Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[otto105]

Yes, all of Trump's pardons that he didn't sign should be invalid.

We need to verify if he did sign all the J6 pardons.

 

[Blisterfinger]

No. I have no idea what the “standard” FBI procedure is. I doubt there is any “standard procedure”

Tell me how the FBI agents determined he was lying. Do you know?

The way the FBI treated flynn was most certainly not standard procedure. It's called political persecution lawfare . It's a good thing Trump was president to Pardon him. Vile democrats good for nothing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-entrapment-11544658915

 

[Billiejeens]

No. I have no idea what the “standard” FBI procedure is. I doubt there is any “standard procedure”

Tell me how the FBI agents determined he was lying. Do you know?

They stated that he wasn't lying because what he stated was consistent with what they knew to be true.

It really was that simple

 

[Blisterfinger]

We need to verify if he did sign all the J6 pardons.

Go ahead simp.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Then you are admitting you're wrong that Trump could pardon all Republicans for anything going forward.

Where did I say that?

 

[Marener]

They stated that he wasn't lying because what he stated was consistent with what they knew to be true.

Did they know the summary of Flynn’s phone call with Kislyak?

 

[egp320i]

for what reason? if you forge somebody's name it's fraud
Biden did not sign all those EO's last minute, his brain was fried and his hands did not work

it's forgery

Scotus can'd

No, it is not. The autopen is legal. You can't make a case.

yes it's legit if the president has a clue what he's actually signing
he ripped off EO's like they were just gift cards with the auto-pen

this does not sound a bit easy?

do you think biden had time to read through them all or just copy and paste?

his staff dumped them in his face and said sign these and he did, no questions asked

was there a witness that HE did it or his staffed helped......in that case yes it's forgery

 

[ThisIsMe]

You never know what crimes may come up. What would have happened if Trump pardoned himself in January 2021. Hardly any of the federal cases against him would have been dead in the water. Of course, he was also prosecuted by the state of NY.

sure, you may not know, but that's not the point. If you don't need a crime, then there is no restriction on the power to pardon.

The cotus certainly doesn't address when the crimes must occur for a pardon to be given.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I say Flynn is guilty because the facts and his plea say he was guilty.

I don’t think his accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

You Just said "michael Flynn took a pardon. Are you all agreeing he was guilty"?

Basically.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Where did I say that?

You said the Constitution placed no restrictions on the presidential pardon and that I should study up on it . Were you wrong ?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Law dictionary.

PARDON Definition & Meaning - Black's Law Dictionary

Find the legal definition of PARDON from Black's Law Dictionary, 2nd Edition. An act of grace, proceeding from tlie power intrusted with the execution of the laws, which exempts the individual on whom it is bestowed from the...

thelawdictionary.org

OK, so that says a pardon is only extended when a crime has been committed...so now we're back to what federal crime did the J6 committee commit?

 

[ThisIsMe]

The pardon specifically states it is for any and all crimes against the United States during the period X to Y.

OK, so this is to suggest a crime had been committed. So, now we're admitting the J6 committe had committed federal crimes?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Scotus can'd

yes it's legit if the president has a clue what he's actually signing
he ripped off EO's like they were just gift cards with the auto-pen

this does not sound a bit easy?

do you think biden had time to read through them all or just copy and paste?

his staff dumped them in his face and said sign these and he did, no questions asked

was there a witness that HE did it or his staffed helped......in that case yes it's forgery

The signatures are verified, logged, and retained.

You have to make a case that was not the case.

 

[ThisIsMe]

No. The definition of pardon is for past crimes. SCOTUS said as much in ex parte Garland.

The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon thePresident is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extendsto every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any timeafter its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken orduring their pendency, or after conviction and judgment. The poweris not subject to legislative control.

OK, that article says that a pardon can only happen after the commission of a crime. So unless someone can articulate a federal crime the J6 committee has committed...bidens pardon of them is invalid.

 

[Blisterfinger]

OK, that article says that a pardon can only happen after the commission of a crime. So unless someone can articulate a federal crime the J6 committee has committed...bidens pardon of them is invalid.

Plus it's questionable that he even signed it and knew what it was about.

 

[Marener]

OK, that article says that a pardon can only happen after the commission of a crime. So unless someone can articulate a federal crime the J6 committee has committed...bidens pardon of them is invalid.

Again, the crimes being pardoned are stipulated. There’s no ambiguity.

 

[Marener]

OK, so that says a pardon is only extended when a crime has been committed...so now we're back to what federal crime did the J6 committee commit?

You tell me. I don’t care.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

sure, you may not know, but that's not the point. If you don't need a crime, then there is no restriction on the power to pardon.

The cotus certainly doesn't address when the crimes must occur for a pardon to be given.

Pardoning a future crime is not a pardon. That's called immunity as another poster was so ineloquently argued. That is why a future pardon cannot exist.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

OK, that article says that a pardon can only happen after the commission of a crime. So unless someone can articulate a federal crime the J6 committee has committed...bidens pardon of them is invalid.

The key word you are missing is "alleged".

 

[Blisterfinger]

Again, the crimes being pardoned are stipulated. There’s no ambiguity.

What were the crimes stipulated? What did the January 6th committee do? Why are you so concerned about them getting prosecuted?