Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[Blisterfinger]

There was no crime stipulated. They want to take "any and all" and say that THAT is enough, yet, their own links say that a pardon comes after a crime...as I originally stated when I entered this argument lol

They want to thumb their nose at what the law says and say that biden can pardon someone for any crime they MAY have committed, though, I think it was marener who said the real reason out loud, that biden pardoned them to prevent trump from investigating them..which goes against the law article that they just linked that says a pardon has to come after the commission of a crime.

Marener is just an evil little hack only concerned with political power. Why else would you not want to know anything about the corruption that went on in the Biden Administration? Why else would you want criminals to get away with treasonous activity. These Democrats are brain dead and stupid.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I never said they committed any crime. That should be obvious by now.

Sure you did...you linked an article that says a pardon follows a crime, and you say the pardon is valid...so that means you think they committed federal crimes

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Baloney. Prosecutors grant immunity all the time.

As I said this will go to the courts where it belongs.

Immunity is not a pardon, and a pardon is not immunity, dumbass! There is nothing to decide. There is no judicial review for pardons. It is not in the Constitution.

 

[Marener]

you have already said that the biden pardon was preemptive to ward off trump going after them. If that is true, then the pardon didn't follow a crime...means it's invalid.

That doesn’t make any sense. The crime doesn’t occur when it’s investigated. It occurs when it’s committed.

 

[ThisIsMe]

He's been running from that question for about 12 hours now.

He'll never answer it because it blows his argument to smithereens. And he lies, too.

Leftsts are like that.

He/she seems to be wanting it both ways. They want to say that "any and all" satisfies it, but also want to say that no crime has been committed.

 

[egp320i]

it all boils down to, was biden of sounds mind when some staff member dumped a bunch of pardons on his desk?

Mr president, you have pardons to sign ASAP, but I don't have time to read through them all.

It's alright, they are all for a good cause.......um OK.......stamp, stamp, stamp

 

[Blisterfinger]

OK, so you are saying a federal crime was committed? What was it? By him saying "all of them" must mean the committed a bunch of crimes...

Marener doesn't know and doesn't care. It's all about protecting his Heroes who hate Trump. The means always justify the ends for a leftist no matter how criminal it was. Not a great way to run a society.

 

[Marener]

Sure you did...you linked an article that says a pardon follows a crime, and you say the pardon is valid...so that means you think they committed federal crimes

Nope. Pardons can be used to correct an improper prosecution of someone who committed no crime.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It’s a dishonest question and I’ve explained it many times. In the same vein as asking when you stop being your wife.

You've not explained it, you've simply tried to keep running around the truth.

There are only 2 options:

1) they committed multiple federal crimes making bidens pardon valid

2) there was no federal crime committed and bidens pardon is invalid.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Hilarious

Oh? What part? Feel free to add your thoughts.

 

[buckeye]

Immunity is not a pardon, and a pardon is not immunity, dumbass! There is nothing to decide. There is no judicial review for pardons. It is not in the Constitution.

Calm down. We disagree. What is wrong with you that you can't accept that? And I might mention you've been wrong more than once during this exchange.

 

[ThisIsMe]

For the nth time, I’ve not said that at all.

sure, but, you can't pardon someone who hasn't committed any crimes, right? Your link just said so.

So, if biden pardoned them, then a federal crime HAD to have been committed. There is no other way.

 

[Marener]

You've not explained it, you've simply tried to keep running around the truth.

There are only 2 options:

1) they committed multiple federal crimes making bidens pardon valid

2) there was no federal crime committed and bidens pardon is invalid.

Great. So you’re saying they can’t be prosecuted under any circumstances for the time frame covered in the pardon. Agree?

 

[otto105]

If the pardon isn't valid, then they can be investigated.

you have already said that the biden pardon was preemptive to ward off trump going after them. If that is true, then the pardon didn't follow a crime...means it's invalid.

If the pardon is valid, then a crime HAS to have been committed. You can't have it both ways.

The pardons are valid no matter your idiotic wingnut noise machine tells you.

 

[ThisIsMe]

That doesn’t make any sense. The crime doesn’t occur when it’s investigated. It occurs when it’s committed.

You said the reason for bidens pardon was to stop trump from going after them. This means the pardon wasn't for a crime that had been committed, which means his pardon is not valid..

 

[buckeye]

He/she seems to be wanting it both ways. They want to say that "any and all" satisfies it, but also want to say that no crime has been committed.

And they act oblivious to their contradictions and talk in circles.

 

[Marener]

You said the reason for bidens pardon was to stop trump from going after them. This means the pardon wasn't for a crime that had been committed, which means his pardon is not valid..

It’s for whatever crime Trump’s cronies think they could try to prosecute against them.

That’s what makes it preemptive.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Nope. Pardons can be used to correct an improper prosecution of someone who committed no crime.

To correct someone who was wrong CONVICTED of a crime. This means there was a conviction.

But your own link says a pardon must come after the commission of a crime. It can't be used to stop and investigation, unless that investigation follows a commission of a crime.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Great. So you’re saying they can’t be prosecuted under any circumstances for the time frame covered in the pardon. Agree?

No, I'm saying if the pardon is valid, then they DID commit federal crimes.

If they didn't commit crimes, then the pardon is not valid and they can be investigated.

 

[Marener]

To correct someone who was wrong CONVICTED of a crime. This means there was a conviction.

But your own link says a pardon must come after the commission of a crime. It can't be used to stop and investigation, unless that investigation follows a commission of a crime.

At least you’re recognizing the fact that a pardon does not mean a crime has been committed.