Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites? Most Americans Say Yes

[katsteve2012]

Feigned affront
vs.
The following - the first image should be very familiar to some of you - what were you all saying about "that's the past"? I'd swear I've heard some of these "slogans" as recently as the last 30 days)

Hate is hate, and henious crimes are henious crimes no matter what color you are. Now go and get all the tragic cases of hate crimes and murder over the years be it white or black victims involved.

Those you noted above are definitely tragic and sad for sure, and most in America find such history and current events deplorable.

Dwelling on the past when the majority is moving on from it, does make the motives appear suspect when asking for money and such to be distributed to individuals that are not true to the causes of abolishing racism. Sadly they may actually take the money in order to fuel the hate and vengeful thinking of those who would use the past for evil intent and purposes, instead of truly using it as a way for all here to continue to heal by finally someday being unified, and not instead being divided.

This section of USMB is a high definition exhibition of how the majority hasn't moved past a damn thing. And if you want us to stop asking for reparations then stop paying Native Americans reparations for things that happened in the past.

Or drop that argument.

1) This is an exhibition of how YOU haven't moved past a damned thing, and the majority has moved past caring about your whining and sniveling.

2) We don't pay reparations to Native Americans, Chuckles. You're talking out of your ass. Again.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

 

[Humorme]

FWIW:

You called me a coward. The buck stops there. Okay. The reality is since I was a young kid, I've been willing to meet anyone, at any time. Going on an all black forum is not cowardice. It would be the same as calling you chickenshit for not taking your racist tripe to a Klan rally and showing up alone.

When I was growing up, there are some things you did not say to another man. It usually meant you were shopping for a fight. Today, people like you can say idiotic things and I accept personal challenges, then I'm accused of threatening people. That is why, man to man, you spew shit you don't have the balls to say to people's face. IF you meant to call me out, you'd have done so in a PM. So, if you see a coward, it's the one that looks at you in the mirror every day.

For years I sponsored public meetings twice a month. I've been on tv, radio, and in newspapers. The last guy who made the same claims as you on this board is a National Socialist. He was so gutless that he shoots through my kitchen window. So, Klan with a tan, blow smoke all you like, but YOU are the one who wants me to walk into an ambush because you've proven that YOU can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds are stacked against me 10 to 1. You are spineless and you don't have even a portion of the truth.

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

Feigned affront
vs.
The following - the first image should be very familiar to some of you - what were you all saying about "that's the past"? I'd swear I've heard some of these "slogans" as recently as the last 30 days)

Hate is hate, and henious crimes are henious crimes no matter what color you are. Now go and get all the tragic cases of hate crimes and murder over the years be it white or black victims involved.

Those you noted above are definitely tragic and sad for sure, and most in America find such history and current events deplorable.

Dwelling on the past when the majority is moving on from it, does make the motives appear suspect when asking for money and such to be distributed to individuals that are not true to the causes of abolishing racism. Sadly they may actually take the money in order to fuel the hate and vengeful thinking of those who would use the past for evil intent and purposes, instead of truly using it as a way for all here to continue to heal by finally someday being unified, and not instead being divided.

This section of USMB is a high definition exhibition of how the majority hasn't moved past a damn thing. And if you want us to stop asking for reparations then stop paying Native Americans reparations for things that happened in the past.

Or drop that argument.

1) This is an exhibition of how YOU haven't moved past a damned thing, and the majority has moved past caring about your whining and sniveling.

2) We don't pay reparations to Native Americans, Chuckles. You're talking out of your ass. Again.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

 

[Correll]

Now you are characterizing my not answering a question, (and you assuming the answer), to participating in a Klan rally.

That is insane of you.

INSANE.

So I take it you don't understand the concept of an analogy?

My answer obviously shows that I do understand what an analogy is, and that I am pointing out, not only is your analogy a terrible analogy, but reveals that you are insane.

But what's even more interesting is you took exception to the Klan rally but not the one regarding child molestation. Most people would consider falsely being accused of being a child molester to be the "vile" accusation of the two

It's only interesting is you invent a cause in your mind.

And ignore other possibilities, that since we are discussing race, I picked the one that had SOMETHING to do with the topic, kind of sort of.


OR ignore that it would have added nothing to the conversation to address BOTH of your insane analogies.

AND that you tend to ramble on, and that it is reasonable that someone would ignore a lot of your crap and try to focus on your actual points. (you do make points, as opposed to some of your lefty buddies, I will give you that, you just bury them in mounds of filler)

Such behavior casts an interesting light on your posts in this thread, assuming that various whites are committing discrimination, or claiming that you fight for the rights of whites.

TO be clear, it reveals that your ability to rationally and fairly judge whites, is zero.

My problem is not with white people at all, just with you specifically and people like you.

BUT, I've done nothing to justify your problem, other than not agreeing with you on race and having white skin. It that is all it takes for a white person to be judged so harshly, with no actual evidence,

then you have a problem with white people.

And your objectivity, judgement and claims to fight for the rights of whites, is revealed to be not credible.


[/QUOTE] ....It was not one single event, comment or failure to answer a question, it's been your fairly consistent stance on this topic with no interest in viewing it from any other angle than the one you've deemed correct. [/QUOTE]



Consistent how and what? Nothing that would fit the definition of racism, that's for sure.

And just in case you think it escaped my notice I did note how when I posted 3 links to current racial discrimination cases in Connecticut which all has all of the same anti-discrimination laws as well as federal laws as the New Haven Fire Fighter case you dismissed them as "just being a few cases", yet you cling to that 1 New Haven Firefighter SCOTUS cases like it's a life raft. No matter have many racial discrimination cases I present you with, whether it's 50 EEOC cases or 3 Connecticut cases, you ALWAYS come back with only the same 1 New Haven Firefighter case. You are definitely applying a double standard here.

This ONE case is one that we have a lot of information on, from BOTH sides.


A link showing one side of the argument, is not nearly as useful for discussion purposes.


AND, I have repeatedly pointed out that the motives of the city, is based on national policies, thus it is relevant to the nation as a whole.


YOu have done nothing like that, with any of your links. YOu just link to a bunch of them and moved on.


PICK ONE, if you think it reveals something truly relevant, and show me what is relevant about it.

And since you brought it up yeah let's talk about light, specifically false light which is a form of defamation. There are certain things that if you say them about another person are considered defamation per se meaning that the person claiming defamation doesn't have to prove damages or how they were harmed, only that the person made the statements and that they were untrue. Damages are then presumed. I've noticed that you use rather nasty speech when attacking specific individuals not just on this thread but elsewhere on US Message Board. I've also noticed how you can engage in very civil conversation when you want, it would appear.

I strive to treat people with the respect they show me.

I default to civil.

BUt once people start calling me names, or lying to me, I adjust my treatment of them accordingly.


I do not hold to the old Republican way, of "Being above it all" and allowing liberals to lie about me, and defame me, and thus define me.


I am not a racist, and if someone calls me one, it is on.

Nothing I state to you will make you believe that I am qualified or trained or educated to do what it is I do, however casting aspersions on my character and calling my professional reputation into question ("claiming you fight for the rights of white") is where you're going astray. Your disbelief in my abilities or integrity plays no part in the reality of who I assist, why I assist those that I do or anything else surrounding my life.

I judge arguments based on their merits or lack there of. I will never dismiss what you say, because you do not hold a degree in the relevant field.

Likewise, if you ask me to defer to you as an Authority, and just accept an argument that I can see holes in, I will point out that that is a Logical Fallacy and then destroy your argument.


Your quickness and ease of assuming racism on a white person, on very, very, very weak grounds, THAT undermines your claim to fight for white people.

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would have taken the hint when I've mentioned that I'm a member of the ACLU. Does the ACLU support the rights of white people?

Rarely, from what I have seen.

AND one has to wonder, how wide spread your viewpoint is, among minorities or liberals.

If more people shared my viewpoint we'd all be better off, in my humble opinion, because then there would be a lot less talking and a whole lot more action being taken.[/QUOTE]


I disagree. I think it would/will tear this country apart.


White people are done being held responsible for the actions of people long dead.

 

[IM2]

You're a joke. I've never said you had to agree with me. You came in here talking about standing up to someone and got your ass handed to you. We do not have to accept your racist views, and we don't have to tolerate them. Refusing to tolerate racism is not bigotry. And blacks doing that are not extremists. There are no black extremists here.

I don't have a definition of racism, but the dictionary does.

Definition of racism

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles

b : a political or social system founded on racism

So you show me where in the hell this definition says that opposing racist ideology and beliefs such as what you have presented is racism.

THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.

This reply is a continuation of posts 1445 and 1448:

I have established in prior posts that the founders created a Constitution that was specific to building a constitutional Republic for the benefit of themselves and their posterity (their race) as evidenced by most of the early state constitutions.

America has fought many wars to secure the Liberties of foreign nations - and all without claiming a single acre of land for themselves. The policies of this country include giving BILLIONS of dollars to countries whose people wanting their own homeland. katsteve2012 wrote:

"Those are thinly veiled inferences that unless you study the past, you will not understand.

Keeping with thought, those "ideals" often translate to this "statement" in the minds of non whites:

"We built America, not you. You exist here because we allow you too. and based on its history, we have the right to determine if YOU should be here or not"

Of course, since for the most part, EVERY tax paying American citizen who was born here and resides here, has a right to be here..."

I would say that katsteve2012 was at least 80 percent right in that assessment. What pisses me off about the whites is that, it is like katsteve2012 says, "Those are thinly veiled inferences..." In my mind, whites don't have a clue as to their history nor their destiny. In many cases they DO cherry pick which laws and which tidbits they want to post on these boards in support of their ideology - which is almost as weak as that of the black extremists.

I realize that black people don't want to hear this, but whites DID build this nation. Pharaoh Khufu is credited with building the Great Pyramid in about 2551 B.C. So, when you Google him you will find that he is credited with that feat. Did he haul the rocks, sweat his ass off, and do the physical labor? No. Did he draw up the blueprints and supervise all the laborers? So, who were the people that DID the physical labor? Nobody cares and nobody bothers to record it for the most part.

Our system of laws; the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the many major decisions that took the idea and put them into an achievable form in the United States was the product of white people.

Their intention was to build a homeland for whites. While you think on that I'm going to be thinking about the rest of the answer to katsteve2012's response that every tax paying citizen has a "right" to be here. He'll be coming back. He cannot afford to miss the answer.

I hate to tell you but Whites did not build this nation. This system was the product of whites excluding everyone else from the decision making process. You made claims about Americans fighting wars without claiming a single bit of land for themselves. Are you insane?

If whites wanted a homeland for whites they should have stayed where it was all white. Because this country was not going to be all white when at last 500 non white nations were already here. Sane whites understand their history. That is why you post his crap anonymously in a race and racism section in a small internet forum because you know good and well that you are posting a bunch of extremist crap. You don't dare take this any non white forum. That's why I say you are a coward. I'm here with a few blacks in a mostly white forum opposing the racism of the likes of you with fact. You post your drivel only here where whites who are as dumb and racist as you will cosign and make you feel good about yourself.

FWIW:

You called me a coward. The buck stops there. Okay. The reality is since I was a young kid, I've been willing to meet anyone, at any time. Going on an all black forum is not cowardice. It would be the same as calling you chickenshit for not taking your racist tripe to a Klan rally and showing up alone.

When I was growing up, there are some things you did not say to another man. It usually meant you were shopping for a fight. Today, people like you can say idiotic things and I accept personal challenges, then I'm accused of threatening people. That is why, man to man, you spew shit you don't have the balls to say to people's face. IF you meant to call me out, you'd have done so in a PM. So, if you see a coward, it's the one that looks at you in the mirror every day.

For years I sponsored public meetings twice a month. I've been on tv, radio, and in newspapers. The last guy who made the same claims as you on this board is a National Socialist. He was so gutless that he shoots through my kitchen window. So, Klan with a tan, blow smoke all you like, but YOU are the one who wants me to walk into an ambush because you've proven that YOU can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds are stacked against me 10 to 1. You are spineless and you don't have even a portion of the truth.

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

Nobody ambushes you. If is the other way around. Your mindthought seems to lean toward violence. What an angry little man, pity.

I'm not the one who said anything about an ambush. Learn to read. I pity you because you are dumb. .For example when a white person tries to diss a black person for being angry, this is saying that you have no right to be angry about what we do to you because we are superior to you. And you are too dumb to see how racist that really is.

So while you move along in classic valley girl fashion at age 60 something while ignoring all the racism posted here in these forums while telling us how its all in the past, don't be as dumb to think we have no right to be angry about the racism we still see .going on.

Because Humone has posted 4 essays justifying white supremacy and instead of criticizing him for that, you are here talking stupid about how I am rhe racist. But you are not a racist, you just don't say anything to white racists and you jump all over blacks calling them racists for pointing out white racism. No you are not a racist, you just felt fine contributing to racist threads by whites but when a black person says we should have a conversation about race suddenly why should we talk abut race. Oh no you aren't a racist but when another white woman decided to agree with blacks you called her a black apologist. No, you are not a racist, you felt fine posting in threads by whites that denigrated blacks, but when blacks started to fight back, suddenly why must we make everything about race in a section where race is supposed to be discussed.

Of course you will deny these things and that's doesn't bother me for in the end I am not the one you must answer to.

 

[Humorme]

FWIW:

You called me a coward. The buck stops there. Okay. The reality is since I was a young kid, I've been willing to meet anyone, at any time. Going on an all black forum is not cowardice. It would be the same as calling you chickenshit for not taking your racist tripe to a Klan rally and showing up alone.

When I was growing up, there are some things you did not say to another man. It usually meant you were shopping for a fight. Today, people like you can say idiotic things and I accept personal challenges, then I'm accused of threatening people. That is why, man to man, you spew shit you don't have the balls to say to people's face. IF you meant to call me out, you'd have done so in a PM. So, if you see a coward, it's the one that looks at you in the mirror every day.

For years I sponsored public meetings twice a month. I've been on tv, radio, and in newspapers. The last guy who made the same claims as you on this board is a National Socialist. He was so gutless that he shoots through my kitchen window. So, Klan with a tan, blow smoke all you like, but YOU are the one who wants me to walk into an ambush because you've proven that YOU can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds are stacked against me 10 to 1. You are spineless and you don't have even a portion of the truth.

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

This is Part 6 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, and 1488.

MOST Americans, black and white; conservative and liberal, Democrat and Republican confuse Liberty with citizenship. Between that and racial amalgamation (inter-racial marriage / sexual relationships) it's getting difficult to differentiate between races.

The blacks are the most racist. They claim to be greater authorities on the subject; they think they are due reparations for the past; they want the whites to stipulate to the black peoples misconceptions about history and race. If the whites fail to adopt the black peoples take on the subject, then the whites are accused of being "racist."

By contrast, the whites simply are not that racist. I understand much more about the black people and their attitude than I do the whites. Blacks will make much ado about racism (sic) as if feeling there is something special about your race is wrong. These are the same people who voted for Barack Obama. They didn't vote for him because he was the better candidate for our country; they voted for him in order for our country to have its first black president.

The black people have created this atmosphere in America that if you say something that offends them, you are locked out of the discussion and out of society in general. But, if they offend you by calling you a racist or implying you're burning crosses in their yard because you hold an opposing opinion, it's all good and acceptable. And, if the white feels offended by their remarks, it is of no societal consequence.

When the allegation is made that whites today think like those of 200 years ago, that is preposterous nonsense. For, if they did, the race war would be over in ninety days. Again, most whites cannot fathom that there is a difference between Liberty and citizenship. Their entire immigration agenda revolves around the misconception that only citizens are due unalienable Rights. And so, both sides base their viewpoint off the notion that the majority wins (mob rule.)

The major reason IM2 failed in his last argument is that in 1818, the white people would NOT have said it was okay for black people to become citizens. In 1818 the states decided who could come and go within a state, but only whites could be citizens. Clearly, whites in 1818 understood the difference between Liberty and citizenship.

Today, black people can be citizens (via an illegally passed Amendment), but they are obsessed with punishing the whites for the black peoples perception of history. And so, they are conducting a subtle form of genocide against the whites, preying upon programmed emotions related to slavery... an institution NOT initiated by the the whites. And the most telling of this, blacks are NOT grateful to the white race for being the ones to be the first to stop slavery. Oddly, I have never seen where the Bible condemns slavery per se, but if it's wrong, then the black people should step up to the plate, admit their role in being the first to start it, and hold themselves accountable for participating and profiting off of selling their brethren to the slave traders as it relates to America.

 

[katsteve2012]

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

Hate is hate, and henious crimes are henious crimes no matter what color you are. Now go and get all the tragic cases of hate crimes and murder over the years be it white or black victims involved.

Those you noted above are definitely tragic and sad for sure, and most in America find such history and current events deplorable.

Dwelling on the past when the majority is moving on from it, does make the motives appear suspect when asking for money and such to be distributed to individuals that are not true to the causes of abolishing racism. Sadly they may actually take the money in order to fuel the hate and vengeful thinking of those who would use the past for evil intent and purposes, instead of truly using it as a way for all here to continue to heal by finally someday being unified, and not instead being divided.

This section of USMB is a high definition exhibition of how the majority hasn't moved past a damn thing. And if you want us to stop asking for reparations then stop paying Native Americans reparations for things that happened in the past.

Or drop that argument.

1) This is an exhibition of how YOU haven't moved past a damned thing, and the majority has moved past caring about your whining and sniveling.

2) We don't pay reparations to Native Americans, Chuckles. You're talking out of your ass. Again.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

 

[IM2]

I hate to tell you but Whites did not build this nation. This system was the product of whites excluding everyone else from the decision making process. You made claims about Americans fighting wars without claiming a single bit of land for themselves. Are you insane?

If whites wanted a homeland for whites they should have stayed where it was all white. Because this country was not going to be all white when at last 500 non white nations were already here. Sane whites understand their history. That is why you post his crap anonymously in a race and racism section in a small internet forum because you know good and well that you are posting a bunch of extremist crap. You don't dare take this any non white forum. That's why I say you are a coward. I'm here with a few blacks in a mostly white forum opposing the racism of the likes of you with fact. You post your drivel only here where whites who are as dumb and racist as you will cosign and make you feel good about yourself.

FWIW:

You called me a coward. The buck stops there. Okay. The reality is since I was a young kid, I've been willing to meet anyone, at any time. Going on an all black forum is not cowardice. It would be the same as calling you chickenshit for not taking your racist tripe to a Klan rally and showing up alone.

When I was growing up, there are some things you did not say to another man. It usually meant you were shopping for a fight. Today, people like you can say idiotic things and I accept personal challenges, then I'm accused of threatening people. That is why, man to man, you spew shit you don't have the balls to say to people's face. IF you meant to call me out, you'd have done so in a PM. So, if you see a coward, it's the one that looks at you in the mirror every day.

For years I sponsored public meetings twice a month. I've been on tv, radio, and in newspapers. The last guy who made the same claims as you on this board is a National Socialist. He was so gutless that he shoots through my kitchen window. So, Klan with a tan, blow smoke all you like, but YOU are the one who wants me to walk into an ambush because you've proven that YOU can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds are stacked against me 10 to 1. You are spineless and you don't have even a portion of the truth.

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

LOL!

While you LOL at your predicament ...

This is Part 5 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the first three parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 and 1477

I left off with making the point that Liberty is a God given - unalienable Right. It is a foundational principle upon which America was built.

"Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." (Excerpt from a letter written by John Adams to Abigail Adams 7 July 1775)

There is a misconception by both the right and the left. BOTH sides believe that Liberty is tied to citizenship. It isn't. Citizenship, like voting is a privilege. Neither are unalienable Rights. We may call them rights (sic), but they lack some important attributes that are unlike unalienable Rights. Some of what we call "rights" are actually privileges. Unlike unalienable Rights, a government "right" is given to you by a government, not a Creator. It is revocable and an unalienable Right isn't, and the majority can vote your government into oblivion. Unalienable Rights are NOT subject to a popularity vote.

In the THIRD part of this ongoing ran (see Post #1460) catsteve2012 wrote:

"We built America, not you. You exist here because we allow you too. and based on its history, we have the right to determine if YOU should be here or not"

Of course, since for the most part, EVERY tax paying American citizen who was born here and resides here, has a right to be here..."

Here, catsteve2012 makes an inaccurate (and racist) statement. We do not see blacks stepping up to the plate and offering the Israelites reparations for their hard work while held in slavery. And now, the blacks claim they "built" America. Well, they may have put in the labor, but, unfortunately, that is NOT the meaning of the word the way we use it. See my previous posts for more info.

Today, we find ourselves in very precarious predicament. The Preamble of the Constitution states, unequivocally, WHO that document pertains to along with the first Naturalization laws saying that in order to become a citizen, one had to be a white person of good character. That is all fact. Then history records that the Dred Scott decision confirming that inspired the Republicans to pass the 14th Amendment... which was done illegally:

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

14th Amendment is actually ILLEGAL as it was never RATIFIED!

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

Legality of the 14th Amendment (Congressional Record)

When you have judges, lawyers, historians, civil libertarians, news outlets, and constitutionalists calling the 14th Amendment into question, the matter deserves to be discussed.

IF the 14th Amendment was not legally ratified, then the black people who are claiming citizenship are no more "citizens" than migrant worker who slid under the wall from Mexico. Now, my personal position is that even IF whites ever addressed the legality of the 14th Amendment and over-turned it, there is STILL the issue of whether or not all men have unalienable Rights. Today, the Trumpeteers make this asinine argument that the 14th Amendment did not include children who were born here, but their parents had no papers.

I can promise you today that argument will fail in the Courts. It has nothing to do with what side of this argument you perceive me to be on, but based upon the FACTS as I know them. WHEN that crazy argument fails them, the Trumpeteers are left with two choices: challenging the legality of the 14th Amendment or an internal and civil war. The alternative is that the liberals and non-whites will vote the conservatives and whites into oblivion.

IM2, stay tuned. Things are just beginning to warm up.

No, we are going to end this. This is pure racism and it's time the moderators did something about it.

 

[Humorme]

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

This section of USMB is a high definition exhibition of how the majority hasn't moved past a damn thing. And if you want us to stop asking for reparations then stop paying Native Americans reparations for things that happened in the past.

Or drop that argument.

1) This is an exhibition of how YOU haven't moved past a damned thing, and the majority has moved past caring about your whining and sniveling.

2) We don't pay reparations to Native Americans, Chuckles. You're talking out of your ass. Again.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

You're going to have to explain that one.

 

[katsteve2012]

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

1) This is an exhibition of how YOU haven't moved past a damned thing, and the majority has moved past caring about your whining and sniveling.

2) We don't pay reparations to Native Americans, Chuckles. You're talking out of your ass. Again.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

You're going to have to explain that one.

What is there to explain?

 

[katsteve2012]

True words. And thank you...with one caveat IM2,

I am well past 60....lol.

I didn't want to go there my brother. LOL!

No problem, my brother. I've held up well for an old guy....lol.

I'm happy to hear that. May that continue for you.

No reason it shouldn't..my only vice is fast cars..

May you continue to put the truth out there and be blessed as well.

So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.

 

[IM2]

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

1) This is an exhibition of how YOU haven't moved past a damned thing, and the majority has moved past caring about your whining and sniveling.

2) We don't pay reparations to Native Americans, Chuckles. You're talking out of your ass. Again.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

You're going to have to explain that one.

It's pretty simple. We are talking about America. Not Egypt 10,000 years ago. Because Moses, an Israelite, was black. And the Israelites got reparations in the form of the promised land. You really don't understand how stupid, inaccurate and racist your argument really is.

 

[katsteve2012]

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

You're going to have to explain that one.

It's pretty simple. We are talking about America. Not Egypt 10,000 years ago. Because Moses, an Israelite, was black. And the Israelites got reparations in the form of the promised land. You really don't understand how stupid, inaccurate and racist your argument really is.

Thanks IM2, you said almost verbatim what I wss just typing.

 

[IM2]

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

Who are you referring to, someone at the WHCD - (White House Correspondence Dinner)?? Now that was an eye opener. Wow.

Dispicable stuff.

Hollywood has lost it's flipping mind in producing the kind of entertainers that it has now loosed upon society in which it is producing these days. Hollyweird has been highjacked over the years, and gone are the days of decency found in the humble products produced by the Giants like Disney and others that were once in tune with the character of decency, Christianity, ethics, morals, in which were once connected to the heartbeat of America (not anymore).

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

This is Part 6 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, and 1488.

MOST Americans, black and white; conservative and liberal, Democrat and Republican confuse Liberty with citizenship. Between that and racial amalgamation (inter-racial marriage / sexual relationships) it's getting difficult to differentiate between races.

The blacks are the most racist. They claim to be greater authorities on the subject; they think they are due reparations for the past; they want the whites to stipulate to the black peoples misconceptions about history and race. If the whites fail to adopt the black peoples take on the subject, then the whites are accused of being "racist."

By contrast, the whites simply are not that racist. I understand much more about the black people and their attitude than I do the whites. Blacks will make much ado about racism (sic) as if feeling there is something special about your race is wrong. These are the same people who voted for Barack Obama. They didn't vote for him because he was the better candidate for our country; they voted for him in order for our country to have its first black president.

The black people have created this atmosphere in America that if you say something that offends them, you are locked out of the discussion and out of society in general. But, if they offend you by calling you a racist or implying you're burning crosses in their yard because you hold an opposing opinion, it's all good and acceptable. And, if the white feels offended by their remarks, it is of no societal consequence.

When the allegation is made that whites today think like those of 200 years ago, that is preposterous nonsense. For, if they did, the race war would be over in ninety days. Again, most whites cannot fathom that there is a difference between Liberty and citizenship. Their entire immigration agenda revolves around the misconception that only citizens are due unalienable Rights. And so, both sides base their viewpoint off the notion that the majority wins (mob rule.)

The major reason IM2 failed in his last argument is that in 1818, the white people would NOT have said it was okay for black people to become citizens. In 1818 the states decided who could come and go within a state, but only whites could be citizens. Clearly, whites in 1818 understood the difference between Liberty and citizenship.

Today, black people can be citizens (via an illegally passed Amendment), but they are obsessed with punishing the whites for the black peoples perception of history. And so, they are conducting a subtle form of genocide against the whites, preying upon programmed emotions related to slavery... an institution NOT initiated by the the whites. And the most telling of this, blacks are NOT grateful to the white race for being the ones to be the first to stop slavery. Oddly, I have never seen where the Bible condemns slavery per se, but if it's wrong, then the black people should step up to the plate, admit their role in being the first to start it, and hold themselves accountable for participating and profiting off of selling their brethren to the slave traders as it relates to America.

I'm going to make an example out of you.

 

[Paul Essien]

White man kills 4 people in car crash and is about walk free in two weeks

A white boy kills 4 people then he gets probation because he supposedly suffers from "affluenza." Then he flees the county with his mom, and even after that only has to do about 2 years in jail (180 days for each of his victims to be precise) and is about to be free,

Tell me the one again about how white privilege not existing?

 

[IM2]

Whites like Humone are extremely ignorant. The stuff he has been posting is common alt right manure.

In Europe whites had a system called Feudalism. Feudalism was a slave system. Serfs were slaves.

Serf-
1.
a person in a condition of servitude, required to render services to a lord, commonly attached to the lord's land and transferred with it from one owner to another.
2.
a slave.

So Africa did not introduce slavery to whites.

 

[Humorme]

FWIW:

You called me a coward. The buck stops there. Okay. The reality is since I was a young kid, I've been willing to meet anyone, at any time. Going on an all black forum is not cowardice. It would be the same as calling you chickenshit for not taking your racist tripe to a Klan rally and showing up alone.

When I was growing up, there are some things you did not say to another man. It usually meant you were shopping for a fight. Today, people like you can say idiotic things and I accept personal challenges, then I'm accused of threatening people. That is why, man to man, you spew shit you don't have the balls to say to people's face. IF you meant to call me out, you'd have done so in a PM. So, if you see a coward, it's the one that looks at you in the mirror every day.

For years I sponsored public meetings twice a month. I've been on tv, radio, and in newspapers. The last guy who made the same claims as you on this board is a National Socialist. He was so gutless that he shoots through my kitchen window. So, Klan with a tan, blow smoke all you like, but YOU are the one who wants me to walk into an ambush because you've proven that YOU can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds are stacked against me 10 to 1. You are spineless and you don't have even a portion of the truth.

Then take your argument to an all black forum. I've done all of what you have done and more. I am here in a forum of whites expressing my opposition to white racism. Why would you be s scared of an ambush if your views are what is needed to be heard. I'm not asking you to do anything I'm not dig but you are scared to do what I suggest. You came in here talking that Billy Jack bullshit and I am standing up with you man up and busting your ass at every turn. I'm and the he blacks here are outnumbered here 10 to 1 and we keep on whupping ass. Seems to me you are the one who can't handle the truth and think the odds won't favor you unless the odds at in YOUR favor.

There ain't no klan with a tan grand cyclops, there is only the pale skinned KKK who believes America is New Jerusalem and made to be a whites only nation.

You're a spineless little man / woman without integrity, courage, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. It appears to me that you are getting your ass kicked on a forum made up of a cross section of America and you want others to step into an all black forum because when the audience is diverse, you are being laughed at for the nutjob you've proven to be.

LOL!

While you LOL at your predicament ...

This is Part 5 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the first three parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 and 1477

I left off with making the point that Liberty is a God given - unalienable Right. It is a foundational principle upon which America was built.

"Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." (Excerpt from a letter written by John Adams to Abigail Adams 7 July 1775)

There is a misconception by both the right and the left. BOTH sides believe that Liberty is tied to citizenship. It isn't. Citizenship, like voting is a privilege. Neither are unalienable Rights. We may call them rights (sic), but they lack some important attributes that are unlike unalienable Rights. Some of what we call "rights" are actually privileges. Unlike unalienable Rights, a government "right" is given to you by a government, not a Creator. It is revocable and an unalienable Right isn't, and the majority can vote your government into oblivion. Unalienable Rights are NOT subject to a popularity vote.

In the THIRD part of this ongoing ran (see Post #1460) catsteve2012 wrote:

"We built America, not you. You exist here because we allow you too. and based on its history, we have the right to determine if YOU should be here or not"

Of course, since for the most part, EVERY tax paying American citizen who was born here and resides here, has a right to be here..."

Here, catsteve2012 makes an inaccurate (and racist) statement. We do not see blacks stepping up to the plate and offering the Israelites reparations for their hard work while held in slavery. And now, the blacks claim they "built" America. Well, they may have put in the labor, but, unfortunately, that is NOT the meaning of the word the way we use it. See my previous posts for more info.

Today, we find ourselves in very precarious predicament. The Preamble of the Constitution states, unequivocally, WHO that document pertains to along with the first Naturalization laws saying that in order to become a citizen, one had to be a white person of good character. That is all fact. Then history records that the Dred Scott decision confirming that inspired the Republicans to pass the 14th Amendment... which was done illegally:

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

14th Amendment is actually ILLEGAL as it was never RATIFIED!

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

Legality of the 14th Amendment (Congressional Record)

When you have judges, lawyers, historians, civil libertarians, news outlets, and constitutionalists calling the 14th Amendment into question, the matter deserves to be discussed.

IF the 14th Amendment was not legally ratified, then the black people who are claiming citizenship are no more "citizens" than migrant worker who slid under the wall from Mexico. Now, my personal position is that even IF whites ever addressed the legality of the 14th Amendment and over-turned it, there is STILL the issue of whether or not all men have unalienable Rights. Today, the Trumpeteers make this asinine argument that the 14th Amendment did not include children who were born here, but their parents had no papers.

I can promise you today that argument will fail in the Courts. It has nothing to do with what side of this argument you perceive me to be on, but based upon the FACTS as I know them. WHEN that crazy argument fails them, the Trumpeteers are left with two choices: challenging the legality of the 14th Amendment or an internal and civil war. The alternative is that the liberals and non-whites will vote the conservatives and whites into oblivion.

IM2, stay tuned. Things are just beginning to warm up.

No we are going to end this. THS s pure racism ad its time the moderators did something about it.

Yeah, if you're offended, the moderators may end this. You're a racist and you don't like the truth. I'm not calling you names; I'm not advocating for any course of action; not one thing you can say against me will be indicative of racism. You simply don't like the truth.

I guess you missed that part wherein I disagreed with the whites. But, the whole problem is, if YOU disagree with something, it must be racist and it's got to stop. Meanwhile you make the most ludicrous statements and fail to back them up. So, I'm going to continue to challenge your misconceptions with the truth AND point out to the whites how they are pigeonholing themselves so that we are required to agree with idiocy like yours in order be able to have any viewpoint on the subject.

This is Part 7 of THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. You will find the other parts of this in posts 1445, 1448, 1460 1477, 1488, and 1505.

Just as a review, IM2 is accusing me of being a racist. I told him of our history as a nation; how our forefathers saw themselves as building a New Jerusalem and so forth. Perhaps he'd like a few links:

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

America, Gathering Israel to Zion, and the Book of Mormon

PBS is hardly a "racist" site. While not a Mormon, they have a sentiment along those lines and I never saw them as being racist.

Is it racist to point out that the founders put it in our first Naturalization statute that only whites of good moral character could become citizens?

Politico will confirm what our first naturalization laws were:

U.S. enacts first immigration law, March 26, 1790

Is THAT racist? Is politico.com a racist site?

Is the observation that IM2, and those like him, want to censor anything they disagree with in order to discuss the subject a racist proposition?

I'm stating what I can prove through reliable sources. I'm not calling IM2 any names nor trying to denigrate him. He keeps saying he's kicking my ass, but he's running off to the moderators to keep me from posting facts from bona fide sources. For the most part I don't even bother telling you my personal view on racism - except as an issue of strategy... and then I was critical of the whites who concern themselves with Donald Trump and his entourage - of whom I think are headed for a certain legal defeat.

Just in case some people DO have the clout it takes to stifle an opinion, I will give you a piece of my opinion and hope that a couple of people will consider this:

IN MY OPINION, black people are more racist than whites. The biggest reason is, they pretend to be all upset over slavery. Honestly, slavery was quite tame compared to the treatment of soldiers captured by the Japanese during World War II. We've kissed, made up and now Japan, a self described racially pure nation, does business inside the United States and it's all good. Nobody has a problem with that kind of racism.

The reality is when slaves were brought to the United States, they were generally sold as families when possible because they were more productive that way. Many were taught to be craftsmen and were even paid for their services - AND they lived better than their white counterparts that were blue collar workers. My source for this is a book entitled Time on the Cross - the Economics of American Negro Slavery by Robert Fogel and Stanley Engerman

Time on the Cross - Wikipedia

The link is worth checking out and remember that Engle and Fogerman were two mainstream professors of economics..

I'm not sourcing them as a defense of slavery, but rather to give the balance of my own opinion context:

Blacks make much ado over racism and use slavery as their primary pretext as justification. Yet these are the people who, for the most part, prop up the Democrats. IM2 doesn't like the First Amendment and there goes your freedom of Speech, the Press, and Religion. Democrats hate, loathe, and despise the Second Amendment. On and on I could go, but at the end of the day, the majority of black people vote against Liberty. They have no use for it. Now they want control over the United States - for a number of reasons as previously discussed. White people have fought in the trenches and bled along with black people in establishing rights for them.

Still, they come to this board and say that no white has experienced racism. That is a lie and an insult. An insult to your enemy is of no great loss. Insulting the guy who had your back in a foxhole is not acceptable. And what drives black people to do and say what they are doing on this thread is racism... plain and simple. Whether you think I'm right or wrong, that is my opinion. I've fought to protect and defend that right.

 

[Humorme]

My comments were directed at IM2. He wants us to believe he is the ultimate authority on all things race related, but has to get into whizzing contests and call people names because, obviously, he has no point to make. I'm making my point about this in a series of rants and before I'm finished, many links will be offered in support of the position. Maybe someone can find useful info from it while IM2 presents it to all liberal forums so they investigate me for heresy.

I don't believe I am the ultimate authority on race, I do believe I am more of an authority than you. You keep saying I have no point make but when we look at our discussion I've destroyed your premise every time. All you are proving is there are whites in 2018 who think the same way whites did 200 years ag0.

What can I say, dude? You're a legend in your own mind that has yet to disprove a single sentence of anything I've written. Your buddies have had the intellect to move on as what I've been posting about is not a personality contest. The fact that you think you are more of an authority than me is the most laughable part. In case you haven't noticed, NO white person is backing up what I'm posting about it - you are exactly 100 percent wrong about one thing - NO WHITES THINK LIKE I DO. That is soon to come when we look at how weak they are.

Actually you do pay reparations to Native Americans.

I am not going to move past something that continues. .

If I were white, female and thought like you, I'd be shutting my mouth. Get the hint and take the suggestion because what you support takes you back to the kitchen while popping out babies.

Yes. There are continued reparations for Native Americans currently.

PRRAC -

The Israelites would like the reparations owed them by blacks for holding them in slavery.

If they had been enslaved by Blacks on American soil, they would have likely already received them.

You're going to have to explain that one.

It's pretty simple. We are talking about America. Not Egypt 10,000 years ago. Because Moses, an Israelite, was black. And the Israelites got reparations in the form of the promised land. You really don't understand how stupid, inaccurate and racist your argument really is.

Moses was not black. OMG. Revisionist history. You have got to be kidding.

 

[Correll]

No, at some point the babying of any group of people by the generation's that have way since moved on must soon end. It's really embarrassing that a group of people think that they should be treated in a special way at this point in time in our history. At some point the choices people make be it within their culture, finances, lifestyles etc have got to be made freely by those people themselves, and the consequences of their actions must be accounted for in connection to the choices they (the makers of such choices), have since made for themselves and not be blamed on anyone else. The blame game must end.

The governments handling of the history between the blacks and the whites has been flawed big time, and corrections stand to be made in it all.

Depending on how one interprets history

The fact that this is the RACE RELATIONS forum, does not justify calling some one a racist.



Calling someone a racist, should be reserved for people who state racist beliefs.




Your friend, in her attempt to support her calling me a racist, cited that I did not answer a question, buried in a large post of hers.


That was her supporting evidence for calling me a vile name.


That is bullshit. And that is what you are defending.


You lose.

There is nothing for me to "lose" here. It's an anonymous forum, frequented by a majority of people like YOU that I am elated to NOT KNOW personally.

Sure there is. You made an argument that your friend was justified in calling me a vile insult for no reason.


You lost that argument. You lose.


That this is an anonymous forum, doesn't change that. That it won't change your life, doesn't change that.


Nothing about my statement implies real significant harm to you.


Yet, you took a stupid stance, and you lost.

In a few cases, there are some here who make sense.

Your warped perception of what is "vile" versus what is not, in a setting like this is childish and resembles the logic of a 10 year old, who failed the 5th grade.

In our society, "racist" is a very serious insult. Careers, lives are ruined by being labeled as such, whether the accusation is true or not.


To deny that it is a vile insult, is absurd.

It is an indisputable fact that in a forum called "Race Relations" even the most benign and innocuous individual will at some point in time be referred to as a "Racist".

Only because assholes like to call people names. Nothing I have said in this thread justifies calling me such a name, and I have demonstrated that, by challenging your friend to back it up, and her utter failure to do so.

You are quick on the trigger to accuse others of "race baiting" and in turn have no moral compass regarding some of what you have stated.

I am quick to call people on race baiting. It is a real problem in our society, and assholes who do it, need to be called on their shit.


My morals are fine.

And when you do get called out, you throw a whiny ***** tantrum.

ANd that's just an ass trying to minimizing my proper response to asses being asses.


Your lie is rejected.

If you can't understand that, and accept that by visiting this forum you WILL be subject to what everyone else here experiences, you're a damn fool.

I'm well aware that the world if full of lefty race baiting assholes, and I enjoy that on this site I get to call them on their bullshit.

You are not unique or above anyone else who posts here.

My arguments stand on their own merits or don't. That you feel a need to attack me personally, shows that my arguments are such that you cannot refute them.

But you appear to believe that you are.

Nope. Nothing I have said supports that stupid claim.

That makes you delusional.

Said the man that thinks that not answering a question is reason to call someone racist.

You are a ridiculous drama queen. If your idea of a "vile insult" is being called a racist on a "race relations" message board you are a fool just as you were accurately called.

It is a vile insult in our culture, and your denial of this just reveals you to be a liar.

There are no winners or losers here, and if in your little mind, there are, then that makes you look even more foolish, and hypersensitive than you actually are, if thats possible.

Says the man arguing that "racist" is not a vile insult in our culture. AND that not answering a question is reason enough to be called one.

You got called a racist, and to a number of people here, you appear to be.

Which is interesting, because NOTHING I say actually fits the actual definition of racist.

When people call me a racist, they are lying and race baiting.

Name one person who post here who has not been called a racist, quite a few have been by none other than you.

1. That a lot of people throw that word around stupidly and wrongly and vilely, does not support your argument. It just shows that there are a lot of assholes in the world.


2. I actually call people racist, when they are saying racist things or supporting racist policies, like discriminating against people based on race.

That's when it is i reasonable to call someone a racist. Not when they do not answer a question and so you assume their answer and then judge them based on your assumption.

And if you continue to post here, you will be called one again.

No doubt. And I will call you race baiters on your behavior, when you do it.

Get over it. You aren't special.

Again with the trying to make it about me.


My arguments stand or don't stand, based on their own merits. I have never claimed any special Authority, where you should just bow to my decree.


And my arguments are sound. Which is WHY you lefties always drop the discussion about the topic, and start with personal attacks.


Because you are wrong, and you are too dishonest to admit it.

Your arguments are "sound"? That is humorous, and as a rule, I never reject an opportunity for a good laugh, and you seldom fall short of providing one.

In my life experience, genuine racists will flat out deny that racism actually exists, only to cry “REVERSE RACISM !” or "ANTI WHITE DISCRIMINATION!" in the next breath.

To people like you, who are believed to be racists, the real meaning of "reverse racism" or 'anti white discrimination" is having to live in a post 1965 world where you are expected to treat non white people fairly and equally.

To the point that it just feels uncomfortable to you.

Being called a RACIST in YOUR case, is not an insult, it's a DIAGNOSIS.

That's the way you are viewed by a number of people here, and no matter what level of objection that you express towards that perception, it is not likely to change,

Lastly, speaking for myself, I believe that you are more ignorant and misinformed than you are racist.

1. You open with claiming my arguments are unsound, but present no reason to support that claim.

2. Unless your claim is that racists deny being racist, was the "supporting argument".. Which is utterly stupid, because non racist would deny being racist too.

3. Your support for your calling me a racist is claiming that you know what we "really" mean when we complain about white discrimination. You offer no support of your mind reading ability, and that's all you have to support your vile insult of me.

4. YOu do use the Logical Fallacy of Argumentum ad populum, as a supporting argument So there is that. It's a stupid and invalid argument. Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia


5. So, to conclude, you call me a vile name based on utterly stupid and invalid reasons. Thus, since you insult me, allow me to point out that you are a race baiting asshole. The difference between us, is that my insult of you, is true, while you are a liar.

 

[Paul Essien]

IN MY OPINION, black people are more racist than whites.

OK. Let's stop right here.

OK. We are so racist. Right ? Then this should be an easy question for you to answer.

Name one thing that black people (as a group) have stopped white people (as a group) from doing that they had a right to do ? For example, denying them the right to work, own a home, live in a certain area, get a just trial, an education, or use any public facility.

 

[mudwhistle]

I didn't want to go there my brother. LOL!

No problem, my brother. I've held up well for an old guy....lol.

I'm happy to hear that. May that continue for you.

No reason it shouldn't..my only vice is fast cars..

May you continue to put the truth out there and be blessed as well.

So you do support Reparations......good to know.

Obviously, the U.S. Government does as well. They have paid reparations to Native Americans, the Japanese and the jews affected by the Holocaust.

The problem with that is all of the above can show damages.
Blacks cannot.
Frankly, many who had grandparents who were slaves are already dead. And just because your great grandparents had a rough time doesn't mean you deserve financial compensation for it.