Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[Blisterfinger]

I’m talking about MAGA hypocrisy and fascism.

Actually you don't know what the fuck you're talking about because you are ignorant.

 

[ThisIsMe]

There is no constitutional provision to challenge a pardon. That is by design. Can't you imagine a scenario just like this one where a new administration prosecutes a past administration for things that were actually legal in a kangaroo court, like those held against Trump? The power to pardon prevents all of that. Imagine a Democrat controlled Congress and a liberal Supreme Court conspiring to prosecute members of a Republican administration. That is why the President has the power to pardon, and it cannot be challenged by the judiciary and Congress. If the Founders wanted that, it would be in the Constitution. It actually stem historically from the king's power to pardon when people were prosecuted for alleged crimes by Parliament.

Historical context is important in this matter.

if you don't follow the cotus, then the pardon isn't valid, if you think this is incorrect then I go back to a president pardoning future crimes, because the cotus doesn't say they can't, and a pardon cannot be challenged.

 

[ThisIsMe]

This isn’t about pardoning future crimes. The “crimes” Trump alleges happened in the past.

That doesn't matter. I keep getting the excuse of "the cotus doesn't say that", well, the cotus doesn't say you can't pardon future crimes either

 

[konradv]

That doesn't matter. I keep getting the excuse of "the cotus doesn't say that", well, the cotus doesn't say you can't pardon future crimes either

Red herring! That has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Red herring! That has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

No, but it's the discussion I've been having with a couple of people for over a week

 

[konradv]

No, but it's the discussion I've been having with a couple of people for over a week

Good for you. Future crimes are not covered. J6 pardonees have already found out!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

if you don't follow the cotus, then the pardon isn't valid, if you think this is incorrect then I go back to a president pardoning future crimes, because the cotus doesn't say they can't, and a pardon cannot be challenged.

That's right.

A pardon cannot be challenged unless if one can prove corruption or bribery or whatever was involved.

Certainly not on Biden's group, and from what I have seen, probably not on Trump's.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

if you don't follow the cotus, then the pardon isn't valid, if you think this is incorrect then I go back to a president pardoning future crimes, because the cotus doesn't say they can't, and a pardon cannot be challenged.

That is what makes you wrong. If it isn't in the Constitution, it is bogus. Just like the right to an abortion did not exist in the mythical right to privacy created by Roe v. Wade. That is why it was overturned. Plessy v. Furgeson was overturned by Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka for the same reason. Of the Constitution does say it, you can't do it! I studied these cases for years during my own education. That is why I possess a master's degree.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That is what makes you wrong. If it isn't in the Constitution, it is bogus. Just like the right to an abortion did not exist in the mythical right to privacy created by Roe v. Wade. That is why it was overturned. Plessy v. Furgeson was overturned by Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka for the same reason. Of the Constitution does say it, you can't do it! I studied these cases for years during my own education. That is why I possess a master's degree.

None are invalid. There is no proof.,

 

[Blisterfinger]

That is what makes you wrong. If it isn't in the Constitution, it is bogus. Just like the right to an abortion did not exist in the mythical right to privacy created by Roe v. Wade. That is why it was overturned. Plessy v. Furgeson was overturned by Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka for the same reason. Of the Constitution does say it, you can't do it! I studied these cases for years during my own education. That is why I possess a master's degree.

But yet Roe vs Wade was the law of the land for many years. It Is the interpretation of the Constitution that is what is counting here.

 

[Delldude]

This person supposedly the one with the key to the auto pen:



The $100,000 question is was it done without Biden's knowledge?

 

[Blisterfinger]

This person supposedly the one with the key to the auto pen:



The $100,000 question is was it done without Biden's knowledge?

Bring her before Congress

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But yet Roe vs Wade was the law of the land for many years. It Is the interpretation of the Constitution that is what is counting here.

A made-up interpretation, just like you are trying to create.

 

[Blisterfinger]

A made-up interpretation, just like you are trying to create.

Yet it was the law of the land for years and years. Looks like I am right and I don't have nearly the education you do. Something wrong with this picture

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This person supposedly the one with the key to the auto pen:



The $100,000 question is was it done without Biden's knowledge?

Unless Biden says she did it without his permission, there is no case. Not likely to happen because Biden can't remember the last time he had his diaper changed.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yet it was the law of the land for years and years. Looks like I am right and I don't have nearly the education you do. Something wrong with this picture

The judges that reviewed it over the years were corrupt liberals who hated babies. When the right case and the right SCOTUS came along, Roe and Plessy were both overturned.

 

[Blisterfinger]

The judges that reviewed it over the years were corrupt liberals who hated babies. When the right case and the right SCOTUS came along, Roe and Plessy were both overturned.

that statement is correct. Many people however leaned on Roe versus Wade as constitutional gospel for years and would argue with you to the death. I don't think you are the Omni knowledge person that you claim to be.
What I am questioning is Joe Biden's ability to create executive orders and pardons as being valid. That with the pervasive use of the auto-pen , and somebody else actually utilizing it should make the pardons invalid. questions that need to be investigated. show me in the Constitution where it says we cannot do that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

that statement is correct. Many people however leaned on Roe versus Wade as constitutional gospel for years and would argue with you to the death. I don't think you are the Omni knowledge person that you claim to be.
What I am questioning is Joe Biden's ability to create executive orders and pardons as being valid. That with the pervasive use of the auto-pen , and somebody else actually utilizing it should make the pardons invalid. questions that need to be investigated. show me in the Constitution where it says we cannot do that.

If Congress thought he was not competent, they should have impeached him, but they didn't. If the Vice President and Cabinet thought he was incompetent, they could have invoked the 25th Amendment, but they didn't. If they did not use the authorized constitutional remedies, what make you think you can do it after the fact?

I am the most intelligent person on this topic if I do so say so myself. I am the third or fourth smartest person I know, only outranked by my college roommate and my wife, and you know your wife is always smarter than you are.

 

[Blisterfinger]

If Congress thought he was not competent, they should have impeached him, but they didn't. If the Vice President and Cabinet thought he was incompetent, they could have invoked the 25th Amendment, but they didn't. If they did not use the authorized constitutional remedies, what make you think you can do it after the fact?

I am the most intelligent person on this topic if I do so say so myself. I am the third or fourth smartest person I know, only outranked by my college roommate and my wife, and you know your wife is always smarter than you are.

I believe that I am actually smarter than you are, so don't pat yourself on the back so hard that you cough up a lung. It seems as if I have quite a bit more moral Integrity than you do as well.
Like Roe versus Wade, Biden was surrounded by corruption and miscreants. I trust Trump and Company will do a full investigation and undo some of the damage to our country that was done.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I believe that I am actually smarter than you are, so don't pat yourself on the back so hard that you cough up a lung. It seems as if I have quite a bit more moral Integrity than you do as well.
Like Roe versus Wade, Biden was surrounded by corruption and miscreants. I trust Trump and Company will do a full investigation and undo some of the damage to our country that was done.

What are they going to do? You cannot even come up with any options! That's not very smart, don't you think?

Apparently not.