Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[Marener]

I don't think so. Trump is working extremely fast, It's going to be a fun 4 years so don't go anywhere. Or maybe that's 12 years! All in all you'll be reduced to a pile of shit where you belong.

Sure dude.

 

[Marener]

Are you saying you can issue a pardon for a maybe? Your own link says no

You said there’s two options.

One, they committed no crime and therefore they haven’t received a pardon. Which is fine because they can’t be prosecuted without having committed a crime.

Two, they did commit a crime and therefore they received a pardon and can’t be prosecuted.

Either way, they’re not prosecutable.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You said there’s two options.

One, they committed no crime and therefore they haven’t received a pardon. Which is fine because they can’t be prosecuted without having committed a crime.

No....I've explained this to you already....

They haven't been found to have committed a crime, because there hasn't been an investigation. A pardon issued against no crime that has been found is not valid. That's not to say a crime hasn't been committed, it's to say that no investigation has been done to see IF a crime has been committed. Since we don't know if a crime has been committed, there is nothing to pardon. Revoke the pardon in order to investigate to see if a crime had been committed.

Had biden done that, had an investigation done, and they were found to have committed federal crimes, THEN biden pull have pardoned them.

Two, they did commit a crime and therefore they received a pardon and can’t be prosecuted.

Correct, but everyone should know what federal crimes they committed.

 

[Marener]

They haven't been found to have committed a crime, because there hasn't been an investigation. A pardon issued against no crime that has been found is not valid. That's not to say a crime hasn't been committed, it's to say that no investigation has been done to see IF a crime has been committed. Since we don't know if a crime has been committed, there is nothing to pardon. Revoke the pardon in order to investigate to see if a crime had been committed.

A crime has been committed (or not committed) regardless of the fact that it’s identified or investigated. If you revoke a pardon because there’s no crime, and you do find a crime, then your reason for revoking a pardon was fraudulent.

Had biden done that, had an investigation done, and they were found to have committed federal crimes, THEN biden pull have pardoned them.

There is no such requirement in the constitution

 

[Blisterfinger]

Sure dude.

Seems to be happening as we speak. You Communists belong in the shit pile of History.

 

[Marener]

Seems to be happening as we speak.

Hahahahaha! Sure it is. Right.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Hahahahaha! Sure it is. Right.

You Communists belong in the shit pile of History. Maga is here to put you there.

 

[Marener]

You Communists belong in the shit pile of History. Maga is here to put you there.

They already walked it back to the point that he was just asking questions.

Trump gets you dipshits to believe the dumbest crap.

 

[Orangecat]

In 2005, former President George W. Bush asked his Justice Department to determine whether signing legislation passed by Congress with an autopen is constitutional, given that the U.S. Constitution dictates in Article I, Section 7 that presidents "shall sign" bills into law. The government's lawyers determined the president "need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law" and may "direct a subordinate to affix the President's signature to the bill."

Biden may have signed documents with autopen — like many presidents before him

U.S. presidents have used autopens since Thomas Jefferson; the first to use an autopen to sign a law was Barack Obama.

www.snopes.com

So, all we really have is a DOJ opinion on the use of an auto pen.

It should go before SCOTUS by way of charging one of those pardoned to settle the matter for good and all.

The auto pen should be illegal. At least there’s a physical limit to the amount of executive orders a POTUS can sign when each one has to be done by hand.

 

[Orangecat]

Trump gets you dipshits to believe the dumbest crap.

Are you still masked up when driving alone?

 

[Blisterfinger]

They already walked it back to the point that he was just asking questions.

Trump gets you dipshits to believe the dumbest crap.

Trump triggers you communists. He is excellent at trolling, remember the garbage truck LOL. Trump has practically ruined your news outlets CNN and MSNBC. It is our turn now for political prosecution except it is more than just political because you actually are Criminal. Buckle up baby

 

[Marener]

Trump triggers you communists. He is excellent at trolling, remember the garbage truck LOL. Trump has practically ruined your news outlets CNN and MSNBC. It is our turn now for political prosecution except it is more than just political because you actually are Criminal. Buckle up baby

Exactly. He’s trolling.

But you believe he’s serious. That’s what’s sad.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Exactly. He’s trolling.

But you believe he’s serious. That’s what’s sad.

It's funny and effective. You just don't have a sense of humor because well you're a communist LOL

 

[Nostra]

Is there any actual evidence Biden signed these groundbreaking pardons that prevented Trump from becoming a dictator and throw all Dimwingers in gulags?

Seems to me that should have been a big deal.

 

[Marener]

It's funny and effective. You just don't have a sense of humor because well you're a communist LOL

“effective” at trolling, but legally meaningless and soon to be forgotten.

Effective at making you dopes look stupid because you take it seriously.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It makes perfect sense. As I've explained multiple times

Not in the slightest.

 

[ThisIsMe]

A crime has been committed (or not committed) regardless of the fact that it’s identified or investigated. If you revoke a pardon because there’s no crime, and you do find a crime, then your reason for revoking a pardon was fraudulent.

If a pardon is issued based upon nothing, it's not valid. As per YOUR article, a pardon MUST follow a crime. So, if the pardon is valid....then what is the crime?

There is no such requirement in the constitution

No, but a crime has to have been committed...

I think at this point, I've explained in every way and we are going round and round. You've presented a link that foils your own argument, which agrees with my original statement that I posted....200 posts ago?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Not in the slightest.

Sure it does! You Just want to ignore it

 

[Marener]

If a pardon is issued based upon nothing, it's not valid. As per YOUR article, a pardon MUST follow a crime. So, if the pardon is valid....then what is the crime?

And if you decide to investigate and identify the crime, then the pardon is valid.

 

[Nostra]

“effective” at trolling, but legally meaningless and soon to be forgotten.

Effective at making you dopes look stupid because you take it seriously.

The only people taking it seriously are you dopes who start 73 pissy pants threads a day about anything Trump does or says.