Are democrats intentionally trying to lose the 2016 election?

[Redfish]

WHy do they need to be helping or hurting.

Shit, Bill Clinton had the most awesome economy in forever and a 67% approval rating, and Al Gore still lost.

At the end of the day, whoever the Democrat candidate is in 2016, he (or she) will have to rise and fall on his (or her) own.

If the economy is in really good shape, the Democrat will probably win, because the GOP has lost its reputation for sanity and competnence.

The unfortunate side effect of 2012 was that the crazies could look at Mitt Romney and say, "Well, he wasn't a 'real' conservative, that's why he lost!"

This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

You are correct, the country does usually run on 4-8 year cycles but there are exceptions.
When one party really pisses off the electorate, they sit on the sidelines for a long time
After the Civil War it was 30 years before another Democrat was elected
After the Great Depression it was 20 years before another Republican was elected
After Jimmy Carter it took 12 years to elect another Democrat

How sour are Americans on the GOP? The stink of Bush still lingers and Republicans have done little to distance themselves

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

 

[Seawytch]

This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

When you refer to our very moderate President as a Marxist, you get the "crazy" label.

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama " Iwant to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

obama is not a moderate-------he is an extreme marxist collectivist, with a large dose of racism added in.

Don't like the label, don't act crazy.

Calling President Obama a Marxist, Socialist, Communist or even a Kenyan puts you in the crazy box. He's none of those things. He is an American President duly elected (twice), trying to do what is best for the country. You may disagree with his policy choices for doing that, but that doesn't make him any of those things you claim.

It's no different than those that referred to Bush as a Nazi Fascist for disagreeing with his policies.

 

[Redfish]

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This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Meaningless labels. The Capitalists do better under the Democrats than they do under the REpublicans.

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Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

Except for the last one, None of those reasons were why he won.

He won for three reasons.
1) People were sick of George Bush's War in Iraq, a war based on a lie, and they rejected those who had helped Bush facilitate it (Hillary as well as McCain.)
2) Bush competely and utterly wrecked the economy.
3) Katrina showed what Limited Government means- Government that isn't there when you really need it.





If half the country is too stupid to realize it is voting against its own interests, then they deserve scorn. And I say that as someone who voted against his own interests for years... until I got a very nasty wakeup call in 2007.

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people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

Whenever you guys talk about "Freedom", it usually means, "My right to engage in douchy behavior."

Again, the Koch brothers spend a lot of money on this brainwashing, so you are to be excused.

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those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

Now, you might have a point here, if you weren't so deluded.

The person who collects unemployment benefits is the same one who has scorn for a working family that gets SNAP and Medicaid because their earnings fall below the poverty line. They will also insist their grandmother get her full social security benefit. But them Welfare People.

let me refute a couple of your nonsensical points.

Obama continued the iraq fiasco, dems authorized and funded it, bush did not do it on his own

the fannie/freddie housing fiasco wrecked the economy, yes, bush let it happen. but if yoiu want to blame someone, blame the dems who insisted that mortgages be given to people who could never make the payments

freedom means that I can live as I want and you can live as you want and the govt will leave both of us alone. freedom means that states can set their moral codes based on the will of a majority of the citizens of each state. freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail

unemployment and welfare were not intended to be lifetime sources of income. people on SS paid into the program, SS is not welfare.

 

[Redfish]

When you refer to our very moderate President as a Marxist, you get the "crazy" label.

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama " Iwant to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

obama is not a moderate-------he is an extreme marxist collectivist, with a large dose of racism added in.

Don't like the label, don't act crazy.

Calling President Obama a Marxist, Socialist, Communist or even a Kenyan puts you in the crazy box. He's none of those things. He is an American President duly elected (twice), trying to do what is best for the country. You may disagree with his policy choices for doing that, but that doesn't make him any of those things you claim.

It's no different than those that referred to Bush as a Nazi Fascist for disagreeing with his policies.

have you read obama's books? have you read the works of his self-declared mentors? have you listened to the sermons of his preacher for 20 years? have you followed chicago politics? have you watched him bow to the saudi king? have you watched him pander to radical muslims? have you watched him stir up racial tensions at every opportunity?

He is following the Alinsky 'rules for radicals' to the letter, and people like you refuse to see the truth because you cannot admit that you were lied to and bought into the lies.

 

[Seawytch]

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

And the GOP in Congress is at 9%. Hillary beats Rubio among Latinos...in Texas AND Florida. You might want to rethink that claim about who is pissing off the electorate.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

We will stop blaming Bush for the economy he crashed....as soon as y'all start.

 

[JoeB131]

let me refute a couple of your nonsensical points.

Obama continued the iraq fiasco, dems authorized and funded it, bush did not do it on his own

Obama continued on with an established plan to extricate us from that mess. But he did what he promised, he got us out.

For Congress. Yes, the president came to congress with data showing Saddam was making nukes and was going to give them to terrorists. What were they supposed to do, exactly?

the fannie/freddie housing fiasco wrecked the economy, yes, bush let it happen. but if yoiu want to blame someone, blame the dems who insisted that mortgages be given to people who could never make the payments

Freddie/Fannie were an effect, not a cause. The Cause was not a poor person getting a house, it was a middle class person buying overpriced houses hoping to flip them in 2 years. A lot of money vanished into houses that weren't worth anything.

freedom means that I can live as I want and you can live as you want and the govt will leave both of us alone. freedom means that states can set their moral codes based on the will of a majority of the citizens of each state. freedom includes both the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail

So let me get this straight. YOu are all for freedom to live as you like. Unless you are gay or something or otherwise offend your state's "moral code". What if my Moral Code is that we shouldn't let people live in mansions while there are children starving?

Which is a much better moral code than worry about which orafice people are sticking their dicks in.

unemployment and welfare were not intended to be lifetime sources of income. people on SS paid into the program, SS is not welfare.

Actually, it really is. You will get back everything you paid into Social Security if you retire at 65 and live to be 72. After that, other people are paying your way. So it is a form of welfare.

Incidently, most people on welfare are not on it "for life".

 

[Seawytch]

Marx "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama " Iwant to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

obama is not a moderate-------he is an extreme marxist collectivist, with a large dose of racism added in.

Don't like the label, don't act crazy.

Calling President Obama a Marxist, Socialist, Communist or even a Kenyan puts you in the crazy box. He's none of those things. He is an American President duly elected (twice), trying to do what is best for the country. You may disagree with his policy choices for doing that, but that doesn't make him any of those things you claim.

It's no different than those that referred to Bush as a Nazi Fascist for disagreeing with his policies.

have you read obama's books? have you read the works of his self-declared mentors? have you listened to the sermons of his preacher for 20 years? have you followed chicago politics? have you watched him bow to the saudi king? have you watched him pander to radical muslims? have you watched him stir up racial tensions at every opportunity?

He is following the Alinsky 'rules for radicals' to the letter, and people like you refuse to see the truth because you cannot admit that you were lied to and bought into the lies.

Ah....a Glen Beck fan. I'm just waiting for the inevitable "Soros!!!" (It's like right wing Tourette's).

 

[rightwinger]

This country swings like on 4-8 year cycles. We try the dems and then we try the reps, we try socialism and then we try capitalism.

Obama won in 08 and 12 for several reasons:

black pride
white guilt
biased media
weak GOP candidates
well run dem campaigns
poorly run GOP campaigns

when you characterize anyone who does not support obama and his marxism as "crazies" then you are just continuing the alienation of half of the country.

people who want constitutional government, low taxes, and freedom are not crazy. They are the foundation of this nation.

those who see half the country on govt handouts as a good thing are the ones who are truly crazy.

You are correct, the country does usually run on 4-8 year cycles but there are exceptions.
When one party really pisses off the electorate, they sit on the sidelines for a long time
After the Civil War it was 30 years before another Democrat was elected
After the Great Depression it was 20 years before another Republican was elected
After Jimmy Carter it took 12 years to elect another Democrat

How sour are Americans on the GOP? The stink of Bush still lingers and Republicans have done little to distance themselves

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

Obamas approval rating has been consistently in the 47-50% range
The approval rating of the Republican Party is in the 30s

 

[JoeB131]

You are correct, the country does usually run on 4-8 year cycles but there are exceptions.
When one party really pisses off the electorate, they sit on the sidelines for a long time
After the Civil War it was 30 years before another Democrat was elected
After the Great Depression it was 20 years before another Republican was elected
After Jimmy Carter it took 12 years to elect another Democrat

How sour are Americans on the GOP? The stink of Bush still lingers and Republicans have done little to distance themselves

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

Obamas approval rating has been consistently in the 47-50% range
The approval rating of the Republican Party is in the 30s

What amazes me is that a third party hasn't emerged.

 

[Redfish]

You are correct, the country does usually run on 4-8 year cycles but there are exceptions.
When one party really pisses off the electorate, they sit on the sidelines for a long time
After the Civil War it was 30 years before another Democrat was elected
After the Great Depression it was 20 years before another Republican was elected
After Jimmy Carter it took 12 years to elect another Democrat

How sour are Americans on the GOP? The stink of Bush still lingers and Republicans have done little to distance themselves

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

Obamas approval rating has been consistently in the 47-50% range
The approval rating of the Republican Party is in the 30s

and congress has an approval rating of 11%. notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I agree that the GOP needs to step up and fix itself, if it does not, a viable third party may come into existence.

this is not really about party-----------its about liberalism/progressivism vs conservatism/capitalism. The country can go either way in the next few years. Europe tried liberalism/progressivism and it failed, we can learn from that or we can become a large version of Greece.

 

[Redfish]

Don't like the label, don't act crazy.

Calling President Obama a Marxist, Socialist, Communist or even a Kenyan puts you in the crazy box. He's none of those things. He is an American President duly elected (twice), trying to do what is best for the country. You may disagree with his policy choices for doing that, but that doesn't make him any of those things you claim.

It's no different than those that referred to Bush as a Nazi Fascist for disagreeing with his policies.

have you read obama's books? have you read the works of his self-declared mentors? have you listened to the sermons of his preacher for 20 years? have you followed chicago politics? have you watched him bow to the saudi king? have you watched him pander to radical muslims? have you watched him stir up racial tensions at every opportunity?

He is following the Alinsky 'rules for radicals' to the letter, and people like you refuse to see the truth because you cannot admit that you were lied to and bought into the lies.

Ah....a Glen Beck fan. I'm just waiting for the inevitable "Soros!!!" (It's like right wing Tourette's).

LOL Koch brothers-------the left wing tourettes. works both ways twychey

Beck is a bit of a loon, but he has been right about a lot of this crap.

 

[Redfish]

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

And the GOP in Congress is at 9%. Hillary beats Rubio among Latinos...in Texas AND Florida. You might want to rethink that claim about who is pissing off the electorate.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

We will stop blaming Bush for the economy he crashed....as soon as y'all start.

Funny, you claim that obama is not responsible for the economy while he has been in office, but bush gets the total blame while he was in office. hypocrisy much?

 

[rightwinger]

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

Obamas approval rating has been consistently in the 47-50% range
The approval rating of the Republican Party is in the 30s

and congress has an approval rating of 11%. notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I agree that the GOP needs to step up and fix itself, if it does not, a viable third party may come into existence.

this is not really about party-----------its about liberalism/progressivism vs conservatism/capitalism. The country can go either way in the next few years. Europe tried liberalism/progressivism and it failed, we can learn from that or we can become a large version of Greece.

It is entirely about party. The Republican party has sold out to its extreme right which is causing them to run unelectable candidates

The GOP is setting itself up as a party of regionalized strongholds that is trying to rule from the minority

 

[Redfish]

Obamas approval rating has been consistently in the 47-50% range
The approval rating of the Republican Party is in the 30s

and congress has an approval rating of 11%. notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I agree that the GOP needs to step up and fix itself, if it does not, a viable third party may come into existence.

this is not really about party-----------its about liberalism/progressivism vs conservatism/capitalism. The country can go either way in the next few years. Europe tried liberalism/progressivism and it failed, we can learn from that or we can become a large version of Greece.

It is entirely about party. The Republican party has sold out to its extreme right which is causing them to run unelectable candidates

The GOP is setting itself up as a party of regionalized strongholds that is trying to rule from the minority

Bullshit-----are you calling McCain and Romney extreme right???????? WTF

republicans lost because they tried to become democrats, they lost their principles, they bought the media lies.

you may be right, it may be too late. but if you are right, this country is over as a free democratic republic, we will become a virtual monarchy to one party rule.

If you think that is good, then you and I are from different planets.

 

[JoeB131]

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and congress has an approval rating of 11%. notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I.

The 47% pay no taxes is a myth.

It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes

The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work.

The myth that the wealthy are carrying the tax burden for America is used to justify tax cuts for the rich. Conservatives use the inaccurate statistic hand in hand with their, “wealthy are the job creators argument.” One statistic that was intended to demonstrate the loss of income due to the recession, along with the impact of the Obama tax cuts has been distorted and misused to justify a policy of not asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share.

The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes. In one recession strapped year (2009), less than half of single filer taxpayers paid federal income taxes.

 

[Seawytch]

since obama's approval rating is at 47% I would say that the party pissing off a majority of the electorate is the dems.

And the GOP in Congress is at 9%. Hillary beats Rubio among Latinos...in Texas AND Florida. You might want to rethink that claim about who is pissing off the electorate.

You can continue to blame Bush as a diversion from the massive failure that is obama if you wish. But no one is listening.

We will stop blaming Bush for the economy he crashed....as soon as y'all start.

Funny, you claim that obama is not responsible for the economy while he has been in office, but bush gets the total blame while he was in office. hypocrisy much?

I didn't say that. I give much credit to President Obama's policies for digging us out of the hole we were in. We went from losing 750,000 jobs a month when Bush left office to over two straight years of job gains in the private sector. I think the DOW has more than doubled too. If President Obama had an (R) next to his name, you'd be shouting that kind of success from the rooftops.

I do blame the GOP for us not having as robust a recovery as we could be having and for the drag on the unemployment numbers. If public sector employment was at the same levels they were under, oh say, Bush or Reagan...we'd be a percentage or two lower. Then there was that debt ceiling debacle...

 

[Seawytch]

and congress has an approval rating of 11%. notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I agree that the GOP needs to step up and fix itself, if it does not, a viable third party may come into existence.

this is not really about party-----------its about liberalism/progressivism vs conservatism/capitalism. The country can go either way in the next few years. Europe tried liberalism/progressivism and it failed, we can learn from that or we can become a large version of Greece.

It is entirely about party. The Republican party has sold out to its extreme right which is causing them to run unelectable candidates

The GOP is setting itself up as a party of regionalized strongholds that is trying to rule from the minority

Bullshit-----are you calling McCain and Romney extreme right???????? WTF

republicans lost because they tried to become democrats, they lost their principles, they bought the media lies.

you may be right, it may be too late. but if you are right, this country is over as a free democratic republic, we will become a virtual monarchy to one party rule.

If you think that is good, then you and I are from different planets.

No, but they have to pander to them to win primaries...turning off the rest of the Country. You can't Etch-A-Sketch your way out of some things.

 

[Redfish]

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and congress has an approval rating of 11%. Notice how the 47% correlates to the % who pay no federal taxes--------ya think thats just coincidence?

I.

the 47% pay no taxes is a myth.

it's a myth that 47% of americans pay no taxes, in truth 86% pay taxes

the actual number of americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work.

The myth that the wealthy are carrying the tax burden for america is used to justify tax cuts for the rich. Conservatives use the inaccurate statistic hand in hand with their, “wealthy are the job creators argument.” one statistic that was intended to demonstrate the loss of income due to the recession, along with the impact of the obama tax cuts has been distorted and misused to justify a policy of not asking the wealthiest americans to pay their fair share.

The truth is that 86% of americans pay taxes. In one recession strapped year (2009), less than half of single filer taxpayers paid federal income taxes.

no federal income taxes---------thats the statistic. No one has ever claimed that 47% pay no sales taxes, property taxes etc.

Your spin fails again.

 

[Redfish]

And the GOP in Congress is at 9%. Hillary beats Rubio among Latinos...in Texas AND Florida. You might want to rethink that claim about who is pissing off the electorate.



We will stop blaming Bush for the economy he crashed....as soon as y'all start.

Funny, you claim that obama is not responsible for the economy while he has been in office, but bush gets the total blame while he was in office. hypocrisy much?

I didn't say that. I give much credit to President Obama's policies for digging us out of the hole we were in. We went from losing 750,000 jobs a month when Bush left office to over two straight years of job gains in the private sector. I think the DOW has more than doubled too. If President Obama had an (R) next to his name, you'd be shouting that kind of success from the rooftops.

I do blame the GOP for us not having as robust a recovery as we could be having and for the drag on the unemployment numbers. If public sector employment was at the same levels they were under, oh say, Bush or Reagan...we'd be a percentage or two lower. Then there was that debt ceiling debacle...

YAAAAAAAAAA more talking points. unemployment has stayed around 8%, real unemployment is around 15%, more on welfare than ever before, more on food stamps than ever before, more below the poverty level than ever before. There is no recovery. we are going further in debt at the rate of a trillion a year, obamacare is causing businesses to lay off people and/or cut their hours.

obama's fiscal policies are an unprecedented disaster. wake up and smell reality.

 

[Redfish]

It is entirely about party. The Republican party has sold out to its extreme right which is causing them to run unelectable candidates

The GOP is setting itself up as a party of regionalized strongholds that is trying to rule from the minority

Bullshit-----are you calling McCain and Romney extreme right???????? WTF

republicans lost because they tried to become democrats, they lost their principles, they bought the media lies.

you may be right, it may be too late. but if you are right, this country is over as a free democratic republic, we will become a virtual monarchy to one party rule.

If you think that is good, then you and I are from different planets.

No, but they have to pander to them to win primaries...turning off the rest of the Country. You can't Etch-A-Sketch your way out of some things.

more bullshit, the far right stayed home during the last two election cycles. and thats fine, I wish the fringers on both sides would stay home--------but the far left rules the dem party, they control their every move.