passed and is sent to the president. civics 101.

thats what Reid is afraid of, that a house passed budget might be passed by the senate and then obama would have to live by a budget---or veto the bill.

Reid's job is to protect obama, nothing more nothing less.

waiting for your apology and admission of error, expat. take a swig ot tequila and admit that you were full of shit in your earlier post. admiting that you were wrong will make you sleep better.

If he doesn't have 60 votes, he can't even bring it up for final passage in the senate. that's what a filibuster is... a continuation of debate so that a vote cannot be taken. He could PASS the house budget with only 51 votes (if 51 senators wanted to pass it, that is), but he will always need 60 senators who are willing to have the bill proceed to a vote.

See how that works?

yeah, but thats not what you said earlier. apology accepted.

 

[Redfish]

If he gets 60 votes on a bill passed by the house, there is no need for a conference committee, the bill has passed and is sent to the president. civics 101.

thats what Reid is afraid of, that a house passed budget might be passed by the senate and then obama would have to live by a budget---or veto the bill.

Reid's job is to protect obama, nothing more nothing less.

waiting for your apology and admission of error, expat. take a swig ot tequila and admit that you were full of shit in your earlier post. admiting that you were wrong will make you sleep better.

If he doesn't have 60 votes, he can't even bring it up for final passage in the senate. that's what a filibuster is... a continuation of debate so that a vote cannot be taken. He could PASS the house budget with only 51 votes (if 51 senators wanted to pass it, that is), but he will always need 60 senators who are willing to have the bill proceed to a vote.

See how that works?

yes, but thats not what was being discussed. expat said that Reid needed 60 votes in order to bring a bill up in the senate. He was either mistaken or misstated it. Since its early morning I will assume he just said it wrong.

 

[Redfish]

Back to topic.

Who thinks that Obama, Holder, and Reid are helping the dems chances in 2016? If so, how?

 

[zeke]

Back to topic.

Who thinks that Obama, Holder, and Reid are helping the dems chances in 2016? If so, how?

Not me. But I do think the do nothing Rethugs are doing a GREAT job of assuring that a Dem is elected. Thank you. But please, no Hillary.

 

[JoeB131]

Back to topic.

Who thinks that Obama, Holder, and Reid are helping the dems chances in 2016? If so, how?

WHy do they need to be helping or hurting.

Shit, Bill Clinton had the most awesome economy in forever and a 67% approval rating, and Al Gore still lost.

At the end of the day, whoever the Democrat candidate is in 2016, he (or she) will have to rise and fall on his (or her) own.

If the economy is in really good shape, the Democrat will probably win, because the GOP has lost its reputation for sanity and competnence.

The unfortunate side effect of 2012 was that the crazies could look at Mitt Romney and say, "Well, he wasn't a 'real' conservative, that's why he lost!"

 

[Redfish]

Back to topic.

Who thinks that Obama, Holder, and Reid are helping the dems chances in 2016? If so, how?

WHy do they need to be helping or hurting.

Shit, Bill Clinton had the most awesome economy in forever and a 67% approval rating, and Al Gore still lost.

At the end of the day, whoever the Democrat candidate is in 2016, he (or she) will have to rise and fall on his (or her) own.

If the economy is in really good shape, the Democrat will probably win, because the GOP has lost its reputation for sanity and competnence.

The unfortunate side effect of 2012 was that the crazies could look at Mitt Romney and say, "Well, he wasn't a 'real' conservative, that's why he lost!"

This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

 

[rightwinger]

Back to topic.

Who thinks that Obama, Holder, and Reid are helping the dems chances in 2016? If so, how?

WHy do they need to be helping or hurting.

Shit, Bill Clinton had the most awesome economy in forever and a 67% approval rating, and Al Gore still lost.

At the end of the day, whoever the Democrat candidate is in 2016, he (or she) will have to rise and fall on his (or her) own.

If the economy is in really good shape, the Democrat will probably win, because the GOP has lost its reputation for sanity and competnence.

The unfortunate side effect of 2012 was that the crazies could look at Mitt Romney and say, "Well, he wasn't a 'real' conservative, that's why he lost!"

This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

You are correct, the country does usually run on 4-8 year cycles but there are exceptions.
When one party really pisses off the electorate, they sit on the sidelines for a long time
After the Civil War it was 30 years before another Democrat was elected
After the Great Depression it was 20 years before another Republican was elected
After Jimmy Carter it took 12 years to elect another Democrat

How sour are Americans on the GOP? The stink of Bush still lingers and Republicans have done little to distance themselves

 

[Seawytch]

Back to topic.

Who thinks that Obama, Holder, and Reid are helping the dems chances in 2016? If so, how?

WHy do they need to be helping or hurting.

Shit, Bill Clinton had the most awesome economy in forever and a 67% approval rating, and Al Gore still lost.

At the end of the day, whoever the Democrat candidate is in 2016, he (or she) will have to rise and fall on his (or her) own.

If the economy is in really good shape, the Democrat will probably win, because the GOP has lost its reputation for sanity and competnence.

The unfortunate side effect of 2012 was that the crazies could look at Mitt Romney and say, "Well, he wasn't a 'real' conservative, that's why he lost!"

This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

When you refer to our very moderate President as a Marxist, you get the "crazy" label.

 

[JoeB131]

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This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Meaningless labels. The Capitalists do better under the Democrats than they do under the REpublicans.

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Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

Except for the last one, None of those reasons were why he won.

He won for three reasons.
1) People were sick of George Bush's War in Iraq, a war based on a lie, and they rejected those who had helped Bush facilitate it (Hillary as well as McCain.)
2) Bush competely and utterly wrecked the economy.
3) Katrina showed what Limited Government means- Government that isn't there when you really need it.

[
when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

If half the country is too stupid to realize it is voting against its own interests, then they deserve scorn. And I say that as someone who voted against his own interests for years... until I got a very nasty wakeup call in 2007.

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people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

Whenever you guys talk about "Freedom", it usually means, "My right to engage in douchy behavior."

Again, the Koch brothers spend a lot of money on this brainwashing, so you are to be excused.

[
those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

Now, you might have a point here, if you weren't so deluded.

The person who collects unemployment benefits is the same one who has scorn for a working family that gets SNAP and Medicaid because their earnings fall below the poverty line. They will also insist their grandmother get her full social security benefit. But them Welfare People.

 

[Redfish]

WHy do they need to be helping or hurting.

Shit, Bill Clinton had the most awesome economy in forever and a 67% approval rating, and Al Gore still lost.

At the end of the day, whoever the Democrat candidate is in 2016, he (or she) will have to rise and fall on his (or her) own.

If the economy is in really good shape, the Democrat will probably win, because the GOP has lost its reputation for sanity and competnence.

The unfortunate side effect of 2012 was that the crazies could look at Mitt Romney and say, "Well, he wasn't a 'real' conservative, that's why he lost!"

This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

When you refer to our very moderate President as a Marxist, you get the "crazy" label.

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama " Iwant to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

obama is not a moderate-------he is an extreme marxist collectivist, with a large dose of racism added in.