Answers to all your questions on UHC

[midcan5]

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What loss of liberty is there if everyone can obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

In a real sense government already controls healthcare through regulatory structure. Would you go to any quack? Unlicensed?

Do we as citizens want corporations, the AMA, the insurance companies, and the hospitals to control healthcare - because people, average working people sure don't. So yes, we need more competition even if it is government pulling some strings.

In the corporate world competition is actually agreement among the plutocracy or economic oligarchy. Choice is limited to all except the wealthy already. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

The Constitution thankfully misses a lot of things and we then can fill in the blanks based on what works best. It is a guide not a rule. The time has come for universal healthcare.

The majority of Americans want UHC, oddly worded survey questions created by interest groups are hardly the place for a decision on something so critical to our small businesses and to all of us.

Yes, government can do things well. Consider the following:

The military is pretty good, although I have to say they could save money too having been there done that. And veterans health services are darn good and well run.

Social security is excellent for lots of Americans. Medicare helps the old. Postal service for a few cents gets my packages to me and from me. Internet works well. Weather forecasting excellent.
Love those backroads and travel, good work there. Police have helped a few times. Money is insured. Food is safe. Planes are safe. And the museums and parks and history - all good.

Republicans naysayers are mostly corporate tools. Consider only their billion dollar gifts to the banks and then consider their opposition to minimum wage. Make sense!

"Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available.

"The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 8 million people since 2000.

"The large majority of the uninsured (80 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.

"The increase in the number of uninsured in 2006 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 19.7 percent in 2005 to 20.2 percent in 2006.1 Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006."

Do corporations do the right thing or even care? If they did would this debate still be going on? Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, and others realized we needed it long ago. Seems corporations do poor work for the people, they do wonderful work for the executives and certain congressman.

Government is all the people expressing themselves. Corporations are elitists, whose sole goal is profit and your care matters not at all. It used to be that healthcare insurers were non profit. Add profit to any picture and soon an Asian Indian on a video conference will manage your operation. OK, joke there.

Do the executives making millions really care that the working person has no healthcare? To some your death is cheaper than your care.

There are no saints, but concern and empathy, and that great America spirit are all missing in this picture of oh, 'this is hard', 'this is costly,' 'we can't do this!' Bah humbug, we can do it, we will do it.

UHC now.

10 Health Care Reform Myths - CBS News
The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
Snapshots: Health Care Spending in the United States and OECD Countries - Kaiser Family Foundation
Health Care Statistics | Health Care Problems
NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Coverage
Need for UHC
Why markets can’t cure healthcare - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com
Carl Ginsburg: The Actually Existing Health Care System
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/82/2/PHCBP.pdf
3rd UPDATE: UnitedHealth 2Q Profit Doubles, Membership Declines - WSJ.com

 

[Newby]

In the corporate world competition is actually agreement among the plutocracy or economic oligarchy. Choice is limited to all except the wealthy already. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

Funny, I thought you were referring to the federal government. How ironic. The federal government has a much bigger conflict of interest when it comes to your health care. When you die, they receive a percentage of your estate. When you die, they are not obligated to pay out the social security that you've paid into all of your life. When you die, they no longer have a burden on them to pay for your health care or any kind of disability. Once you reach a certain age, you are most definitely a liability to them. If you think they're going to give one damn about you or your life over what kind of money they can bring in by fascilitating your death, you're a moron. They'd much rather just 'give you a pill' and watch your numbered days dwindle, after all, you're just a drain on the collective and of no use to them anymore. If you think the insurance companies are cold, you haven't seen anything yet.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Answers only.

What loss of liberty is there if everyone can obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

Freedom means free to fail and have a bad time financially .Government programs to enslave generation is a crime.

 

[Big Black Dog]

What loss of liberty is there if everyone can obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life.

What have you been smoking today? Ever hear of being responsible for yourself? In spite of what you hear on television these days, the Constitution was not written to ensure that the government took care of you from cradle to grave. Health insurance is not a right granted by the Constitution. Get a grip and begin to manage your own life.

 

[Old Rocks]

What loss of liberty is there if everyone can obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life.

What have you been smoking today? Ever hear of being responsible for yourself? In spite of what you hear on television these days, the Constitution was not written to ensure that the government took care of you from cradle to grave. Health insurance is not a right granted by the Constitution. Get a grip and begin to manage your own life.

Why yes, I have heard of taking care of myself. And taking care of and for my neighbor, also. That is the whole purpose of a real Health Care System.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What loss of liberty is there if everyone can obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life.

What have you been smoking today? Ever hear of being responsible for yourself? In spite of what you hear on television these days, the Constitution was not written to ensure that the government took care of you from cradle to grave. Health insurance is not a right granted by the Constitution. Get a grip and begin to manage your own life.

Why yes, I have heard of taking care of myself. And taking care of and for my neighbor, also. That is the whole purpose of a real Health Care System.

Rocks is this NHC going to take care of those with some serious and no doubt expensive health care needs?....or are these unfortunate ones up shit creek like they are now?...how about the Elderly Rocks....are they going to get what meds they need to make it through the day?....or are they still up shit creek....how about those who need daily professional help....is the NHC going to help or just say ....sorry...like they do now?....is it going to be just the basics or are we going to have some decent shit?......

 

[Zoom-boing]

What have you been smoking today? Ever hear of being responsible for yourself? In spite of what you hear on television these days, the Constitution was not written to ensure that the government took care of you from cradle to grave. Health insurance is not a right granted by the Constitution. Get a grip and begin to manage your own life.

Why yes, I have heard of taking care of myself. And taking care of and for my neighbor, also. That is the whole purpose of a real Health Care System.

Rocks is this NHC going to take care of those with some serious and no doubt expensive health care needs?....or are these unfortunate ones up shit creek like they are now?...how about the Elderly Rocks....are they going to get what meds they need to make it through the day?....or are they still up shit creek....how about those who need daily professional help....is the NHC going to help or just say ....sorry...like they do now?....is it going to be just the basics or are we going to have some decent shit?......

Don't forget the mentally and physically challenged. You know, since they may not be able to contribute to society as well as the next guy.

 

[Gudrid]

In my opinion, we are controlled by corporations when it comes to healthcare. The free market doesn't work as a check, because there is no free market. The consumer is generally not the buyer. Instead, it's a corporation (purchasing group healthcare for a business) buying a product from another corporation (the private insurance companies). The end user, however, can't force a company to switch insurers due to poor care, and it's very difficult for a business - even a small one - to switch insurers for that many people. This essentially drives up the price merely because they can get away with it for even private healthcare to the point that only the higher income levels can realistically afford a decent private healthcare plan - and most people in those income brackets get insurance through their company anyway. So most people don't actually have any sort of realistic free market choice. Add in the lawsuit immunities, and you've essentially got a bloated monster with no control that exerts control almost to the point of tyranny over a large portion of the populace.

So there's the problem. What's the solution, if not government involvement? Pretty words aside, money is power, and there's a power balance issue here that has gotten out of hand to the point of people dying from not getting the healthcare they've paid for. Healthcare for profit just isn't working out so well.

 

[mattskramer]

Answers only.

What loss of liberty is there if everyone can obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life. To them your death is cheaper than your care.

Freedom means free to fail and have a bad time financially .Government programs to enslave generation is a crime.

What is your position on the "Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act"? It is a gross intrusion by government on the private sector - requiring hospitals to treat patients that have life-threatening emergencies even when some patients can't pay. If a hospital knows that an incoming patient is in dire need of help and that the patient has a life-threatening condition - and my have only hours to live if it doesn’t receive care - said Hospital should be free to escort the dying patient to the curb, right?

 

[Big Black Dog]

Why yes, I have heard of taking care of myself. And taking care of and for my neighbor, also. That is the whole purpose of a real Health Care System.

That is the whole purpose if you live in a socialist country. Why don't you move to one of those if you like that system so well.

 

[midcan5]

There are no saints, but concern and empathy, and that great America spirit are all missing in this picture of oh, 'this is hard', 'this is costly,' 'we can't do this!' Bah humbug, we can do it, we will do it.

I put in bold my last line as it answers the few meaningless quibbles from the peanut gallery of naysayers.

I love the 'cradle to grave' nonsense of wingnuts, I wonder if heart surgery were required would they perform it on themselves. Everyone who says this was surely taken care of by someone, grew up supported by others, was taught by others, and probably (if not still with mommy and daddy) helped along the way by still others. See my http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/50564-libertarianism-in-a-nutshell-ii.html

So since we as citizens, who live in a democratic society, that does what all societies have done since the beginning of time, that is, support its citizens through its unified strengths, it is long past time for UHC.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

What loss of liberty is there if everyone can obtain healthcare. Not having it is a real loss of freedom and liberty.

If freedom means anything, it means freedom from fear that an illness will destroy your savings and your life.

What have you been smoking today? Ever hear of being responsible for yourself? In spite of what you hear on television these days, the Constitution was not written to ensure that the government took care of you from cradle to grave. Health insurance is not a right granted by the Constitution. Get a grip and begin to manage your own life.

Why yes, I have heard of taking care of myself. And taking care of and for my neighbor, also. That is the whole purpose of a real Health Care System.

Fine buy a wing in your local hospital ,leave me and my family out of your charity fixation .

 

[veritas]

So since we as citizens, who live in a democratic society, that does what all societies have done since the beginning of time, that is, support its citizens through its unified strengths, it is long past time for UHC.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

yak yak yak

.Government is foremost force. Not concern nor empathy .

 

[midcan5]

That is the whole purpose if you live in a socialist country. Why don't you move to one of those if you like that system so well.

You should try at least to understand what socialism is before using it. It makes you look dumb when you only repeat slogans.

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[midcan5]

yak yak yak

.Government is foremost force. Not concern nor empathy .

Did the radio receiver in your head get that nugget of information from wingnut land, or did your empty head come up with it all on its own?


"The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts."

Quote DB :: Speeches :: George Washington :: George Washington's Farewell Address Speech

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.

Samuel Adams,

 

[Harry Dresden]

So since we as citizens, who live in a democratic society, that does what all societies have done since the beginning of time, that is, support its citizens through its unified strengths, it is long past time for UHC.

so who do you consider your fellow citizens?.....looking at your neo-leftist posts, i doubt that anyone who disagrees with you would fit the bill.....Pelosi is a Wingbat to you...

 

[Harry Dresden]

That is the whole purpose if you live in a socialist country. Why don't you move to one of those if you like that system so well.

You should try at least to understand what socialism is before using it. It makes you look dumb when you only repeat slogans.

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and you look DUMB repeating the Neo-Leftist Bullshit you throw up here EVERY TIME you post....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Did the radio receiver in your head get that nugget of information from wingnut land, or did your empty head come up with it all on its own?


"The unity of Government, which constitutes you one people, is also now dear to you. It is justly so; for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquillity at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very Liberty, which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee, that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed, to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment, that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the Palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion, that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts."

Quote DB :: Speeches :: George Washington :: George Washington's Farewell Address Speech

quoting Washington wont work for you Midcant....you dont believe what this says anyway....and if you dont believe me...go read your Neo-Leftist Bullshit....George would throw up if he knew you were quoting what he had to say....