AP Poll: Americans prioritize religious liberties over gay marriage by wide margin

[Kondor3]

Sick, depraved, filthy, unclean, sinful, sexual deviants and perverts (homosexuals) don't have cooties.

They have a sickness, of the soul.

The fewer the interactions, the less chance that the pestilence will undermine society.

Guy, your life isn't miserable because gays can be out in the open.

Your life is miserable because the rich are screwing you.

Doesn't matter.

My (good) life has no bearing upon the despicable nature of homosexuality nor our huge mistake as a society at-large in recently legitimizing and mainstreaming it.

 

[Kondor3]

Bring Back Roman Lions!

Nahhhh... given that Christians are the dominant religious demographic in the United States, sooner or later they'll throw the atheists in the arena as a preemptive strike.

 

[JoeB131]

Nahhhh... given that Christians are the dominant religious demographic in the United States, sooner or later they'll throw the atheists in the arena as a preemptive strike.

guy, you think that a bunch of nominal Christians who sin like the dickens gives a **** about you holier than thou types.

Doesn't matter.

My (good) life has no bearing upon the despicable nature of homosexuality nor our huge mistake as a society at-large in recently legitimizing and mainstream it.

A happy person doesn't spend as much time hating as you do.

Point is, gay marriage doesn't have any effect on your life. People being gay has no effect on your life.

 

[Kondor3]

...A happy person doesn't spend as much time hating as you do...

I don't hate. I shun. I remind. But I can see why you'd attempt (and fail) to portray it in that fashion.

...Point is, gay marriage doesn't have any effect on your life. People being gay has no effect on your life.

Incorrect. Point is that the open legitimizing and mainstreaming of homosexuality is symptomatic of degeneracy and libertine rot setting-in, in any society.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Point is that the open legitimizing and mainstreaming of homosexuality is symptomatic of degeneracy and libertine rot setting-in, in any society.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Your religion is opposed to free speech and freedom of religion.

Why should your religion get to dictate that We the People are not all equal under the law?

 

[Kondor3]

Point is that the open legitimizing and mainstreaming of homosexuality is symptomatic of degeneracy and libertine rot setting-in, in any society.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Your religion is opposed to free speech and freedom of religion.

Why should your religion get to dictate that We the People are not all equal under the law?

Various religions do not dictate that We the People are not all equal under the law.

Various religions (and US secular law, until very recently) merely maintain that sexual deviance and perversion (homosexuality) should not be legitimized nor mainstreamed in the public life of the nation.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Point is that the open legitimizing and mainstreaming of homosexuality is symptomatic of degeneracy and libertine rot setting-in, in any society.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Your religion is opposed to free speech and freedom of religion.

Why should your religion get to dictate that We the People are not all equal under the law?

Various religions do not dictate that We the People are not all equal under the law.

Various religions (and US secular law, until very recently) merely maintain that sexual deviance and perversion (homosexuality) should not be legitimized nor mainstreamed in the public life of the nation.

Great job backpedalling now.

And no, you don't speak for various religions. You speak for your own myopic unamerican bigotry and hatred.

 

[Nosmo King]

You leave out one key component.

Homosexuality is wrong... it is wicked... it is evil... it is unnatural... it is to be shunned.

As has been the case in this very country until just recently - as well as most of the rest of the world.

Until Liberal-leaning activist jurists decided to throw morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda.

You make a sweet, reasonable and cogent case - nolo contendere.

It's a damned shame that such a keen-edged performance is served-up on behalf of degenerates and libertines and wickedness.

Churches that condone homosexuality are not particularly loving and forgiving and tolerant.

Merely far more worldly and far less moral and weak...

Blowing with the prevailing winds and taking the path of least resistance - now lacking the courage to sustain their former and far more righteous position.

Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

It is not 'progress' to cave into the demands of perversion and wickedness.

It is degeneracy and appeasement and lemming-like behavior.

A damned fine try, this last bit, but...

No sale.

Ah! Righteousness! It's funny what the 'righteous' will consider verboten. At one point in time it was the heretic. Then the Jew, the Gypsy, the physically deformed, the albino, the hunchback, the witch, the Black man. And one thing remains a constant. The righteous ALWAYS fear, shun, demonize and dismiss the different, the anomaly, the non-conformist.

And the zeal of the righteous is so strong that abandoning the primary tenets of their faith is no obstacle to their pursuit of that which is proclaimed to be evil, wicked, perverted and licentious. All the directives of Christ are subjugated to promote the dogma the zealous righteous use as an aegis to further their purge of the unacceptable. Righteousness, in the extreme is nothing but a set of intellectual blinders obscuring truth, love, unity and forgiveness.

And I wonder where you drew the conclusion that churches not swept up in a political witch hunt or driven by zealous hatred for the different are less loving communities. How can love be increased by adding hate and fear? How can unity be furthered by adding division? How can truth be promoted by preaching stereotype? And how can a church that welcomes people with a forgiving heart be weaker?

You also spoke of the Supreme Court throw(ing) morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda. What agenda might that be? A nation worthy of its billing as the Land of the Free? A nation that extends all the rights enjoyed by its citizens to a group that, prior to this decision, had been ostracized, diminished, outcast and even criminalized simply because of their sexual behavior between two consenting adults. Homosexuality used to be a criminal offense, in spite of the fact that homosexual behavior is not an offense that harms anyone else. Strange behavior for a nation claiming to be a beacon of liberty.

Here's a quote that leaves me in a quandary: Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

Age old and time honored traditions of division, fear, suspicion of the unknown, working from stereotype and anecdote are churches unworthy of the name 'church'. There is no honor in furthering division and hate. Such churches are not admirable as communities gathered in worship of Jesus Christ who taught love and forgiveness. Such churches use obscure dogma to exploit the lack of intellectual curiosity of its congregants and are a blight on society.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You leave out one key component.

Homosexuality is wrong... it is wicked... it is evil... it is unnatural... it is to be shunned.

As has been the case in this very country until just recently - as well as most of the rest of the world.

Until Liberal-leaning activist jurists decided to throw morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda.

You make a sweet, reasonable and cogent case - nolo contendere.

It's a damned shame that such a keen-edged performance is served-up on behalf of degenerates and libertines and wickedness.

Churches that condone homosexuality are not particularly loving and forgiving and tolerant.

Merely far more worldly and far less moral and weak...

Blowing with the prevailing winds and taking the path of least resistance - now lacking the courage to sustain their former and far more righteous position.

Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

It is not 'progress' to cave into the demands of perversion and wickedness.

It is degeneracy and appeasement and lemming-like behavior.

A damned fine try, this last bit, but...

No sale.

Ah! Righteousness! It's funny what the 'righteous' will consider verboten. At one point in time it was the heretic. Then the Jew, the Gypsy, the physically deformed, the albino, the hunchback, the witch, the Black man. And one thing remains a constant. The righteous ALWAYS fear, shun, demonize and dismiss the different, the anomaly, the non-conformist.

And the zeal of the righteous is so strong that abandoning the primary tenets of their faith is no obstacle to their pursuit of that which is proclaimed to be evil, wicked, perverted and licentious. All the directives of Christ are subjugated to promote the dogma the zealous righteous use as an aegis to further their purge of the unacceptable. Righteousness, in the extreme is nothing but a set of intellectual blinders obscuring truth, love, unity and forgiveness.

And I wonder where you drew the conclusion that churches not swept up in a political witch hunt or driven by zealous hatred for the different are less loving communities. How can love be increased by adding hate and fear? How can unity be furthered by adding division? How can truth be promoted by preaching stereotype? And how can a church that welcomes people with a forgiving heart be weaker?

You also spoke of the Supreme Court throw(ing) morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda. What agenda might that be? A nation worthy of its billing as the Land of the Free? A nation that extends all the rights enjoyed by its citizens to a group that, prior to this decision, had been ostracized, diminished, outcast and even criminalized simply because of their sexual behavior between two consenting adults. Homosexuality used to be a criminal offense, in spite of the fact that homosexual behavior is not an offense that harms anyo9ne else. Strange behavior for a nation claiming to be a beacon of liberty.

Here's a quote that leaves me in a quandary: Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

Age old and time honored traditions of division, fear, suspicion of the unknown, working from stereotype and anecdote are churches unworthy of the name 'church'. There is no honor in furthering division and hate. Such churches are not admirable as communities gathered in worship of Jesus Christ who taught love and forgiveness. Such churches use obscure dogma, exploit the lack of intellectual curiosity of its congregants and are a blight on society.

Well said, sir, well said.

The hate that kondor preaches is antithetical to everything that religion claims to stand for and everything that America is supposed to stand for.

 

[Nosmo King]

You leave out one key component.

Homosexuality is wrong... it is wicked... it is evil... it is unnatural... it is to be shunned.

As has been the case in this very country until just recently - as well as most of the rest of the world.

Until Liberal-leaning activist jurists decided to throw morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda.

You make a sweet, reasonable and cogent case - nolo contendere.

It's a damned shame that such a keen-edged performance is served-up on behalf of degenerates and libertines and wickedness.

Churches that condone homosexuality are not particularly loving and forgiving and tolerant.

Merely far more worldly and far less moral and weak...

Blowing with the prevailing winds and taking the path of least resistance - now lacking the courage to sustain their former and far more righteous position.

Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

It is not 'progress' to cave into the demands of perversion and wickedness.

It is degeneracy and appeasement and lemming-like behavior.

A damned fine try, this last bit, but...

No sale.

Ah! Righteousness! It's funny what the 'righteous' will consider verboten. At one point in time it was the heretic. Then the Jew, the Gypsy, the physically deformed, the albino, the hunchback, the witch, the Black man. And one thing remains a constant. The righteous ALWAYS fear, shun, demonize and dismiss the different, the anomaly, the non-conformist.

And the zeal of the righteous is so strong that abandoning the primary tenets of their faith is no obstacle to their pursuit of that which is proclaimed to be evil, wicked, perverted and licentious. All the directives of Christ are subjugated to promote the dogma the zealous righteous use as an aegis to further their purge of the unacceptable. Righteousness, in the extreme is nothing but a set of intellectual blinders obscuring truth, love, unity and forgiveness.

And I wonder where you drew the conclusion that churches not swept up in a political witch hunt or driven by zealous hatred for the different are less loving communities. How can love be increased by adding hate and fear? How can unity be furthered by adding division? How can truth be promoted by preaching stereotype? And how can a church that welcomes people with a forgiving heart be weaker?

You also spoke of the Supreme Court throw(ing) morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda. What agenda might that be? A nation worthy of its billing as the Land of the Free? A nation that extends all the rights enjoyed by its citizens to a group that, prior to this decision, had been ostracized, diminished, outcast and even criminalized simply because of their sexual behavior between two consenting adults. Homosexuality used to be a criminal offense, in spite of the fact that homosexual behavior is not an offense that harms anyo9ne else. Strange behavior for a nation claiming to be a beacon of liberty.

Here's a quote that leaves me in a quandary: Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

Age old and time honored traditions of division, fear, suspicion of the unknown, working from stereotype and anecdote are churches unworthy of the name 'church'. There is no honor in furthering division and hate. Such churches are not admirable as communities gathered in worship of Jesus Christ who taught love and forgiveness. Such churches use obscure dogma, exploit the lack of intellectual curiosity of its congregants and are a blight on society.

Well said, sir, well said.

The hate that kondor preaches is antithetical to everything that religion claims to stand for and everything that America is supposed to stand for.

It isn't even religion. No Christian community acts first from hatred when the commandment Jesus gave the world was to love one another. Any religion that claims other wise is not a religion, but a group wracked with fear and an utter lack of intellectual curiosity. God endowed mankind with a massive brain pan. To eschew the capabilities of that brain pan to ferret out truth is not a tenet of faith that deserves constitutional protection.

And which template of righteousness is adequate to satisfy the zealous righteous? The Orthodox Jew has a template of righteousness that extends beyond the hatred of homosexuals to provide dietary rules, rules for hygiene, rules for dress, social comportment, business transactions and observance of the Sabbath. The Amish community also has such rules. Of course, fundamentalist Islam has its own rules too. But we disregard those religious rules when legislating in our secular society.

But some fundamentalist 'Christians' insist that their interpretations of scripture and their template of morality should serve the entire nation, even if the entire nation dismisses them as puritanical crackpots.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You leave out one key component.

Homosexuality is wrong... it is wicked... it is evil... it is unnatural... it is to be shunned.

As has been the case in this very country until just recently - as well as most of the rest of the world.

Until Liberal-leaning activist jurists decided to throw morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda.

You make a sweet, reasonable and cogent case - nolo contendere.

It's a damned shame that such a keen-edged performance is served-up on behalf of degenerates and libertines and wickedness.

Churches that condone homosexuality are not particularly loving and forgiving and tolerant.

Merely far more worldly and far less moral and weak...

Blowing with the prevailing winds and taking the path of least resistance - now lacking the courage to sustain their former and far more righteous position.

Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

It is not 'progress' to cave into the demands of perversion and wickedness.

It is degeneracy and appeasement and lemming-like behavior.

A damned fine try, this last bit, but...

No sale.

Ah! Righteousness! It's funny what the 'righteous' will consider verboten. At one point in time it was the heretic. Then the Jew, the Gypsy, the physically deformed, the albino, the hunchback, the witch, the Black man. And one thing remains a constant. The righteous ALWAYS fear, shun, demonize and dismiss the different, the anomaly, the non-conformist.

And the zeal of the righteous is so strong that abandoning the primary tenets of their faith is no obstacle to their pursuit of that which is proclaimed to be evil, wicked, perverted and licentious. All the directives of Christ are subjugated to promote the dogma the zealous righteous use as an aegis to further their purge of the unacceptable. Righteousness, in the extreme is nothing but a set of intellectual blinders obscuring truth, love, unity and forgiveness.

And I wonder where you drew the conclusion that churches not swept up in a political witch hunt or driven by zealous hatred for the different are less loving communities. How can love be increased by adding hate and fear? How can unity be furthered by adding division? How can truth be promoted by preaching stereotype? And how can a church that welcomes people with a forgiving heart be weaker?

You also spoke of the Supreme Court throw(ing) morality and righteousness out the window under the guise of re-interpreting the Constitution to suit their agenda. What agenda might that be? A nation worthy of its billing as the Land of the Free? A nation that extends all the rights enjoyed by its citizens to a group that, prior to this decision, had been ostracized, diminished, outcast and even criminalized simply because of their sexual behavior between two consenting adults. Homosexuality used to be a criminal offense, in spite of the fact that homosexual behavior is not an offense that harms anyo9ne else. Strange behavior for a nation claiming to be a beacon of liberty.

Here's a quote that leaves me in a quandary: Churches that continue to condemn homosexuality merely sustain the ages-old and time-honored and righteous position against such filth and deviancy and perversion.

Age old and time honored traditions of division, fear, suspicion of the unknown, working from stereotype and anecdote are churches unworthy of the name 'church'. There is no honor in furthering division and hate. Such churches are not admirable as communities gathered in worship of Jesus Christ who taught love and forgiveness. Such churches use obscure dogma, exploit the lack of intellectual curiosity of its congregants and are a blight on society.

Well said, sir, well said.

The hate that kondor preaches is antithetical to everything that religion claims to stand for and everything that America is supposed to stand for.

It isn't even religion. No Christian community acts first from hatred when the commandment Jesus gave the world was to love one another. Any religion that claims other wise is not a religion, but a group wracked with fear and an utter lack of intellectual curiosity. God endowed mankind with a massive brain pan. To eschew the capabilities of that brain pan to ferret out truth is not a tenet of faith that deserves constitutional protection.

And which template of righteousness is adequate to satisfy the zealous righteous? The Orthodox Jew has a template of righteousness that extends beyond the hatred of homosexuals to provide dietary rules, rules for hygiene, rules for dress, social comportment, business transactions and observance of the Sabbath. The Amish community also has such rules. Of course, fundamentalist Islam has its own rules too. But we disregard those religious rules when legislating in our secular society.

But some fundamentalist 'Christians' insist that their interpretations of scripture and their template of morality should serve the entire nation, even if the entire nation dismisses them as puritanical crackpots.

From my perspective I see two entirely different types of religions and yes, this goes across the board.

There is the type of religion, such as you describe, based upon love for your fellow man and doing unto others.

Then there are fear based religions where people only believe out of mortal fear for their souls such as the one that kondor belongs to.

To me they are diametric opposites even though both might profess to stem from the same holy book.

The Founding Fathers were of sound mind when they chose to build that wall of separation because it wasn't the religions of love that they feared would harm this nation.

 

[jillian]

Don't bring your ****** degeneracy talk here.

Kenyan Leaders To Obama: We’ll Throw Rotten Eggs At You If You Talk About LGBT Rights Here

Like more than half of all countries in Africa, homosexuality is criminalized in Kenya.

No doubt you feel good about yourself calling people faggots.

Mostly you're a loser

 

[Nosmo King]

Don't bring your ****** degeneracy talk here.

Kenyan Leaders To Obama: We’ll Throw Rotten Eggs At You If You Talk About LGBT Rights Here

Like more than half of all countries in Africa, homosexuality is criminalized in Kenya.

No doubt you feel good about yourself calling people faggots.

Mostly you're a loser

KENYA! The paradigm of human rights for those who simply hate human rights.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't hate. I shun. I remind. But I can see why you'd attempt (and fail) to portray it in that fashion.

Guy, if you can't see your own hate, then you have a problem. Frankly, two guys having the poopy sex doesn't effect you in any way, but you expend a lot of energy caring about it.

Various religions do not dictate that We the People are not all equal under the law.

Various religions (and US secular law, until very recently) merely maintain that sexual deviance and perversion (homosexuality) should not be legitimized nor mainstreamed in the public life of the nation.

That's why religion is all manner of fucked up and we need to totally start ignoring that bullshit.

 

[Kondor3]

...two guys having the poopy sex doesn't effect you in any way, but you expend a lot of energy caring about it...

Nope. Couldn't care less, other than shunning them like the Freaks of Nature that they are. I merely stand alongside millions of other Americans in ensuring that the Gay Mafia doesn't get to spew their venom into America's face unchallenged. You, on the other hand, seem to spend a lot of time, trying to silence and discredit the Opposition. Epic Fail.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. Couldn't care less, other than shunning them like the Freaks of Nature that they are. I merely stand alongside millions of other Americans in ensuring that the Gay Mafia doesn't get to spew their venom into America's face unchallenged. You, on the other hand, seem to spend a lot of time, trying to silence and discredit the Opposition. Epic Fail.

Right. Here's the thing. Big Corporations have decided you bigots aren't worth listening to at this point, which is why all the Bigoted Bakers are getting slapped down on this issue.

 

[Kondor3]

Nope. Couldn't care less, other than shunning them like the Freaks of Nature that they are. I merely stand alongside millions of other Americans in ensuring that the Gay Mafia doesn't get to spew their venom into America's face unchallenged. You, on the other hand, seem to spend a lot of time, trying to silence and discredit the Opposition. Epic Fail.

Right. Here's the thing. Big Corporations have decided you bigots aren't worth listening to at this point, which is why all the Bigoted Bakers are getting slapped down on this issue.

Doesn't matter. Big Corporations always take the path of least resistance and blow with the prevailing wind. When the prevailing wind changes, so will they. Guaranteed.

 

[JoeB131]

Doesn't matter. Big Corporations always take the path of least resistance and blow with the prevailing wind. When the prevailing wind changes, so will they. Guaranteed.

Big corporations control the wind, dude. You are just too dumb to see the fan.

The reality is, they used homophobia to get stupid people like you to vote Republican, but now they realize that there's more money to be made with happy, productive gay workers.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The anti-Christian nuts truly are a minority:

"Overall, if there’s a conflict, a majority of those questioned think religious liberties should win out over gay rights, according to the poll. While 39 percent said it’s more important for the government to protect gay rights, 56 percent said protection of religious liberties should take precedence."

"59 percent of the poll respondents said wedding-related businesses with religious objections should be allowed to refuse service to gay and lesbian couples."

Trying to force Christians to serve you isn't going to go well.

AP Poll Americans prioritize religious liberties over gay marriage by wide margin Hot Air

Three different polls reveals support falling for the gays...

Within the past couple weeks, three separate national polls have been conducted on the issue of same-sex marriage. Interestingly, each of these three polls shows a decline in support for it. Both Ipsos/Reuters andGallup conducted polls in early July — just days after the Supreme Court handed its ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges. Both polls found a slight decline in the percentage of Americans who support same-sex marriage as compared to previous polls that each firm conducted earlier this spring.

Additionally, a third poll by the AP found that only 42 percent of Americans support same sex marriage. This is a decline of 6 points from the organization's last poll on the issue in April. It also found a significant increase in percentage of people — 59 percent in June vs. only 52 percent in April — who said wedding-related businesses with religious objections should be allowed to refuse service to gay and lesbian couples.

3 Recent Polls Show Support for Same-Sex Marriage Declining

 

[JoeB131]

At this point, completely irrelvent.

Gay marriage is legal in all 50 states now. Nothing you guys can do about it.