Another Undeclared, Unconstitutional War

[Meister]

Is that a sufficient justification for state sponsored terrorist actions against Iranian scientists?

I repeat:

Iran makes a claim. There is no independent verification or corroborating evidence. But because it makes America look bad, you immediately and unquestioningly believe it.

I said no such thing. I'm asking you the question based on your claim.

I think Iran would do it in a heartbeat against Israel. With all the threats, it would be one logical step with plausible denial by Iran.

 

[Meister]

Is that a sufficient justification for state sponsored terrorist actions against Iranian scientists?

So you have the proof that the US or Israel was behind the assination of the scientists. Good, let's see it, I've been looking.

For all I know, it could have been some homegrown Iranians that had enough of the regime.

I'm am asking whether or not what daveman says justifies assassinating Iranian scientists. It's a principle question; it is irrelevant who actually killed the scientists.

We have no clue right now who killed the scientists. Let's keep the what is, what is, in this discussion and not a conspiracy theory discussion.

 

[merrill]

We can use nuke weapons in Iraq yet Iran should not have the option...

This is CIA style...

WTF?

WE use DU weapons in Iraq which effectively poisons the earth. There will be a ton of cancers in a few years in Iraq from DU poisonng

The DU dust impacts the USA soldiers which will result in a ton of cancer victims in a few years.

Developing a nuke weapon in Iran is different from having it done in Pakistan and India
and Israel?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You know you do it. Anyone who cares to investigate it will know also.

You're a lying little anti-semite.

Can one disagree with or criticize Israeli foreign policy, or the U.S.'s relationship with Israel, without being anti-semitic?

Can one oppose Zionism without being anti-semitic?

Many Americans have been brain washed into thinking that Israel is our 51st state.

And that we must defend Israel to the last American citizen.

I have read the U.S. Constitution and there is nothing about the U.S.A. being obligated to helping to defend or support that terrorist, apartheid abortion called Israel.

They should start by watching this:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98]The Israel Lobby (Marije Meerman, VPRO Backlight 2007) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Considering the US/Israel are heating up diplomatic/economic sanctions due to the threat that Iran is potentially seeking nuclear arms (a rather flimsy case based on evidence), it is not a far stone throw to bet Mossad, or the CIA are involved in this covert operation. We've done these types of things to them in the past.

 

[Meister]

We can use nuke weapons in Iraq yet Iran should not have the option...

This is CIA style...

WTF?

WE use DU weapons in Iraq which effectively poisons the earth. There will be a ton of cancers in a few years in Iraq from DU poisonng

The DU dust impacts the USA soldiers which will result in a ton of cancer victims in a few years.

Developing a nuke weapon in Iran is different from having it done in Pakistan and India
and Israel?

We used DU in Iraq......you know this how? By the left wing anti war blogs you go to?
Yes, having Iran with nuclear weapons is worse than the others having it because they would use it or have someone else use it for their benefit. They have threatened Israel time after time. Pakistan is a danger also, no doubt about that, but that ship has already sailed. IMO we can't let these rogue nations begin to go to the next level with nuclear weapons.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I repeat:

Iran makes a claim. There is no independent verification or corroborating evidence. But because it makes America look bad, you immediately and unquestioningly believe it.

I said no such thing. I'm asking you the question based on your claim.

I think Iran would do it in a heartbeat against Israel. With all the threats, it would be one logical step with plausible denial by Iran.

Oh, ok, you can discuss hypotheticals, but I can't.

jeezus

 

[Meister]

Considering the US/Israel are heating up diplomatic/economic sanctions due to the threat that Iran is potentially seeking nuclear arms (a rather flimsy case based on evidence), it is not a far stone throw to bet Mossad, or the CIA are involved in this covert operation. We've done these types of things to them in the past.

I agree, but....let's have the evidence of a smoking gun, instead of the assumptions.

 

[Meister]

I said no such thing. I'm asking you the question based on your claim.

I think Iran would do it in a heartbeat against Israel. With all the threats, it would be one logical step with plausible denial by Iran.

Oh, ok, you can discuss hypotheticals, but I can't.

jeezus

agreed

 

[freedombecki]

Assassinating Scientists is going to far.

Mr. Sallow. Take a deep breath. Who is claiming the holocaust is a myth? Hint: he's the fella in Iran who said he didn't say he wanted to erase Israel off the face of the map, but "did not say it" no less than 15 times to his Arab brothers. As a young man, he also is pictured holding Americans hostage with an AK-47 in his hands during the Carter administration when terrorists hijacked and took Americans hostage in Tehran, where the hijacked plane was welcomed. I think he goes by the name of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and is now President of Iran, so people listen more attentively to his bullshit or are hanged in public after a due amount of humiliation and pain. American hostages dispute Ahmadinejad's denial of holding them hostage and so did former President of Iran.

Are you sure you want to go along with Iran's latest bs scenario that creates America into bad guys and themselves entitled angels who get 72 virgins apiece as a reward for mayhem and murder of non-muslims who are not warm in particular to the khomeini?

I hope you adjust your thinking just a little bit, considering how Ahmadinejad ordered super IEDs on American troops when the Congress ordered $400,000 upgrades on the metal in troop Humvees that should have protected them better, but failed when Ahmadinejad figured out a more sophisticated way to hurt Americans with his bad boy friends in certain old Axis countries of WWII who cling to hatred of America for sloughing off the Nazi crimes against humanity.

I think if you thought of those same facts all at once, you'd realize the real enemy of America is the one who took out their own scientists as a huge publicity stunt to slant public favor in their direction. Maybe he did just a little false witnessing?

Not sure if you are really up on your history..Ms. Becki. You know about Operation Ajax?

Ajax the foaming cleanser? Tell me more.

 

[WatertheTree]

Well, if Iran says it, it must be true. They've never lied to the world before, nope, they haven't.

Good grief.

The united states has a long history of this sort of activity throughout the world. It has all been well documented. Just because it doesnt exist on the glowing box does not mean it never happened.

Read a book now and then.

Nor does it mean it did happen.... and yet you seem remarkably enthusiastic to believe it. For the record, if we were involved, I have no real problem with it. However, given the current POTUS, I very much doubt it happened.

One of the main reasons why Libertarians can never hold the Presidency.... they are bordering on dangerously naive when it comes to international affairs.

Clearly your knowledge comes from the school of 'cause I say so'.

Clearly you have not been paying attention to what the socialist dictator has been doing around the globe for the last three years, or you would not make such absurd claims.

Clearly your real problem is the disdain you have for the constitution and the rule of law. In a free Republic military action is not dictated from 1 man. When did you start to hate freedom?

 

[WatertheTree]

With the war in Iraq over and Afghanistan a grinding stalemate, the American Empire needs a fresh war to keep Americans afraid and in line – and the neo-cons are playing their role perfectly: whether it’s communists or Iranians, they beat the drums of war.

This is the truth. Now admit that Obama and most of the Democrats are neocon shit stains in a toddlers underpants and we might actually be on to something.

 

[kaz]

There is no country on the planet that challenge the US militarily either conventionally or with Nuclear weapons.

A nuclear armed Iran..is much less a threat to the US then a nuclear armed Pakistan or North Korea.

Iran has a long history of aiding terrorists. Do you really think the idea of giving terrorists a warhead hasn't occurred to them?

Is that a sufficient justification for state sponsored terrorist actions against Iranian scientists?

Yet another liberal who can't Google what terrorism means. Even if it's true, it wasn't done to cause terror but to stop Iran from making a nuclear bomb, or at least slow them down. Regardless of your position on that, it's not "terrorism." Once liberals like the sound of a word, they force it into every conversation.

 

[daveman]

There is no country on the planet that challenge the US militarily either conventionally or with Nuclear weapons.

A nuclear armed Iran..is much less a threat to the US then a nuclear armed Pakistan or North Korea.

Iran has a long history of aiding terrorists. Do you really think the idea of giving terrorists a warhead hasn't occurred to them?

What's your point? So does the United States. Add in..the US has invaded or had some deterimental effect to almost every country on the planet..and has actually used atomics against a civilian population.

Pakistan and North Korea are much less stable then Iran. Far as I know..no one has given terrorists nuclear material. And actually...it's been countries that were part of the former Soviet Union that's engaged in that nonsense. But thanks to joint efforts by American ( Which, by the way, Conservatives want to defund ) and Russian agencies..those attempts were thwarted.

So, the lesson to be learned here is:

America sucks.

 

[daveman]

We can use nuke weapons in Iraq yet Iran should not have the option...

This is CIA style...

We did not use nuclear weapons in Iraq. Don't be stupid, unless, as I suspect, you simply can't help it.

 

[kaz]

Many Americans have been brain washed into thinking that Israel is our 51st state

No, actually not. Israel supporters actually think we're doing them a solid. It's not our responsibility but we're doing it because they are under constant attack from Islamic terrorists and cowards who shoot...rockets...at them to murder innocent Israeli civilians. Then they hide using their own civilians as shields because they are cowards as well.

But many people have been brainwashed into believing that anyone who thinks Israel should not be destroyed is brainwashed into thinking they are our 51st State. That's you, btw, since you don't seem too bright. Then again few bigots are, which typically has a lot to do with their bigotry. They are losers who can't look down on people for merit, so they do it with their race, religion, etc. You and Joe could be good friends, he hates Mormons like you hate Jews.

And that we must defend Israel to the last American citizen.

You're so full of shit. No one thinks that.

I have read the U.S. Constitution and there is nothing about the U.S.A. being obligated to helping to defend or support that terrorist, apartheid abortion called Israel.

The abortion are people like you who can only obsess with murdering every Jew even though the Islamic world spans across Asia and Israel is a little corner of it. And you showed from our prior conversation who the liar is. You, Adolph. I nailed that one.

 

[daveman]

Is that a sufficient justification for state sponsored terrorist actions against Iranian scientists?

I repeat:

Iran makes a claim. There is no independent verification or corroborating evidence. But because it makes America look bad, you immediately and unquestioningly believe it.

I said no such thing. I'm asking you the question based on your claim.

You're operating under the assumption that Iran's claim is true.

I doubt it is. Iran lies. All the time.

 

[daveman]

We can use nuke weapons in Iraq yet Iran should not have the option...

This is CIA style...

WTF?

WE use DU weapons in Iraq which effectively poisons the earth. There will be a ton of cancers in a few years in Iraq from DU poisonng

The DU dust impacts the USA soldiers which will result in a ton of cancer victims in a few years.

Developing a nuke weapon in Iran is different from having it done in Pakistan and India
and Israel?

Despite what you read on DU, DU is not a nuclear or radiological weapon.

 

[daveman]

WTF?

WE use DU weapons in Iraq which effectively poisons the earth. There will be a ton of cancers in a few years in Iraq from DU poisonng

The DU dust impacts the USA soldiers which will result in a ton of cancer victims in a few years.

Developing a nuke weapon in Iran is different from having it done in Pakistan and India
and Israel?

We used DU in Iraq......you know this how? By the left wing anti war blogs you go to?
Yes, having Iran with nuclear weapons is worse than the others having it because they would use it or have someone else use it for their benefit. They have threatened Israel time after time. Pakistan is a danger also, no doubt about that, but that ship has already sailed. IMO we can't let these rogue nations begin to go to the next level with nuclear weapons.

Yes, we used DU in Iraq. It's used in armor-piercing tank and 30mm Vulcan cannon rounds.

It is not a radiological hazard.

 

[daveman]

Iran has a long history of aiding terrorists. Do you really think the idea of giving terrorists a warhead hasn't occurred to them?

Is that a sufficient justification for state sponsored terrorist actions against Iranian scientists?

Yet another liberal who can't Google what terrorism means. Even if it's true, it wasn't done to cause terror but to stop Iran from making a nuclear bomb, or at least slow them down. Regardless of your position on that, it's not "terrorism." Once liberals like the sound of a word, they force it into every conversation.

The CIA probably "tortured" the guy, too.