Another Year And The Ones Who Were Involved In 911

[SAYIT]

...without it none of those who found that WTC 1 & 2 collapsed due to the severe localized impact damage and the ensuing chaotic fires would have viable careers. As it is, they do and you are left to piss into the wind. Such is life.

Integrity isn't the province of those more concerned about their reputations or the viability of their careers than with getting at the truth; it's the province of men like Copernicus, Bruno, and Galileo, whose livelihoods were adversely effected (to say the least) in the interest of discovery. Only a major deficiency in the integrity department would lead someone to believe otherwise.

And all have been free to search for what you prefer the truth to be and none have found it. To borrow Skylar's wrap up: no evidence of "Adamantium" or any other explosive was found nor has any of the "fireproof ninjas" with "mighty morphin' thermal cutters" necessary to perform the deed.

 

[Capstone]

And all have been free to search for what you prefer the truth to be and none have found it. ...

You betray yourself again. If truth were a matter of preference, I'd MUCH prefer it to be in line with the apple pie propaganda of my childhood beliefs.

Believe me, I don't enjoy the ridicule and stereotypes associated with my current beliefs any more than the amount of credence I lend to that ridicule (which is 0%).

...To borrow Skylar's wrap up: no evidence of "Adamantium" or any other explosive was found nor has any of the "fireproof ninjas" with "mighty morphin' thermal cutters" necessary to perform the deed.

Funny thing about "evidence" is that it tends to elude ( ) detection when nobody's really looking for it.

As for the fireproof ninjas, they'd only be "necessary" in the event that the ninjas were forced to wire the buildings on the day of the attack, which would NOT have been necessary by any contorted sense of the word.

 

[n0spam4me]

{"Adamantium" or any other explosive}

Look up what "Adamantium" is ....

The major problem here is that so many people consider the totally lame presentations by the mainstream media to be sufficient evidence to solidify a position that indeed hijacked airliners were used as weapons ( etc.... ) however there are a multitude of alternatives and it appears that the majority of the public is resistant to even considering any of those alternatives.

Thanks to whoever posted the link to the article about Charlie Veitch, very informative.
speaks volumes about the psychological warfare that is going on.

 

[daws101]

DO ALL WHAT? ---fire did it The
IMPACT of the planes did not bring the
towers down-----however I do believe that
it is possible that the terrorists thought it
might ---<< I do not know if they were also
"chemistry compromised"

do you know what a tiny little nuclear bomb
can do?

do you know what a single bullet to the brain
can do? ----I saw a case of a 22 ---deep in
they substance of the brain-----on C-T scan the brain looked fine----just a tiny metal object right in the center----the kid was young and
healthy looking ---about 25 years old----tiny
metal pellet in the center of his brain-----he was "brain dead" (by Harvard criteria)----
His parents could not believe that tiny little
metal object could cause so much damage----do you know what caused the damage?---
not the penetration-----THE HEAT!!!!!

I work with steel all the time it's melting point is around 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit
JP 4 jet fuel only get's to 1500 degrees tops

only twoofers that say melting. steel weakens and bends at 570 degrees.
Heat

• In the investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers in 2001, the failure of the structural steel has been attributed in part to the fires ignited by jet fuel that spread throughout several floors. While estimates vary, the jet fuel fires could have created temperatures as high as 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit. Research has shown that steel begins to weaken at approximately 570 degrees Fahrenheit, and that the critical temperature for failure is approximately 1,020 degrees Fahrenheit. This can vary widely with the load on top of that steel. The powerful impact of the airplanes as well as the intensity of the fire contributed to the collapse of the World Trade Center towers.

Read more : What Weakens Steel eHow
.

National Geographic should be seriously ashamed of this farce that they promoted.
The first highly disingenuous bit about this is the fact that the piece of steel isn't connected to anything its simply a single beam that has load stacked on it and heated, however, in the case of the towers, there had been fire in parts of the tower, and no fire in other parts, the parts that had no fire would function as a heat-sink and the steel would conduct off the heat rather than raising the temperature of the single bit.
also there is a study that has been done either by UL or their British counterpart that subjected building steel to fire and did so for longer burn times than the towers experienced and the ONLY effect of this was some deformation of floor trusses but NO danger of collapse for the structure. The other feature of this that is not being properly addressed is the fact that the towers came down in a manner that required all of the physical connections in any given floor-level to fail all at the same time, because if they did not, the mass above the as yet undamaged part of the tower, would have to tip shifting its center of gravity and dumping mass quantities of rubble over one side of the tower and stopping the action before the total destruction of the tower.

funny this is the same twoofer bullshit I hear every time nat geo obliterates the twoofer myth of fire can't bend steel..
one more thing shit for brains your heat sink "theory" is a steaming pile.

I didn't say that fire can not heat up steel to the point that it will bend easily, I'm saying that not only would the fires in the WTC towers have a difficult time at heating up the steel sufficiently to do the job ( note precedent office fires in skyscrapers that have burned for many hours more than the towers and were not a hazard to the structure of the skyscraper ) The fact is that the towers could not have been destroyed as was on 9/11/2001 without the application of some engineering to make it happen the way that it did.

A feature of the BIG LIE, is that prestigious institutions become subverted to the cause of supporting a corrupt dynasty rather than seeking/reporting the TRUTH, the sort of response of "how dare you question Nation Geographic" .... really people, when any institution or for that matter the President may be out-of-line, It is our sacred duty to speak up and push back.

The excuse that I have not provided sufficient foundation for my claims used to justify nobody producing any documentation of the search for explosives or evidence of explosives having been used, is really lame, doesn't anybody desire the bragging rights to have said, "SEE, ... I shut-down the truther geek completely" but you see, I've been on-line for all the years since 9/11/2001 asking lots of questions and in all that time, not once has anybody produced the DOCUMENT. kinda makes a statement .... no?

the statement being you're a nut sack with no life and no education.
the internet is probably the only thing keeping you from molesting school children.

 

[n0spam4me]

"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence/ Carl Sagan."

It is a truly extraordinary claim that 19 suicidal Arabs hijacked 4 airliners and crashed said airliners in to the WTC towers + the PENTAGON,
witch raises the question:
"WHY did the worlds greatest military power fail to defend even its own HQ?"

whats up with that?

 

[Penelope]

"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence/ Carl Sagan."

It is a truly extraordinary claim that 19 suicidal Arabs hijacked 4 airliners and crashed said airliners in to the WTC towers + the PENTAGON,
witch raises the question:
"WHY did the worlds greatest military power fail to defend even its own HQ?"

whats up with that?

Actually Israel company was in charge of airport security, a Jew was in charge of the NY and NY Port Authority and the Twin Towers security also supplied by a Jewish company and owed by a Jewish man.

 

[daws101]

"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence/ Carl Sagan."

It is a truly extraordinary claim that 19 suicidal Arabs hijacked 4 airliners and crashed said airliners in to the WTC towers + the PENTAGON,
witch raises the question:
"WHY did the worlds greatest military power fail to defend even its own HQ?"

whats up with that?

another classic! I have no argument so I'll SHOWCASE my ignorance and misuse a quote from Carl Sagan
the short AND correct ANSWER IS THEY CAUGHT US WITH OUR PANTS DOWN.
DECEMBER 7TH 1941 SPRINGS TO MIND..

 

[daws101]

"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence/ Carl Sagan."

It is a truly extraordinary claim that 19 suicidal Arabs hijacked 4 airliners and crashed said airliners in to the WTC towers + the PENTAGON,
witch raises the question:
"WHY did the worlds greatest military power fail to defend even its own HQ?"

whats up with that?

Actually Israel company was in charge of airport security, a Jew was in charge of the NY and NY Port Authority and the Twin Towers security also supplied by a Jewish company and owed by a Jewish man.

NOT THE EVIL JEWS PLOY AGAIN!

 

[n0spam4me]

A: I'm not speculating as to exactly who did it, the matter of the real identity of the perpetrator(s) is still a totally open issue.
B: fact is... the hit to the south tower left no doubt at all as to the matter of "AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK" and then more than a half hour later the PENTAGON was hit, and during that more than half an hour, the AMERICAN military was doing exactly what?

 

[daws101]

A: I'm not speculating as to exactly who did it, the matter of the real identity of the perpetrator(s) is still a totally open issue.
B: fact is... the hit to the south tower left no doubt at all as to the matter of "AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK" and then more than a half hour later the PENTAGON was hit, and during that more than half an hour, the AMERICAN military was doing exactly what?

hit on the south tower? kinda contradicting yourself aren't you?
for a "hit" to happen a plane Had to be used.
the military and everybody else was still in the dark more than 1/2 an hour later.
fun fact: it takes a presidential order to mobilize troops in the usa.
it also takes a minimum 0f 30min to prep and arm interceptors and another presidential order for a shoot down.
also we don't shoot down civilian aircraft on a whim..

 

[n0spam4me]

Not my fault if some people refuse to engage in dialog on the subject.
fact is .... there were no airliners hijacked on 9/11/2001 .....
wrap your head around that!

"minimum 0f 30min to prep and arm interceptors"

OK, from the moment that it was known "AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK"
was anyone busy actually working on getting an aircraft armed and ready to intercept?

 

[n0spam4me]

was 9/11 a controlled demolition?

no .no evidence of explosives or accelerants were found.
if you are actually doing a paper or report ,then remember speculation is not fact.
the crapspiracy theorists you are talking to on this thread can't tell the difference.
if you're bullshiting it's a totally weak performance.

please be so kind as to trot out the DOCUMENT that states explosives were looked for and by what means and what sampling technique & how many samples were tested.
I really wanna know. where is it?

do your own homework there are hundreds of links to that info on this site alone.

My homework is just to talk to others about this. Get different views! I want different views I'm not sure on how much or what I believe is to be all true..

If that were true you would simply read any or all of the many threads here in the CONSPIRACY THEORY section of USMB to find what people have said and - at least for the non-CTs - how they came to their conclusions. Instead you have injected yourself into the fray with a preconceived CT bias and as you already stated "I'm aware we will probably never find the answer we want." Since you speak only for yourself here, what you obviously meant was never find the answer YOU want. Perhaps you'd be better served by finding the truth.

May I be so bold as to ask what is YOUR opinion of the real truth
that is the real explanation of what happened on 9/11/2001?

 

[9/11ICONN]

no .no evidence of explosives or accelerants were found.
if you are actually doing a paper or report ,then remember speculation is not fact.
the crapspiracy theorists you are talking to on this thread can't tell the difference.
if you're bullshiting it's a totally weak performance.

please be so kind as to trot out the DOCUMENT that states explosives were looked for and by what means and what sampling technique & how many samples were tested.
I really wanna know. where is it?

do your own homework there are hundreds of links to that info on this site alone.

My homework is just to talk to others about this. Get different views! I want different views I'm not sure on how much or what I believe is to be all true..

If that were true you would simply read any or all of the many threads here in the CONSPIRACY THEORY section of USMB to find what people have said and - at least for the non-CTs - how they came to their conclusions. Instead you have injected yourself into the fray with a preconceived CT bias and as you already stated "I'm aware we will probably never find the answer we want." Since you speak only for yourself here, what you obviously meant was never find the answer YOU want. Perhaps you'd be better served by finding the truth.

May I be so bold as to ask what is YOUR opinion of the real truth
that is the real explanation of what happened on 9/11/2001?

I'm not sure there is a specific amswer I am looking for...and your right when I said that I meant for each of us... Not to find one exact answer for all of is...have you found your answer? I think most of us can agree there is more than what has been told...

 

[Penelope]

Someone just stated something about the "Samson Option" and I goggled it. I have wondered for so what the stronghold Israel has the Us is about, I mean all the politicians , we turn our closed eye to everything they do, they are above global laws, and I think I'm beginning to see much more clearly.

I don't think its because they are our ally, I think we are afraid.

 

[Capstone]

The political problems in the United States run deeper than the Zionist aspect that's inextricably linked to the unconscionable profiteering of the Military Industrial Complex, and are really expressions of a novel twist on the precepts of WW2-era fascists. Instead of a strong Nationalist Socialism in which the dictatorial government sought to assume (or publicize) the roles of major corporations (ala Hitler's Germany and Mussilini's Italy), we have a weak form of national socialism in which a few corporate conglomerates have, for all intents and purposes, seized control of the government and have been actively working to privatize (or end) as many public-sector programs as possible, all in the interest of a global corporatist agenda. These two forms of fascism are extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum, but the common thread between them was/is the political disenfranchisement of the many in favor of the ever-increasing power of the few (or the one, as was the case with Hitler, et al).

Yes, Penelope, Israel is a crucial pawn on the geopolitical chess board, and its lobbyist groups have exercised disproportionate leverage over US policy-making (both foreign and domestic) for far too long, but that's not an indictment of Jewish People in general; it's an indictment of Zionists, the overwhelming majority of which are non-Jews!

 

[Penelope]

The political problems in the United States run deeper than the Zionist aspect that's inextricably linked to the unconscionable profiteering of the Military Industrial Complex, and are really expressions of a novel twist on the precepts of WW2-era fascists. Instead of a strong Nationalist Socialism in which the dictatorial government sought to assume (or publicize) the roles of major corporations (ala Hitler's Germany and Mussilini's Italy), we have a weak form of national socialism in which a few corporate conglomerates have, for all intents and purposes, seized control of the government and have been actively working to privatize (or end) as many public-sector programs as possible, all in the interest of a global corporatist agenda. These two forms of fascism are extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum, but the common thread between them was/is the political disenfranchisement of the many in favor of the ever-increasing power of the few (or the one, as was the case with Hitler, et al).

Yes, Penelope, Israel is a crucial pawn on the geopolitical chess board, and its lobbyist groups have exercised disproportionate leverage over US policy-making (both foreign and domestic) for far too long, but that's not an indictment of Jewish People in general; it's an indictment of Zionists, the overwhelming majority of which are non-Jews!

Who are Jews? Yes I also agree we have our own power hungry people, and no not all Jews are Zionist, that is correct, but the maj. are are Jews, and we really don 't know if others are really Zionist or go along do we. I often wonder about Germany, and why she seems to have no backbone at all when it comes to Israel, well, as I find it funny as one would think enough would seem to be enough, but now she sold them subs under costs. They have controlled the Fed Reserve the last 30 years. What right now 3 Supreme Court Judges are Jewish? Pres. of ACLU. Goes on and one. (I have nothing against ordinary Jewish people)

 

[Capstone]

...not all Jews are Zionist, that is correct, but the maj. are are Jews, and we really don 't know if others are really Zionist or go along do we. ...

Specific knowledge as to the ethnicity or religious affiliations of people who support Zionism is irrelevant to the principle of denouncing them on the basis of their collective ideology ...NOT their respective ethnic categories. You need to let that sink in.

...They have controlled the Fed Reserve the last 30 years. ...

There's no need to acknowledge (much less affirm) the racist implications of your use of "they", in order for me to denounce the actions of the Federal Reserve throughout its history. The results of those actions speak for themselves. The common ethnicity of many of the actors is completely irrelevant to a non-biased assessment of that central bank's effectiveness and equability (or lack thereof) as sole proprietor of our nation's monetary system for the past 100+ years.

...What right now 3 Supreme Court Judges are Jewish? Pres. of ACLU. Goes on and one. (I have nothing against ordinary Jewish people.

There again, the decisions and actions of those individuals are open game for public scrutiny, without the need to descend to race-based bigotry that does nothing but paint the descender in a negative light.

 

[Penelope]

Well if the shoe fits , it fits. There is no sense in denying the obvious, and what this has to do with race is beyond me, I see the Zionist the same as I see the radical Muslims , and neocons In our gov. I just can see who is pulling the strings. Its who people are not allowed to question, its calling everyone a anti-Semitic is you disagree with them, its being called a terrorist is you are not pro Israel.

 

[Capstone]

...I see the Zionist the same as I see the radical Muslims , and neocons In our gov. ..

The problem is that you keep calling them "Jews", when the vast majority of Zionists at home and abroad are evangelical Christians.

...I just can see who is pulling the strings. Its who people are not allowed to question, its calling everyone a anti-Semitic ...

But you only validate such criticism by focusing on the "Jewishness" (yes, there's a racial/ethnic factor in play there) of those you perceive as the "string pullers", instead of denouncing them on the basis of their actions and/or ideologies.

 

[daws101]

Not my fault if some people refuse to engage in dialog on the subject.
fact is .... there were no airliners hijacked on 9/11/2001 .....
wrap your head around that!

"minimum 0f 30min to prep and arm interceptors"

OK, from the moment that it was known "AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK"
was anyone busy actually working on getting an aircraft armed and ready to intercept?

"there were no airliners hijacked on 9/11/2001 .....spammy.
the previous quote is smoking gun evidence of delusional denial
the poster is attempting to prove a negative..
2. yes they're were but it makes no difference because by the time they got the order to launch it was all over...